I Hate Titanic Models !

Hi Peter ! 

 You know I think you are right . My Grandmother , on my Mother's side , would agree .She missed the sailing and came over on the Olympic ! She never got over the fact that such a Beautiful ( as ships went then ) Vessel and man's grandest Peaceful endeavor on the high seas could be lost so easily . She called it Hubris . I think she got it right !

PeterPan

The Titanic has left a deep scar to most people's psyche. It's name, size, speed, and promotion was bigger and better than anything at the time. It was drummed into everybody of its invincibility as "unskinkable" and then suddenly it sunk. The shock and letdown was dramatic and massive. The hope-idea that we humans can conquer anything imaginable got dashed to the ground, like a fallen angel. Populations, worldwide, suddenly went form invincible to vunerable overnight. If the psyche scar was not there, the Titanic would not have prevailed for as long as it has.

Very well said, and I think spot on. 

Tanker - Builder

 I had to say it !

 I do believe the above named ship is made in as many forms as a B.F.109 or a P-51 Mustang . I mean how long can companies harp on the same ship !

 There are so many out there that for whatever reason sank in extraordinary circumstances  ! Such as the Andeae Doria .The Lusitania , the Normandie And so on .

   As to Warships , Well how long did we have to wait for the Indianapolis ! What about the better French and Italian Major ships . ? Not to many .

 Now you take this into account . There were many Lines during the fifties and sixties . Most on either coast . Carrying liquids and dry cargo . And even small ships going north and south along coasts all over the world !

 But no ,! they have to keep on witj that durned ship ! Come on there's more ships out there that were considered something else . Yes the Savannah is one , but how about the Morro castle for instance .

 Here's another for you . How about the ship that was responsible for the sinking of the Doria . Sure , a model of the ship that hit her ! How about the great Liner , Isle De France that was present for the rescue ! Just stop with the Titanic , Please ?

The Titanic has left a deep scar to most people's psyche.

It's name, size, speed, and promotion was bigger and better than anything at the time. It was drummed into everybody of its invincibility as "unskinkable" and then suddenly it sunk. The shock and letdown was dramatic and massive. The hope-idea that we humans can conquer anything imaginable got dashed to the ground, like a fallen angel. Populations, worldwide, suddenly went form invincible to vunerable overnight.

If the psyche scar was not there, the Titanic would not have prevailed for as long as it has.

Yeah ;

 I guess being Poopside Down did add to the panache ! LOL.LOL. Thread Drift , Wait , who's the helmsman here ? T.B.

Tanker - Builder

Okay Now :

 How did the Poseidon become the center of attention ?

Becasue this is Ships, and we always have Thread Drfit

Besides, the poopsidedown wass kind of a cool liner

GMorrison

 

 

Tanker - Builder

Okay Now :

 How did the Poseidon become the center of attention ?

 

 

 

 

A total lack of self control.

 

 

LOL, now that's funny

Tanker - Builder

Okay Now :

 How did the Poseidon become the center of attention ?

 

But seriously, that's what it takes. A knowledge by the general public.

The novel is loosely based on a ship like the Queen Mary. The movie was partly filmed on board that ship in Long Beach.

That would be the logical place to start.

Okay Now :

 How did the Poseidon become the center of attention ?

Ernest Borgnine's.

There's got to be a morning after...the great Maureen McGovern.

I like the look of the original personaly.

modelcrazy

we need the Posiden!

Wait, which one? 

The original with Leslie Nielson at the helm, or the 2006 remake?

Right !

 Now think about this " G " There have been many Movie ships that have never been made in plastic ! Both Fiction , Science fiction and good old seagoing movies . Remember Humphrey Bogart talking to his ship and the Duke talking to " Baby " while he piloted that old steamer down " Blood Alley " ?

 Oh , on that score , Have you ever seen say , a 1/32 scale plastic model of either the " African Queen or the Louisa " From the movie ? Nope ! There is a Queen in wood . 

GMorrison

Comes with a little Shelley Winters fig.

Little? LOL

"I'm not overweight. I'm just nine inches too short."

Comes with a little Shelley Winters fig.

Hasegawa for a while made models of ships the IJN sank, like the Gambier Bay.

GMorrison

Ships that starred in movies do OK too. 

LOL we need the Posiden! Wait, I'll bet someone makes it in resin.

I've concluded that for a long time selected subjects have been either museum or "famous/ infamous" ships.

Ships that starred in movies do OK too. 

I have to agree with TB. Like Titanic, ships like the Bismarck, Yamato, Missouri, Victory, Constitution, etc., are over represented in the plastic ship modeling industry.  Companies like Trumpeter and DML/Dragon are godsends for producing other ships.  I wish that other companies would follow suit and steer away from the overly recognizable names.

Bill

I did know that. In fact, there were two U.S.S. Andrew Dorias.

" G " 

    What you stated is true . But with careful scratch building this can be achieved .The Sheer isn't as bad a problem as the bridge area .The U.S.S. Dixie ( A Destroyer tender . Although shorter , has a similar Bridge . So does the Piedmont !

 The sheer is noticeable from a distance , but , I do believe it can be done . Yes , with this hull ! I have done four of the Dixie's for friends from here and one Matsonia which was smaller ( Shorter by thirty foot  ).

 I would say because of the scale it would be not be that big a chore . Many of thos older ships had beautiful sheer and other great lines . Only the true ship afficianado would know what to look for though !

 You have to remember " G " the wood models of liners are way out there in accuracy , Meaning , None ! At least with this old veteran model we can get close .

 It's like the REVELL Brasil, Brazil ?/Argentina situation .She was a Moore-McCormack ship of a size smaller than the Doria . But She is a good start to that goal . How many models of the Andrea Doria have you seen .  Or her adversary the Stockholm ? By the way . Did you know that in Portugal , Spain and Italy  ,Andrea is a male's name . He , Andrea Doria was one of their well respected Admirals or something like that . 

The middle one. Amazon has it for $ 25 or so plus shipping.

Our good friend has recommended this conversion before. I frankly am skeptical. Under the assumption that any hull is better than no hull, and that is kind of the original proposition of this thread; sure.

Everything from the main deck up would be new. Thats not an unbeatable challenge, but with liners it gets finicky with the stacks and curved deckhouse faces etc.

My question is this. Both the P2 Admiral Class troop ships upon which the President Liners were converted, and the kit which is based on them, have little to no sheer for most of their length. They look like big floating boards to me.

Our Lurline however has a fair amount of sheer, as do most good looking ships of the era. That makes the hull conversion a lot more difficult.

Thanks TB.

I found three, a 1/547 Lifelike kit (vintage) for $115.00,

a 1/547 Lindberg kit (don't lnow the age) for $38.00,

and a 1/350 Lindberg kit for $34.00.

Do you have a reccommendation? I do have some fine pictures to guide me in making changes, some before the war and some during and after the war.

EJ

If there were plans available, scratch building would be the answer. However, do not ever expect a kit for the LURLINE. If plans for this liner were not available, there are plenty of photos for the skillful scratch builder to copy a model.

Happy modeling    Crackers 

E.J

   There is one close enough . You would have to do a lot of improving and some scratch building but there is a chance .It's the old Pyro , Now Lindberg ? American President Liner . The President Wilson and the Lurline had only forty foot of difference between them in real life .

 They were built to a type for efficient troop movement and then conversion to passenger trade for the line's to make back the money they spent to build them for UNCLE SAM  !

GMorrison

 

Back at my desk. Try this.

 

http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/sfgate/obituary.aspx?n=lurline-coonan&pid=188769697&fhid=26209

 

Thanks for that link. My dad shipped out for Adelaide Australia aboard "Lurline", April 22, 1942, and returned home in October, 1944 after 654 days of combat in and around New Guina. I wish there was a model of the Lurline available.

EJ

 Aye , Mr. Goldhammer !

 I'll be needing All ahead Flank now . This life has been Interesting , Heartbreaking and then Awesome . I think I can rest easy on this score ! I do wish sometimes I could do some things over or better . Oh well , that's why it's called life .

Maybe a little  TB.   You have had a great life with plenty of success.  More to come, I'm sure.

That great feeling comes with anything done in life that happens and is recognized for what it is.

If you hate too many TITANICs, how about too many H.M.S. VICTORYs, CONSTITUTIONs and MAYFLOWERs ? That's why I prefer to scratch build model ships. One is not held captive to the limited types of model ships in the plastic kit market. If one likes a perticular model ship in which the plans are available, then one can break out of the plastic model box.

Happy modeling    Crackers 

Tanker - Builder

" G " 

 I do have a copy of that book . Given me by my Grand-Mum .The one that actually did miss the sailing ! Whatever the link you gave in this short message couldn't be linked on  , But Thanks .

 

http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/sfgate/obituary.aspx?n=lurline-coonan&pid=188769697&fhid=26209

Yeah !EdGrune ;

 Too bad they are resin . That's what I am talking about ! Are those 1/350 ?