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USS Arizona - FINISHED! 2/27

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Posted by kirill4 on Thursday, May 5, 2016 11:00 AM

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Posted by the Baron on Tuesday, May 10, 2016 11:59 AM

Beautiful finish!  This is 1/700?  Which kit is it?  I've got the Hobby Boss Arizona in 1/700, that I'm converting to the Pennsy circa 1935.  But the kit really is crap, and I've lost interest in it.  I have to force myself to finish it.  To illustrate, I started it in 2010, and it's still not finished.  This looks like a much better kit as a starting point.

Best regards,

Brad

The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.

 

 

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Posted by jtilley on Tuesday, May 10, 2016 2:23 PM

Hasegawa, to my knowledge, doesn't make a model of that ship. I've been assuming that Jester's beautiful model was based on the Dragon kit, which is generally regarded as the best Arizona on the market - in any scale.

Youth, talent, hard work, and enthusiasm are no match for old age and treachery.

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Posted by Jester75 on Tuesday, May 10, 2016 3:24 PM

the Baron

Beautiful finish!  This is 1/700?  Which kit is it?  I've got the Hobby Boss Arizona in 1/700, that I'm converting to the Pennsy circa 1935.  But the kit really is crap, and I've lost interest in it.  I have to force myself to finish it.  To illustrate, I started it in 2010, and it's still not finished.  This looks like a much better kit as a starting point.

Best regards,

Brad

 

This build is Dragon's boxing of the Arizona, the Premium edition in particular which comes with brass barrels and etched railings and is 700th scale. I'm glad you like it Brad!

And thank you Professor for your flattering words on my attempt to represent this fine ship!

Eric

 

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Posted by Jester75 on Tuesday, May 10, 2016 3:52 PM

Is there are particular area that you would like to see more of?

Eric

 

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Posted by mustang1989 on Tuesday, May 10, 2016 4:37 PM

Dude I was wondering what you were up to in the modeling realm and now I'm sorry I never asked! You're a braver man than me that's for damn sure! Great turnout there Eric! YesYesYesYes

                   

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Posted by checkmateking02 on Tuesday, May 10, 2016 7:18 PM
Nice work! A great-looking ship.

 

 

 

 

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Posted by the Baron on Wednesday, May 11, 2016 2:33 PM

Ah, thanks, Jester!  I have to track it down and do another version of my conversion.

The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.

 

 

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Posted by Jester75 on Wednesday, May 11, 2016 6:24 PM

Thank you much gentlemen, your comments are all appreciated! It looks like there has been some housekeeping here??

 

the Baron

Ah, thanks, Jester!  I have to track it down and do another version of my conversion.

 

You won't be disappointed in it. Like I spoke of earlier, the worst fitting part of the kit is the lower hull to the uppper hull and its no deal breaker by any means. Heck, if I can clean it up anyone can. I am more interested in your conversion attempt though. How many changes are required to backdate the 1941 Zona to the earlier Penny with the cages (or an earlier Zona for that matter)? I have the Dragon Penny in the stash that I am very much tinkering with the idea of backdating her to the pic I posted earlier. I havent really started gathering any research on the project yet so who knows what kind of undertaking it will end up being.

Eric

 

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Posted by navy07 on Monday, May 16, 2016 10:21 AM

Really excellent build. I'm currently building Uss Missouri in 1-700 scale WW 2 configuration. Your build is an inspiration for me. My kit is the Tamiya waterline kit and the first battleship build.  I hope to get close to your great job. Lenny

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Posted by the Baron on Monday, May 16, 2016 11:55 AM

Jester75

Thank you much gentlemen, your comments are all appreciated! It looks like there has been some housekeeping here??

 

the Baron

Ah, thanks, Jester!  I have to track it down and do another version of my conversion.

You won't be disappointed in it. Like I spoke of earlier, the worst fitting part of the kit is the lower hull to the uppper hull and its no deal breaker by any means. Heck, if I can clean it up anyone can. I am more interested in your conversion attempt though. How many changes are required to backdate the 1941 Zona to the earlier Penny with the cages (or an earlier Zona for that matter)? I have the Dragon Penny in the stash that I am very much tinkering with the idea of backdating her to the pic I posted earlier. I havent really started gathering any research on the project yet so who knows what kind of undertaking it will end up being.

 
Thanks, Jester, that really does sound like the kit I should have used (though it might not have been out, when I first started, heh!)  The fit between the upper and lower hull halves wouldn't be an issue, since I'm mounting mine on a sea base, according to this photo of the Pennsylvania cruising in Panama Bay:
 
 
Photo courtesy of the USN's Historical branch 
Around 1935, the major difference between the sisters was that the Pennsy had a taller conning tower, extending a deck higher than the Arizona's, because she served as fleet flagship.  Her stack was also a level shorter, at that time (something I missed).  Here's where my build is now, stalled at the point of adding PE rails (a White Ensign set designed for a 1941 Arizona):
 
 
You can see the conning tower immediate aft of turret B.  If I remember correctly, it's the flag bridge at that level, and there was a short catwalk leading from the door at the front of the flag bride to the top of the conning tower.  I made the conning tower by stacking styrene sheet to make a blank, then making a template of the cross-section from my photo references and cutting/filing/sanding down the shape to match that template.
 
The main issue with this Hobby Boss kit is the soft detail, coupled with the engineering choices that go all the way back to Revell's original kit, primarily that most horizontal structures were molded in top and bottom halves.  So, windows on the superstructure are all rounded and soft, as if the plastic had melted, and there are seams along each deckhouse, as we go from the main deck on up.  I didn't spend as much care as I could have or should have, to address these issues.  But addressing them would have meant replacing those vertical surfaces.  On the main deck, where the 5" guns were relocated from their original position one deck lower, I could have plated the bulkheads with styrene sheet and drilled out those portholes.  The foremast deckhouses, though, and the fighting tops, would have required more work than I wanted to spend, to come up with proper, straight, square frames.  I'll hide as much of that as I can, though, with the awnings that were often used.
 
I also removed much of the molded-on splinter shields, on the decks, and on the platforms on the masts, because those were added in 1940.  They'll get replaced with PE railings, some with tissue paper attached to replicate the canvas windbreaks that were attached to the rails.
 
I'm not a competitive modeler, but even then, the more time I spend on this kit, the more I think that I can't display it.  But I will finish it, as an exercise if nothing else.  I may not be a competitive modeler, but I'm as susceptible to AMS as the next guy.  I did fix the radio aerials mounted to the fighting top on her mainmast (the after mast).  Hobby Boss molded these as a flat piece with triangles pointing fore and aft, that you sandwich in the "layers" of the top as you assemble it.  I replaced these with pyramid shapes of stretched sprue, according to my photographic references.
 
I found this source to be very useful in this particular conversion:
 
 
I liked this booklet so much that I've picked up others in the series, for some of the other members of the US battle line in the Thirties.
 
Anyway, I'd like to have crisper detail and not have to do it all myself.

The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.

 

 

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Posted by Revenant on Thursday, May 19, 2016 6:45 PM

Not bad.  Props could have been thinned Down, but...not bad.

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Posted by jtilley on Thursday, May 19, 2016 7:37 PM

Jester, I strongly suspect that "Revenant" is a new incarnation of "The Hobbyist," who got banned from the Forum a week or so ago. I've reported the abuse to the moderators. I suspect the guy will be gone by noon tomorrow.

Youth, talent, hard work, and enthusiasm are no match for old age and treachery.

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Posted by Revenant on Thursday, May 19, 2016 8:08 PM

jtilley

Jester, I strongly suspect that "Revenant" is a new incarnation of "The Hobbyist," who got banned from the aForum a week or so ago. I've reported the abuse to the moderators. I suspect the guy will be gone by noon tomorrow.

 

jtilley, check your PMs for a message from me...

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  • From: N. Georgia
Posted by Jester75 on Thursday, May 19, 2016 9:50 PM

Thanks Lenny, I'm glad you were inspired and would love to see some pics of your Mighty Mo!

Baron, I think your Penny looks great and would love to see more detail shots of her.

And thanks Professor, but no harm no foul. Rev probably wishes it was sitting on his shelf instead of mine!Wink

Eric

 

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Posted by Revenant on Tuesday, May 24, 2016 7:11 PM

the Baron

 

 
Jester75

Thank you much gentlemen, your comments are all appreciated! It looks like there has been some housekeeping here??

 

the Baron

Ah, thanks, Jester!  I have to track it down and do another version of my conversion.

You won't be disappointed in it. Like I spoke of earlier, the worst fitting part of the kit is the lower hull to the uppper hull and its no deal breaker by any means. Heck, if I can clean it up anyone can. I am more interested in your conversion attempt though. How many changes are required to backdate the 1941 Zona to the earlier Penny with the cages (or an earlier Zona for that matter)? I have the Dragon Penny in the stash that I am very much tinkering with the idea of backdating her to the pic I posted earlier. I havent really started gathering any research on the project yet so who knows what kind of undertaking it will end up being.

 

 

 
Thanks, Jester, that really does sound like the kit I should have used (though it might not have been out, when I first started, heh!)  The fit between the upper and lower hull halves wouldn't be an issue, since I'm mounting mine on a sea base, according to this photo of the Pennsylvania cruising in Panama Bay:
 
 
Photo courtesy of the USN's Historical branch 
Around 1935, the major difference between the sisters was that the Pennsy had a taller conning tower, extending a deck higher than the Arizona's, because she served as fleet flagship.  Her stack was also a level shorter, at that time (something I missed).  Here's where my build is now, stalled at the point of adding PE rails (a White Ensign set designed for a 1941 Arizona):
 
 
You can see the conning tower immediate aft of turret B.  If I remember correctly, it's the flag bridge at that level, and there was a short catwalk leading from the door at the front of the flag bride to the top of the conning tower.  I made the conning tower by stacking styrene sheet to make a blank, then making a template of the cross-section from my photo references and cutting/filing/sanding down the shape to match that template.
 
The main issue with this Hobby Boss kit is the soft detail, coupled with the engineering choices that go all the way back to Revell's original kit, primarily that most horizontal structures were molded in top and bottom halves.  So, windows on the superstructure are all rounded and soft, as if the plastic had melted, and there are seams along each deckhouse, as we go from the main deck on up.  I didn't spend as much care as I could have or should have, to address these issues.  But addressing them would have meant replacing those vertical surfaces.  On the main deck, where the 5" guns were relocated from their original position one deck lower, I could have plated the bulkheads with styrene sheet and drilled out those portholes.  The foremast deckhouses, though, and the fighting tops, would have required more work than I wanted to spend, to come up with proper, straight, square frames.  I'll hide as much of that as I can, though, with the awnings that were often used.
 
I also removed much of the molded-on splinter shields, on the decks, and on the platforms on the masts, because those were added in 1940.  They'll get replaced with PE railings, some with tissue paper attached to replicate the canvas windbreaks that were attached to the rails.
 
I'm not a competitive modeler, but even then, the more time I spend on this kit, the more I think that I can't display it.  But I will finish it, as an exercise if nothing else.  I may not be a competitive modeler, but I'm as susceptible to AMS as the next guy.  I did fix the radio aerials mounted to the fighting top on her mainmast (the after mast).  Hobby Boss molded these as a flat piece with triangles pointing fore and aft, that you sandwich in the "layers" of the top as you assemble it.  I replaced these with pyramid shapes of stretched sprue, according to my photographic references.
 
I found this source to be very useful in this particular conversion:
 
 
I liked this booklet so much that I've picked up others in the series, for some of the other members of the US battle line in the Thirties.
 
Anyway, I'd like to have crisper detail and not have to do it all myself.
 

Digging your WiP...like how the gun turrets match the ref pic...

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