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Posted by warshipguy on Thursday, January 4, 2018 8:05 AM

Gene,

You seem to be much further along than I.  I have been working on the gunports and scuttles, as well as various subassemblies.  I am also experimenting with www.postimages.com with Mike's and Steve5's help.  I have uploaded a few photos and am working on posting them in a seperate thread on the Alabama.  Finally, I have contacted the Nautical Research Guild to get their take on this discussion about the Alabama's colors.

Bill

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Posted by Nino on Thursday, January 4, 2018 9:42 AM

warshipguy

... I am also experimenting with www.postimages.com with Mike's and Steve5's help.  I have uploaded a few photos and am working on posting them in a seperate thread on the Alabama.  Finally, I have contacted the Nautical Research Guild to get their take on this discussion about the Alabama's colors.

Bill

 

   Bill,

       I am still looking for the reference that I recalled for the CSS Florida being "lead colored" ( Grey?). Could be that is the reason some Modelers did their Alabama grey as these confederate Raiders were similar in design, purpose and time. (I feel like it was from a letter or recorded comment in some History book I read years ago.)

     It is too bad that Paintings are difficult to depend on.  Did the artist ever see the actual ship close-up?  Did Capt. Semmes really tell the truth about the Alabama colors? To this day certain aspects of Cold War US Navy ships are still secret or misleading info is supplied. Maybe Semmes felt that way about Alabama's disguises should the South rise again.

     I could well imagine the Alabama had some ornate paint work to instill pride in the ship, although I am conflicted on a colorful hull. Did Alabama want to be indistinguishable from a merchantman? I would think owners of such ships would not waste profit on painting them in expensive colors. However, I would not doubt that re-painting the ship frequently to fool the Union searchers would be an excellent stratagem. 

     I would like to know about a waterline painted on the Alabama and what color. Also, there are various anecdotal comments that the masts were "Bright" (bare wood), Buff, White, and/or Black. What were they really?

      The pictures and write-ups we have on Civil War ships seem to show most ships with dark or probably black hulls. However, we do have evidence of Paint color in several warships inventory. The Harriet Lane comes to mind as I recall an article proving that Green paint was offloaded from her. So she MAY have had a Green hull. Not to mention the record of Blue paint in stores on the Kearsarge.  I read in an old NRG articles that Blue was possibly used for the water-ways on the Kearsarge. And, of course, the USS Constitution Hull and gun port colors over the years.

      I have the NRG's CD collection of editions 41-50.  It has a terrific multi-part write-up on  "Reconstructing Kearsarge, 1864, A tale of two models".  I wish they had one on the Alabama. I will PM you after I do some serious reading with my estimate of the CD's articles.

   Keep at it with Post-image. Once you have pictures uploaded, it's a snap to add it to your FSM post.

     Jim.

 

Edit:  I located a source for the "lead color" for the CSS Florida.

Official Records of the Union and Confederate Navies in the War of the Rebellion  page 639 

Multiple other pages also speak of a "lead color" for Floriida. A Fog Color is mentioned for two Confederate side-wheeler blockade runners(pg 192-193).

Link:https://books.google.com/books?id=jMp2N4xxxmIC&pg=PA639&lpg=PA639&dq=css+florida++lead+color&source=bl&ots=1rZqY3jdZj&sig=xrUGeuY990PCUQRDHOt0bJRIAeI&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjv9N3eksLYAhVLdt8KHXdCAR0Q6AEIMDAB#v=snippet&q=lead%20color&f=false

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Posted by gene1 on Thursday, January 4, 2018 10:08 AM

Steve, docidle, I'm sorry not to have answered you on the FSM articles. I checked my stack of FSM magazines & did not find any 2012 July & Sep. I am sort of committed to the colors I have now & I hand painted the inside Bulwarks in a Buff color. I do like it much better as everything will show up better. I had to mask my finished deck with thin strips of tape. I hope that Bill finds out something on colors.

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Posted by gene1 on Thursday, January 4, 2018 10:22 AM

Bill, you are doing everything right & spending a lot of time on changing gunports. I am building it with not many changes. I told you I did change the bulwarks color to a buff & do like it much better. My green was a lot darker. It was not a dark green, but looked that way.

  Have you seen the utube 5 part post on the internet ? He did do a lot of research on the changes you made on gunports & colors & a lot more. In part 5 he is still not finished but I have not found anymore posts. I got the metalic waterline from him.. I did do the blue windows in the stern & have seen that a lot in models & pictures. It does close the rear openings up on the inside. He closed them from the outside. 

   I am really looking forward to your pictures.

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  • From: Groton, CT
Posted by warshipguy on Thursday, January 4, 2018 11:22 AM

Gene,

Yes, I saw that Youtube video series and am using it as a reference.  I have been working on the photo issue as well this morning. We are currently getting hammered by that snow storm. The entire state is shut down.  We have accumulated approximately 8 inches so far with a total of 17 projected.  It's a great modeling day!

Bill

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Posted by gene1 on Thursday, January 4, 2018 11:55 AM

Bill, I sort of follow you around like a puppy dog. We are getting snow here too, but it has been getting close to zero here for the whole week. Back in 1993 in March we had a blizzard & got 3' of snow on the level & 5' drifts. OOPS ,I am getting an optical migraine, no pain just the eyes go out for a half hour or so. My eye doctor , a super one says they are mostly harmless . More later.

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Posted by gene1 on Thursday, January 4, 2018 7:04 PM

  I'm back, with 2 eye's . It lasted about an hour & I have been on the Alabama all day after that. Got all the shroud base's on & a lot of painting done. My cannons are due tomorrow. I will probably paint them right away. Love the cannons, lot's of detail. Darn Bill, these big models are more fun to build. .

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Posted by docidle on Thursday, January 4, 2018 11:00 PM

gene1

Steve, docidle, I'm sorry not to have answered you on the FSM articles. I checked my stack of FSM magazines & did not find any 2012 July & Sep. I am sort of committed to the colors I have now & I hand painted the inside Bulwarks in a Buff color. I do like it much better as everything will show up better. I had to mask my finished deck with thin strips of tape. I hope that Bill finds out something on colors.

 

Gene,

Don’t worry about it. My boys just started school today after Winter Break and my beautiful wife has a deadline to make, so bench time will be at a premium. Hopefully I can get those articles scanned this weekend and post them or PM  you. 

Steve

       

 

 

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Posted by docidle on Thursday, January 4, 2018 11:08 PM

warshipguy

Steve,

Those are excellent photos of the model!  I like the colors and may repaint mine accordingly. Also, Mike and Steve5 are helping me to learn how to post, so I might start my thread on the Alabama in the next day or so.

Bill,

Thanks, they are great pictures and I love the way she is painted in this redition. Sleek and mean! Looking forward to seeing your Alabama! Stay safe with are that weather you guys are getting. 

Steve

       

 

 

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Posted by Nino on Friday, January 5, 2018 10:20 PM

I've had time to continue my reading and I located info on some CSN ship colors.

I located a source for the "lead color" for the CSS Florida.

Official Records of the Union and Confederate Navies in the War of the Rebellion.  page 639  (Multiple other pages also speak of a "lead color" for Floriida.)

 

A Fog Color is mentioned for two Confederate side-wheel blockade runners                 (pg 192-193).

 

Link:https://books.google.com/books?id=jMp2N4xxxmIC&pg=PA639&lpg=PA639&dq=css+florida++lead+color&source=bl&ots=1rZqY3jdZj&sig=xrUGeuY990PCUQRDHOt0bJRIAeI&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjv9N3eksLYAhVLdt8KHXdCAR0Q6AEIMDAB#v=snippet&q=lead%20color&f=false

 

   Nino

 Edit:  My post above was to complete my earlier post. I did not want my comment about "Grey" to go un-referenced.

"... I am still looking for the reference that I recalled for the CSS Florida being "lead colored" (Grey?). Could be that is the reason some Modelers did their Alabama grey..."

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Posted by GMorrison on Friday, January 5, 2018 10:41 PM

But she never ported in the US. She was overhauled last in France. If you were to ask me apropos of nothing I would guess she might have been dark blue or dark red.

 

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Posted by LIVIT on Wednesday, January 10, 2018 6:58 PM

I am wanting a CSS Alabama for my next build. If anyone comes across a reasonble deal on one or has one they would like to part with. Please give me a yell.  Gene, once this weather changes a bit we will have to get together so I can see your ships up close.... Dale

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Posted by GMorrison on Wednesday, January 10, 2018 7:21 PM

Revell re-released it about 10 years ago. I know, that's A LONG TIME.

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Posted by gene1 on Wednesday, January 10, 2018 9:11 PM

Hi Dale, just give me a call anytime. I still see Alabama's on ebay a lot. About the cheapest good price is around $100 or slightly less. I am having a lot of fun with mine & just painted the deck furniture & built my Cottage guns. The guns finish nice. I am building it stock & used the kit deck.

   Warship guy & I are both going to put 2 threads on the Alabama pretty quick. Bill is making a lot of corrections on his.

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Posted by LIVIT on Wednesday, January 10, 2018 10:02 PM

Looking forward to you and Bill's build threads. Those Cottage guns look really nice, I would also get the Scaledeck for it, since they have the corrected the gun pivots and I really like the looks of the Scaledeck I am using on my Constitution build.    Dale

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Posted by GMorrison on Thursday, January 11, 2018 12:14 AM

I'm going to just toss in something here and then shut up.

The best model kit of the Alabama is currently available. 

The best prices for the Revell Alabama seem to be north of $ 100.00. Thats a 1000% mark up on what the kit cost the maker.

For $ 739.00 a kit is available that is very accurate and buildable.

That would be my choice.

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Posted by gene1 on Thursday, January 11, 2018 3:33 PM

 GM, I think I paid somewhere near $10 or so for my first Kearsarge & Alabama. The one I am building must have been a late one & had a store sticker of $93 on it. Then I bought my first new car in 1950 for $1527 , a 1950 Studebaker Champion. A new Ford I believe was around $1675. I liked it a lot better then before our leaders led us down the path. 

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Posted by Nino on Monday, January 22, 2018 6:25 PM

warshipguy

Gentlemen,

Here is a question that well-deserves discussion.  What was the external color of the ship? I have seen black. I have seen gray. I have seen white trim and no off-setting color on the trim.  What are your thoughts?

Bill

 

 Bill,
     As you know I've had some time available to do some research.  I have some answers at least as far as 1862 goes.  The Captain of the ship Brilliant reported details of the Alabama to try and assist in her capture. Excerpt below.
 
Archive.org/stream/proceedingsofcha00newy/proceedingsofcha00newy_djvu.txt
 
“At a special meeting of the Chamber of Commerce of the
State of New-York, held Tuesday, October 21st, 1862, "to
consider what action, if any, should be taken in consequence
of the burning at sea, by the steamer Alabama, of the ship
Brilliant and other vessels,…”
 
“…statement which has appeared in the daily papers 
(New York Journal of Commerce, et al)of the city,
as emanating from Captain Hagar, of the ship Brilliant."
 
 
“She is a wooden vessel, propelled "by a screw, coppered bottom, about 210 feet long, rather narrow, painted black outside and drab inside, has a round stern, billet head, very little shear, flush deck fore and aft, a bridge forward at the smoke stack, carries two large black boats on cranes amidships forward of the main rigging, two black quarter-boats between the main and mizzen masts, one small black boat over the stern on cranes. The spare spars on a gallows between the bridge and foremast show above the rail. She carries three long 32-pounders on a side, and is pierced for two more amidships ; has a 100 pound rifled pivot gun forward of the bridge, and a 68 pound pivot on the main deck; has tracks laid forward for a pivot 'bow-gun, and tracks aft for a pivot stern- chaser, all of which she will take on board to complete her armament, fler guns are of the Blakely pattern, and manufactured by 'Wesley & Preston, Liverpool, 1862. She is bark rigged, has very long bright lower masts and black mast-heads, yards black, long yard-arms, short poles, (say one to two feet,) with small dog vanes on each, and appendant to the main studding-sail booms on the fore and main, and has wire rigging, carries on her foremast a square foresail, large trysail with two reefs, topgallant sail and royal. On the mainmast, a large trysail with two reefs and a bonnet. No square main- sail bent, topsail two reefs, topgallant sail and royal. On the mizzen mast, a very large spanker and a short three-cornered gaft topsail, has a fore and foretopmast staysail and jib. Has had no staysails to the main or mizzen masts bent, or royal yards aloft.  It is represented to go thirteen knots under canvas and fifteen under steam.”

  

     Nino

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Posted by warshipguy on Tuesday, January 23, 2018 6:34 AM

Nino,

Thanks for that! Now, I would like to know what was meant by "drab" inboard bulwarks as well as "bright" lower masts.  But, I believe that the buff colors are as good as any given the many paintings available. Thank you for this post!

GM,

I agree that the Bluejacket kit is a great kit and is eminently buildable.  But, we are having a great time trying to get as much as we can out of the Revell kit. And, the discussion is great! This is the most fun I have had here in a long time! Also, I plan on purchasing the Bluejacket kit soon.  It will make a great comparison with the Revell kit. 

Happy modeling!

Bill

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Posted by gene1 on Tuesday, January 23, 2018 9:33 AM

Jim, You are a bulldog when it comes to getting information. That was a super article for the description of the Alabama. I didn't get to work yesterday as I had a dermatologist & a dentist to get thru.I am 2 teeth short now. Oh boy. I am anxiously waiting for Bills pictures. 

   How do you find all that stuff when no one else can?

  Bill, I still like the German gray or a mix because it does deaden the hull color. Most of the paintings that I have seen of the Alabama do show a buff like color inside. I also think that a light wood color for the mast would be discribed as "bright".  I am going down now to start the masts. I will probably put brass rod in the bow sprit & main mast & paint them either Tamiya wooden deck tan or MM dark tan.& black doubleings & spars. 

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Posted by warshipguy on Tuesday, January 23, 2018 11:50 AM

Gene,

I do like the mix for the same reason, but am experimenting with the color for my inboard side of the bulwarks.  I have also been working on some modifications of the deck furniture to coincide with Bowcock's descriptions and illustrations.  I hope to send you more photos by this weekend.

I have narrowed the scuppers a little from the photos I had sent previously. I like the effect.  I do hope to have my deck in place and am planning on using the "560" glue on your recommendation.  I'll let you know how it works,

I hope that you are doing well from your extractions!

Bill

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Posted by gene1 on Tuesday, January 23, 2018 4:04 PM

You probably couldn't go wrong with a grayed down yellow/buff for the bulwarks. My cannon carriages look good on the "live" guns, but look too light in the pictures. The gold line on the hull & rear is on a lot of the good paintings so I did it. It was a pain, & I had to blacken the tops of the stripe because even with masking & putting a clear lacquer over the tape, I didn't get the line I wanted. I wish I had a mini roller that I could coat just the top of any stripes.

   The 560 glue with me sets faster than what some say. On glueing a cannon , about 15 minutes & it is set but can still be pulled off. Maybe thinning it a hair on glueng the deck would be good, but I'm not sure. 560 is what I would use, but just make sure that you don't have to move it around much. Once you use that stuff you will love it & use it wherever you can.Where paint is involved you can't beat it. It won't hurt paint & comes right off until it dries.

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Posted by Nino on Thursday, January 25, 2018 12:27 PM

warshipguy

Nino,

Thanks for that! Now, I would like to know what was meant by "drab" inboard bulwarks as well as "bright" lower masts.  But, I believe that the buff colors are as good as any given the many paintings available. Thank you for this post!

GM,

I agree that the Bluejacket kit is a great kit and is eminently buildable.  But, we are having a great time trying to get as much as we can out of the Revell kit. And, the discussion is great! This is the most fun I have had here in a long time! Also, I plan on purchasing the Bluejacket kit soon.  It will make a great comparison with the Revell kit. 

Happy modeling!

Bill

 

    So " Bright Lower masts" usually means varnished wood.  Most everything, else except the deck, is painted on the Alabama so that bright wood "color" would add a lot of interest.

      Today, in between restarting my modeling and catching up on Email, I joined the Civil War Talk forum. https://civilwartalk.com/threads/captain-semmes-css-alabama-operational-orders.135683/#post-1567879.  They seem to have some very knowledgeable folks there including Andy Hall who does 3D renders of various ships and has done excellent research on ships such as the USS Hatteras.

link:  https://civilwartalk.com/threads/aye-candy-u-s-s-hatteras-ver-2-0.88965/

      While reading books and surfing the Web over the last couple of months I came across some other interesting tidbits. Fourth Lieutenant Arthur Sinclair wrote about the Alabama guns in his book about Life Aboard the Alabama. He wrote:…Now we have Gunner Cuddy with his mates, polish in hand; for you must know that the battery is to be blackened, pumiced, and polished to a degree to put to blush a dude’s patent leather.”

      My Grandkids saw 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea a few weeks ago and they want me to build a “Nautilus” . I went to the attic this morning and dug out a Revell Snap-together 1/100 “Nautilus" kit. (I know it’s not the right version!)  Wasn’t the 20,000 Leagues Nautilus contemporary with post Civil war era ships?  Hey, a post Civil War Kearsarge and a 20,000 Leagues Nautilus encounter…. One can only dream.

     Nino

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Posted by GMorrison on Sunday, February 18, 2018 11:55 AM

Gene I noticed that great looking screw in one of your views. Is it the kit one improved? I couldn't find a reference in the text.

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Posted by gene1 on Tuesday, February 20, 2018 6:35 PM

GM. I'm sozrry that I hadn't answered your post as I just checked this site. The screw is just the kit one with MM brass lacquer on it. I have never seen after market screws that were that much better then a kit one that is cleaned up & lacquered. 

    During WW2 a kamakazi got one of the screws on my brothers BB Indiana & they had to come back to get a new one. He said he went to Pearl & we thought he came to the US.  They were hit 3 times with Kamakazi's. Not to much damage to a Battleship. We never lost a BB after Pearl Harbor.

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Posted by gene1 on Friday, February 23, 2018 6:25 PM

 I just took these pictures of my Kearsarge & Alabama together. I still have a little work to do on both, but I thought they would look good here.

More next.

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Posted by gene1 on Friday, February 23, 2018 6:28 PM

Here are some more.

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Posted by GMorrison on Friday, February 23, 2018 6:57 PM

Very nice! I'd love to see a true side view of the 'Bama with that rakish look.

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Posted by gene1 on Saturday, February 24, 2018 8:25 AM

I have posted some above with my protacter alongside, but the angles in the picture do not line up but they really do. I will post one in the next pictures I take.

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Posted by Nino on Sunday, February 25, 2018 10:27 AM

Gene,

     You have outdone yourself!  They look great together. Just enough difference in hull color to present that adversarial look. All the shrouds/rat lines look nice an tight too . I will give you a call for advice on that Heller tool when I am ready to do standing rigging.

     Please post some side views (And all the other views you can think of).  Best OOB build ever.  And you know I love your simple approach to the copper hull "weathering".   Thank You!

    So, where will Mary Ann let you display them?    And how do they look next to your Constitution?  Don't tell us you have not tried that....

     Jim.

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