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Posted by Sprue-ce Goose on Sunday, February 5, 2012 12:27 PM

Mikeym_us

which HMS Bounty Warshipguy? the HMS Bounty from the 1950's Marlon Brando Mutiny on the Bounty or the 1970's Mel Gibson Mutiny on the Bounty? I hear the Bounty from Mel Gibson's Mutiny on the Bounty was more accurate.

Bill

I'd like to know how the 1930s movie Mutiny on the Bounty compares to the other movie versions.

I have a photo copy of an old set of blueprints ( for a contest ) of the ship produced for the Clark Gable movie.

What source has surviving information about the actual ship so I can compare with my blueprints?

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Posted by Mikeym_us on Sunday, February 5, 2012 4:33 PM

maybe the Royal navy has some idea.

On the workbench: Dragon 1/350 scale Ticonderoga class USS BunkerHill 1/720 scale Italeri USS Harry S. Truman 1/72 scale Encore Yak-6

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Posted by CapnMac82 on Sunday, February 5, 2012 5:59 PM

My library is in storage, but I believe Anatomy of the Ship volume on Bounty  covers some of the differences in the last two ships built/used for MotB movies.

Not that I can leaf through my copy and summarize them, sadly.

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Posted by Sprue-ce Goose on Sunday, February 5, 2012 6:19 PM

CapnMac82

My library is in storage, but I believe Anatomy of the Ship volume on Bounty  covers some of the differences in the last two ships built/used for MotB movies.

I was unaware a book had been issued about the HMS Bounty..

I have the Anatomy of the Ship publication on the USS Constitution but the dust jacket did not list HMS Bounty.

I will check on-line for further information.

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Posted by Sprue-ce Goose on Sunday, February 5, 2012 6:21 PM

Mikeym_us

maybe the Royal navy has some idea.

Hopefully, recent budget cutbacks didn't prompt the Admiralty to toss out their archives.

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Posted by 1943Mike on Sunday, February 5, 2012 9:32 PM

I believe CapnMac82 is referring to this book:

http://www.amazon.com/Armed-Transport-Bounty-Anatomy-Ship/dp/0851778933

1943Mike

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Posted by GeneK on Sunday, February 5, 2012 9:39 PM

Sprue-ce Goose

 CapnMac82:

My library is in storage, but I believe Anatomy of the Ship volume on Bounty  covers some of the differences in the last two ships built/used for MotB movies.

 

I was unaware a book had been issued about the HMS Bounty..

I have the Anatomy of the Ship publication on the USS Constitution but the dust jacket did not list HMS Bounty.

I will check on-line for further information.

 

 I have the "Anatomy of the Ship" book on Bounty, and it is by far the best source I've seen. It's based on the two Admiralty drafts made when it was purchased. There is some info on the last two hollywood ships, but it isn't really specific about all the differences, and doesn't mention the 1930s version. Also don't forget that Bligh made changes both before leaving and during the voyage.

 

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Posted by Sprue-ce Goose on Sunday, February 5, 2012 10:18 PM

Thanks for the info on that book on HMS Bounty ! Big Smile

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Posted by warshipguy on Monday, February 6, 2012 8:26 AM

The problem with those re-releases is that they are the same tired old kits that most of us already have in our collections!  I will not keep buying HMS Victory over and over again just to boost their sales numbers.  I want something new!  Thanks to Revell, we seem to get a new sailing ship every now and then.  Given that Revell seems to be making model kits of the several museum replicas around the world, I cannot wait to see what happens when the Dutch finish their rebuild of De Zeven Provencien.  Perhaps Revell will make a kit of that!

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Posted by RedCorvette on Monday, February 6, 2012 8:48 AM

nfafan

Yes, I'd buy into a 1/96th frigate Constellation, the Essex, a USS Niagara. But... 1/96th is great for detail - bad for display space. To this end I'd opt for 1/196th to match the current Revell pop of the 1955-vintage Constitution.

I agree in terms of display space.  Would be great to have a 1/196 Guerriere, Java, Cyane, & Levant to display alongside the Constitution.  Maybe even do a reasonably-sized diorama.

Back to 1/96 scale (and going in a completely different direction subject-wise), I'd like to see models of contemporary America's Cup yachts, especially some of the classic 12 meter boats. 

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Posted by Grymm on Monday, February 6, 2012 5:25 PM

There are many kits that could be reproduced.  The problem is too many hands in the cookie jar.  Too many people want their share of money.  Let's take HMS Surprise.  Say Revell decides to take on the project of making a 1/96 Surprise.  Aside the cost of designing and creating the molds, the first people to come after their share would be the author/publisher, etc of the book.  Revell must have their permission to create the kit.  Then, if Revell is going to use the movie as a reference, they not only have to worry about having to pay the maker of the movie, but the owner of the actual ship could (and note I said COULD, nothing is truly known) demand their own share of the pot. 

This may have been a reason Zvezda had to change their Black Pearl model kit to the Black Swan.  Disney charging too much for license.  Zvezda wouldn't pay, then got a cease and desist.   That's my suspicion anyway.  So Revell simply rehashes their old molds, adding something to make them "new" again.  For Revell, or most of the other major model manufacturers, it's not about offering cool, incredible kits.  It's about the all mighty dollar.  It's about "how do we make the most money off of kit without spending a lot."  So Revell either rehashes old kits or they license another manufacturer's kit.  The 1/350 Wasp kit is a perfect example.  Revell didn't make it.  Revell simply bought the rights to slap their name on it. 

It would be nice to see some new 1/96 kits.  Personally, instead of specific historical ships, I would like to see an "example" of a typical ship of it's type.  A nice Brig, a beautiful Sloop or Cutter, and then the 2 and 3 deck ships of the line, each with options to make them a specific ship.  If I had to name a ship, then I would most certainly like to see the USS Pennyslyvania.  A beautiful vessel.

But, I doubt we'll see anything antime soon...but it is nice to talk about...

 

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Posted by BashMonkey on Monday, February 6, 2012 5:49 PM

A  1/96 Pruessen or Peking would be bigger than my hobby room! but I like the idea of something smaller like the yacht 'America' or the topsail schooner 'Pride of Baltimore' would be nice in that scale.

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Posted by warshipguy on Tuesday, February 7, 2012 10:05 AM

I'm not sure if the publishers could lay any claim to a kit of HMS Surprise . . . she was a real warship.  If the company limited their efforts to the real ship, the publishers have no claim.  I wonder how Mamoli got around this issue; I have that HECEPOB kit that I bought at an extremely good price (under $100.00)!  Oh well . . . a new 1/96 scale kit would be nice Bang Head

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Posted by jtilley on Wednesday, February 8, 2012 11:49 AM

GeneK

 

 Sprue-ce Goose:

 

 

 CapnMac82:

My library is in storage, but I believe Anatomy of the Ship volume on Bounty  covers some of the differences in the last two ships built/used for MotB movies.

 

 

I was unaware a book had been issued about the HMS Bounty..

I have the Anatomy of the Ship publication on the USS Constitution but the dust jacket did not list HMS Bounty.

I will check on-line for further information.

 

 

 

 I have the "Anatomy of the Ship" book on Bounty, and it is by far the best source I've seen. It's based on the two Admiralty drafts made when it was purchased. There is some info on the last two hollywood ships, but it isn't really specific about all the differences, and doesn't mention the 1930s version. Also don't forget that Bligh made changes both before leaving and during the voyage.

 

We've had quite a few Forum discussions about the Bounty.  I think I can claim to be fairly knowledgeable about the subject; back in the late seventies, when I was working on a model of her (based on the old Revell kit) I read everything I could get my hands on about her.  Here's a link to one of those earlier Forum threads:

/forums/t/106424.aspx?PageIndex=1

Bottom line:  So far as I know, every Bounty kit (with the possible exception of the wood one from Calder/Jotika) has serious problems.  The Revell version is arguably the best of the plastic batch, but turning it into a serious scale model involves a lot of work.  I'm not a fan of the Airfix kit (which wasn't available when I built my little model).  In all honesty, if (heaven forbid) I were to build another model of this ship, I'd almost certainly build it from scratch.  If I'd built my little Revell-originating model from scratch I probably would have finished sooner.

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Posted by stoney on Wednesday, February 8, 2012 6:34 PM

 

Great thread, so in day dreaming:

Ships I would like to see, 1/96th if possible, would be the 'Golden Hind' or any Tudor era ship.

A nice RN or French '74 would be great as would a large great lakes schooner.

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Posted by jtilley on Thursday, February 9, 2012 10:57 AM

stoney

 

Great thread, so in day dreaming:

Ships I would like to see, 1/96th if possible, would be the 'Golden Hind' or any Tudor era ship.

A nice RN or French '74 would be great as would a large great lakes schooner.

My list would include at least one British or French ship of the line (other than the Victory), an American sailing warship (preferably from the Revolutionary War), a whaler, and an American clipper ship (there's never been one on such a large scale other than the ancient Marx/Lindberg Sea Witch). 

Back in the 1960s Revell made a very, very nice model of the Golden Hind on 1/96 scale.  It was apparently based on research done by a German modeler in the 1940s, and several features of it have raised some eyebrows recently in light of more recent research.  But so little is known for certain about that ship that, in my personal opinion, the kit is still very much worth building.  I'm pretty certain that the kit currently being marketed by Heller is the same kit (here's a link:  http://www.squadron.com/ItemDetails.asp?item=HR80829 ), though somebody's messed up the scale statement.  (I base that opinion on the box art and the stated dimensions; I haven't seen it "in the flesh.")

Airfix also makes a Golden Hind, in the larger scale of 1/72.  (Link:  http://www.airfix.com/airfix-products/ships/classic-ships/a50046-golden-hind-gift-set-a50046/ )  I'm afraid I haven't seen it either, but it was one of the last sailing ships Airfix did - and those were generally pretty good.  (Exception:  the Bounty.  Airfix's rendition of that ship, released in the midst of the financial troubles that almost made the firm go out of business, is in my opinion inferior in many ways to the ancient Revell one.)

Warshipguy is right about H.M.S. Surprise.  Since that ship actually existed, there's no way O'Brian's publishers or the movie companies could claim royalties on an accurate model of her.  Three European companies in fact offer wood kits of her.  I haven's seen any of them in the flesh, but on the basis of photos I wouldn't recommend the Mamoli or Artesania Latina version; they appear to be standard HECEPOB stuff.  (That's Hideously Expensive Continental European Plank On Bulkhead.)  The one from Calder/Jotika, on the other hand, appears to be outstanding - though it's priced way out of my range.

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Posted by warshipguy on Thursday, February 9, 2012 12:02 PM

By the way, WELCOME BACK, John!

I actually have the Revell and the Heller Golden Hind.  Comparing them side-by-side indicates that they are from the same molds.  The kit backs up my previous statement concerning Revell and museum ships . . . I had the privilege of visiting the replica of Golden Hind in London. It appeared much the same as the kit. That makes the score as follows:

Revell                                                      Museum ship/Replica

USS Constitution                                   Yes

HMS Victory                                             Yes

HMAV Bounty                                          Yes

Wasa                                                       Yes

Gokstad Viking Ship                             Yes

Charles Morgan                                     Yes

Alexander Humbolt                                Yes

Golden Hind                                            Yes

Mayflower                                                 Yes

Batavia                                                      Yes

dom Fernando e Gloria                         Yes 

USCG Eagle                                            Yes

Cutty Sark                                                 Yes

Thermopylae                                            No

Alabama                                                   No

Kearsarge                                                No

Spanish and English Galleons           No

Beagle                                                      No

The most recent releases each are models of existing replicas or museum ships.  I believe that I see a trend.  Given the current constructions of de Zeven Provencien and a French frigate, I am guardedly hopeful for at least  two more sailing ship kits!

Bill

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Posted by stoney on Thursday, February 9, 2012 4:26 PM

Thanks jtilley. I no idea that Hind was still available. I'm off to get it now.

How about the "Stad Amsterdam"? Just a painfully beautiful ship that's there to measure up for a kit.

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Posted by crackers on Thursday, February 9, 2012 10:22 PM

On the Forum, I have read so many postings on how folks are unhappy over the fact that kits are not available of the model of their desire. It will never happen. Get over it ! The only solution to this dilemma is to scratchbuild your own. Buy plans and do the research. One will have a sense of pride at the completion of your own handiwork. I suppose my opinion is only worthy of a finger gesture from MIA  during Superbowl halftime, but I call it the way I see it.

Montani semper liberi.  Happy modeling to all and every one of you. 

                                           Crackers                  Geeked

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Posted by warshipguy on Friday, February 10, 2012 8:08 AM

If we all accepted that point of view, no change will ever happen!  I will keep lobbying for more sailing ship kits until I die.   Not all of us have the time or the skills to scratchbuild, nor do we necessaarily have the inclination.  And, Revell has been releasing new ship models periodically. Crackers, I am glad that you have the skills and the time; I certainly do not have the latter.

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Posted by crackers on Friday, February 10, 2012 11:58 AM

No offense ment, Bill (warshipguy) but living in a world of reality, I do not foresee any inroduction of new kits. I applaud your efforts to have manufacturers introduce new kits, instead of the same old tired examples and faux pirate ships. Sorry to say, with all due respects to you, I believe your noble efforts are a daydream.

Yes, Being retired (not retarded), I do have the time and ability to scatchbuild, as in the above example of the British revenue cutter, DILIGENCE. This model is more advanced in construction at the moment, ready for masting, rigging and sails. I'd be dead, buried and pushing up daisies before a kit like this would be introduced to the modeling public.

Montani semper liberi. Happy modeling to all and every one of you.

                   Crackers               Geeked

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Posted by warshipguy on Friday, February 10, 2012 1:58 PM

Crackers,

No offense taken!  I respect and admire your scratch building efforts.  It just isn't for everybody given a variety of considerations.  I wish I had more time for it; I downloaded Model Shipyard's plans for the British Frigate HMS Cleopatra and have accumulated some materials for it in 1/96 scale, but time constraints have put a halt to that effort for awhile.

I recently bought Revell's new Wasa and was reasonsbly impressed, although I prefer 1/96 scale. One can  only dream and try to change the world.

Bill

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Posted by crackers on Friday, February 10, 2012 2:27 PM

Thanks Bill for you comments. I turned to scratchbuilding after being fedup with the poverty of kits on the market. It gets boring with the predictable parade of CONSTITUTIONS, VICTORIES,  and phony pirate ships.

Actually, you should try scratchbuilding. I'm sure FSM and others have examples of scratchbuilders. There are planty of instruction books in the market, if you care to do the research. I built my first on the plans and book by Harold Hahn. I too, did not think it would be possible for me to scratchbuild. You never know unless you try.

Montani semper liberi.  Happy modeling to all and every one of you.

                                 Crackers            Geeked

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Posted by Mikeym_us on Friday, February 10, 2012 3:48 PM

I know the list you have is of "Sailing vessels" But on the Revell Museum ship front you forgot to add USS Olympia to the list since the Olympia is a Museum ship.

I once got to see the 1970's replica of the Bounty back in the summer of 06 while I was at work at the St. Mary's Falls canal station (Soo Locks) (I'm still working there). It was pure chance that I saw it as it was about to lock out and I didn't realise it was the Bounty until I saw the name plates on the bow.

BTW there is no 1930's 1/1 scale Replica of the Bounty as all the ship scenes would have been done in a sound stage and would have also used a model of the Bounty to film the exterior view of the ship.

warshipguy

By the way, WELCOME BACK, John!

I actually have the Revell and the Heller Golden Hind.  Comparing them side-by-side indicates that they are from the same molds.  The kit backs up my previous statement concerning Revell and museum ships . . . I had the privilege of visiting the replica of Golden Hind in London. It appeared much the same as the kit. That makes the score as follows:

Revell                                                      Museum ship/Replica

USS Constitution                                   Yes

HMS Victory                                             Yes

HMAV Bounty                                          Yes

Wasa                                                       Yes

Gokstad Viking Ship                             Yes

Charles Morgan                                     Yes

Alexander Humbolt                                Yes

Golden Hind                                            Yes

Mayflower                                                 Yes

Batavia                                                      Yes

dom Fernando e Gloria                         Yes 

USCG Eagle                                            Yes

Cutty Sark                                                 Yes

Thermopylae                                            No

Alabama                                                   No

Kearsarge                                                No

Spanish and English Galleons           No

Beagle                                                      No

The most recent releases each are models of existing replicas or museum ships.  I believe that I see a trend.  Given the current constructions of de Zeven Provencien and a French frigate, I am guardedly hopeful for at least  two more sailing ship kits!

Bill

On the workbench: Dragon 1/350 scale Ticonderoga class USS BunkerHill 1/720 scale Italeri USS Harry S. Truman 1/72 scale Encore Yak-6

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Posted by stoney on Friday, February 10, 2012 6:05 PM

Nothing to "get over" crackers. It was just daydreaming after all. I still do it all the time, even as an old man now. If I ever stop daydreaming, then I might as well give up and start collecting die casts. 

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Posted by crackers on Friday, February 10, 2012 10:19 PM

It's alright to daydream. I do it myself at times. It's a harmless pursuit. It's daydreaming about the things that will never happen that's frustrating.

  Montani semper liberi.  Happy modeling to all and every one of you.

                                  Crackers                         Geeked

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Posted by jtilley on Saturday, February 11, 2012 1:08 PM

A couple of things have come up recently in this thread that I'd like to throw in my two cents' worth about.

There have in fact been three "full-size" Hollywood replicas of the Bounty.  The one in the 1936 movie with Charles Laughton and Clark Gable was heavily modified from an old schooner; it looked quite impressive in the distance shots, but the closer views made it clear that,  in comparison with the Admiralty draughts, much of the deck furniture was wrong.  MGM published a set of plans, intended for model builders; I bought a set many years ago through Bluejacket.  In terms of historical accuracy they're just about worthless.

The 1950s version, for the movie with Marlon Brando and Trevor Howard, was built from the keel up in Nova Scotia, with a great deal of publicity.  (I have a DVD of the movie; it includes a short subject about the replica ship, which, if I remember right, made a cruise along both U.S. coasts promoting the movie.)  It's turned up in several other movies, including the Charlton Heston version of Treasure Island and, I think, at least one of the "Pirates of the Caribbean" flicks.  It was built more-or-less to the lines shown in the Admiralty draughts, but about twenty feet longer than the original (to accommodate the Cinemascope cameras and Mr. Brando's ego).  I think it may still be afloat; the last I heard of it was when my parents went on board it in Florida - but, come to think of it, that was about thirty years ago.  Like the 1936 version, it looks really impressive from a distance but lots of the details are inaccurate - including almost every piece of gear on the main deck.  And for some reason or other the hull is painted blue.  There's no historical justification for that (though I can't prove the original wasn't painted blue), but lots of drawings, models, and paintings made after that movie came out have had blue hulls.

For the Anthony Hopkins/Mel Gibson movie (which I believe was released in 1984), the producers built yet another replica.  This time they stuck pretty close to reality (and gave it a sensible color scheme) - but they used the wrong plans.  (As I explained in the thread for which I provided a link earlier in this one, there are two sets of Admiralty draughts for the Bounty.  One shows her in, apparently, the configuration she was in when the Royal Navy bought her; the other shows the modifications that were made before she sailed for the Pacific.  There are quite a few differences, some of them - e.g., the little deckhouse on the quarterdeck - being pretty conspicuous.  The replica ship seems to have been based on the first draught.  Strong hint:  in one scene Anthony Hopkins is sitting in his cabin with a copy of the first draught hanging on a bulkhead behind him.)  Nonetheless, of the three replicas this is by far the most realistic.  As I understand it, it was built to a tight budget with the understanding that it wasn't expected to last long.  It did turn up in at least one other film - the TBS mini-series about Captain Cook.  I have no idea where it is now, if anywhere.  The last I heard of it was a long time ago when I was in San Diego.  There was an item in the local paper to the effect that the ship had tied up in the harbor but had been seized by the DEA, due to evidence that there were illegal drugs on board.  I didn't hear anything more about that.

All three movies pretty conspicuously made use of models in some scenes - when the ship was rounding Cape Horn (though the first film didn't show that), and when she was run aground and burned on Pitcairn Island.  But most of the shots are of real ships.

Regarding scratchbuilding vs. kits - I've done both, and I can't argue with anybody who claims there's more satisfaction (and, obviously, a far broader choice of subject matter) in scratchbuilding.  But there are plenty of perfectly legitimate reasons to work from kits.  Scratchbuilding, if you want to do it to a high standard, requires quite an investment in tools, and it takes up a considerable amount of space.  I am, at the moment, a case in point.  I've got a detached workshop in the back yard; it contains a full-sized table saw and a miniature one, a band saw, a drill press, a Unimat lathe, a couple of handheld motor tools, two routers, a miter saw, a power sander, four hand planes of various sizes, and hundreds of dollars worth of other hand tools that I've collected over many years.  I had some physical problems last year, and for the time being I physically can't get to the workshop.  I'm a year or two away from retirement, and having much more time available; I want to build at least one more model from scratch in my life - and preferably more.  I hope this coming summer I can work out a way to get my little "disability scooter" out there.  (The back yard is still an obstacle course, due to Hurricane Irene.)  But for the time being I have to confine myself to kits that I can build with basic tools in the house.  (My wife has strong opinions on the subject.)  People who live in apartments, or small houses, have similar problems; kits are what make it possible for them to be in the hobby. 

Another consideration:  a good kit (emphasis on good) contains parts of a quality that a scratchbuilder just can't compete with.  The process of injection-molding plastic is capable of producing much finer details than the human hand can.  (If you don't believe it, take a close look at an old LP record.)  The very best plastic kits have detail that people like Harold Hahn and Donald McNarry can't beat - let alone the likes of me.  (Take a look at the human figures in the old Revell Bounty.  Pay particular attention to the shoe buckles and the upper and lower eyelids - on 1/110 scale.) 

A good "halfway" position is the wood kit.  There's a considerably wider range of ships available in wood than in plastic (including at least two British revenue cutters that I can think of off the top of my head, from Amati and Calder/Jotika).  In a good wood kit the heavy-duty work has been done for you; the amount of sawdust you have to generate is minimal, and you've probably got most of the necessary tools already.  A lot of wood kits (the HECEPOBS) aren't worth building, but there are quite a few excellent ones out there - probably enough to keep you busy for the rest of your life.  If you stick with Bluejacket, Model Shipways, Calder/Jotika, and the more recent offerings from Amati, you're pretty safe.  But if you prefer plastic kits instead, that doesn't mean there's something wrong with you.  To each his/her own.

Sorry to be so long-winded.  My wife is gone for today, and the alternative to typing this was to read an MA thesis draft that I really don't want to read.

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Posted by cerberusjf on Saturday, February 11, 2012 3:50 PM

The Mel Gibson "Bounty" seems to be in Hong Kong available for charter

http://www.asiaprintandpublishing.com/downloads/Spring11/p08-10S.pdf

The last time I saw her she was playing "Pequod" in the T.V. series "Moby ***" with Patrick Stweart as Ahab.

There's also the "Endeavor" replica to add to the list

http://www.anmm.gov.au/site/page.cfm?u=1372

 

 

 

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Posted by Finn on Wednesday, November 28, 2012 7:22 PM

I find it strange that nobody here mentiones the ships made by Zvezda; They are doing a rather comprehensive range of ships from different epocas; Hanseatic Kogge, Thomas medieval ship, even a Carthagenian ship! I have not buildt any of these models yet, but when a company like Zvezda makes them it proves they see a market!

Maybe we should start "pestering" them insead of the usual suspects? Being Eastern European they also have considerably lower development costs than Revvell or Airfix!

OK; they are not 1/96, but who's to complane about the bigger scale?

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Posted by docidle on Thursday, November 29, 2012 12:07 AM

I agree with pretty much every ship on the list.  However, I would like to add the Santisima Trinidad, the HMS Serapis, which would mean a new Bonhomme Richard (rather difficult considering we do not really know what she looked like).  Although a model of a French East Indiaman of the same age, etc would be better than the old Aurora/new Revell kit (which I have in my stash for sentimental reasons).  Maybe the HMS Leopard or the USS Hornet or Enterprise.  On the American Civil War era, the USS Cumberland, Congress, Minnesota, Powhatan and the Hartford.  On the Confederate side, the CSS Nashville, Georgia, Shenandoah would be cool.  

I would love to build a Santa Maria but as a Nao (ship)or carrack.  The Half Moon, Grande Hermine (I have the Heller kit).  The HMS Prince, Royal Sovereign, Prince Royal, Henry Grace a Dieu, Santa Catarina do Monte Sinai, some brigs and sloops of war, the Gouda, or Wappen Von Hamburg......

Well, I can dream can't I.  I seem to remember a post that John was on that had something about possible future large scale releases from Heller before they started having financial troubles.

Steve

       

 

 

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