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USS Arizona Memorial - Revell, Shapeways - 1/426:1/429 scale - by SigEp Ziggy

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  • Member since
    August 2019
  • From: Central Oregon
Posted by HooYah Deep Sea on Tuesday, August 27, 2019 1:31 PM

"Why do I do this? Because the money's good, the scenery changes and they let me use explosives, okay?"

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  • From: Central Oregon
Posted by HooYah Deep Sea on Tuesday, August 27, 2019 10:24 AM

And the rest .  .  . All just a guide, of course;

UPPER DECK MIDSHIPS
Measure out and cut a piece of styrene to replace foredeck piece.
Mark all of the holes and vent trunks and smokepipe to be cut out.
Add structure below holes as appropriate and
Mark all of the bulkhead sections to be added
Add stiffeners to bottom
Add grill bases in galley
 
FINAL ASSEMBLY
Add sides of turret #2
Build port side concrete mooring pad and support structure
Install stbd side cat walk (angled, collapsing)
Install rudder. Do not install shafts and props as they are below the mud line. The top of the rudder is still visible.
After major assemblies are in and filler is in, add debris pieces
Most of the hull et al is a medium tan (horizontal areas), to dark tan (vertical areas); portions that break the surface (barbette #3, mooring pads, etc.) should be a dark rust brown
 
NOTES
 
Remaining bulkhead stubs should be thicker than you’d expect, due to build-up of coral, etc.
I textured with talc and in some spots, several layers of it, using the wet spray paint to bond.
There are no branch-like corals growing on the wreck, so in this scale just texture alone will do.
Remember, the mooring quays and memorial bases sit on pilings.
Don’t place the wreck too close to the quays, she moved away from them as she sunk and more so as she settled into the mud. The hull sits on a coral shelf with a slight port list.
Don’t forget the four-foot diameter crown buoys marking the bow and stern.
The only place you need chain is from the wreck to the memorial dock. and I would not go any larger than about 24 links per inch.

"Why do I do this? Because the money's good, the scenery changes and they let me use explosives, okay?"

  • Member since
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  • From: Central Oregon
Posted by HooYah Deep Sea on Tuesday, August 27, 2019 10:20 AM

And other sections;

HULL
Remove lifelines. Remove paravanes
Mark hull at torpedo blister where barbette #1 would sit.
Remove blown out / salvage cut areas forward. (Do not cut out too much as you can always remove more later)
Assemble hull.
Notch rudder post area to add rudder later.
Heat forward hull to expand (more expansion on port side).
 
BOW
Install piece of bow deck cut from fore deck piece.
 
CRATER
Mark fore deck where stack would be using boat deck piece
Trim fore deck section about 1” in front of barbette #1, and half inch aft of the stack location.
Open up hatch, port side, between barbettes #1 and #2.
Install deck section inside hull with spacers underneath so that it sits, fairly flat, about even with the torpedo blister top.
Except for the 1.1” tub, remove gun shields on forward half of boat deck piece.
Remove the conning tower casing and central vent trunk from the boat deck piece.
Cut a 3/8ths” by 3/8ths” square out of the center of the top of barbette #2.
Cut the boat deck piece in half just behind the central vent trunk hole

"Why do I do this? Because the money's good, the scenery changes and they let me use explosives, okay?"

  • Member since
    August 2019
  • From: Central Oregon
Posted by HooYah Deep Sea on Tuesday, August 27, 2019 10:13 AM

SigEp Ziggy, here is a 'project list' for the aft / quarterdeck section;

MAIN DECK AFT (Quarterdeck)
 
Remove ladders, 4 locations
Correct Frame 88 midships structure (optional, since its mostly covered)
Remove 1.1” gun tubs. Patch the hole and add a spacer to raise the tub and reinstall
Install 1.1” director pedestal (same height as gun tub rim)
Remove winch, stbd side barbette #3
Cut out salvage hole near stern
Add stern casting and bollards
Correct catapult base ring
Add hatch covers (as applicable – closed or on deck)
Extend barbettes down and add “washer”
Build and install concrete / steel mooring pad on port side barbette #3
Open holes in projection booth
Add hollow crane kingpost bases and mainmast leg (aluminum tubing)
Install “T” from boat deck piece
Mushroom vents – as desired (dependent upon date)

"Why do I do this? Because the money's good, the scenery changes and they let me use explosives, okay?"

  • Member since
    March 2019
  • From: Post Falls, Idaho
Posted by Sigep Ziggy on Tuesday, August 27, 2019 6:38 AM

Working on the Arizona. 

HooYah, I did figure out my mistake about the bow section upon inspecting the profile drawing and will try to make many more ajustments. The mock-up photo was just to post my progress. Still a long way to go.

Nino, thank you for the image of the 3D model, I did not have one of the starboard side.

There are many layers needed to show the damage accurately. Plus, as she settled down, there is a list to port. I will try to copy that as well.

Progress: I am making new forward decks and working on no2 turret. I found most of the molded-on details are not to scale, I will be scratch building those still on the ship. I will be making molds of the two parts shown so I can make the number I need. I found a cheap necklace at wallyworld for $2.88 for the chain, that's 16 cents an inch.

your shipmate,

Ziggy

 

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  • From: Philadelphia Pa
Posted by Nino on Monday, August 26, 2019 1:37 PM

That 3D model was done in 2 sections of 18" each.  36" total.  Guess that'll  be around 1/200 scale.

  Thanks for the update.  I have an email on the way to you.

     Jim.

Edit:  Link for Pete Kelsey about his 3D mapping for the Arizona:

https://azdailysun.com/news/local/flagstaff-man-who-led-uss-arizona-mapping-team-on-pbs/article_6f01fdba-be83-5012-9d12-829b7ec249ce.html

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    August 2019
  • From: Central Oregon
Posted by HooYah Deep Sea on Monday, August 26, 2019 1:13 PM

That project was way after my work; I was involved in the original mapping and detail project. Now, if you look close at the areas that would be adjacent to the Memorial support pilings you see that the sonar picture gets confused  so it looks like there is a big hole there. This is not the case. Also, the top of the turret two gunhouse looks like it is all chewed up. That also is not the case, as that effect is from the surface wave action. The top of the turret sides is undamaged (comparitively) and simply a long bolt flange.

I'm curious as to the approximate scale of the 3-D model. I am getting inspired to build another 'as sunk, circa 1980's', but in 1/350. The big problem, in addition to the increased detail required, is expanding that two part hull. Should be interesting.

"Why do I do this? Because the money's good, the scenery changes and they let me use explosives, okay?"

  • Member since
    July 2014
  • From: Philadelphia Pa
Posted by Nino on Monday, August 26, 2019 12:36 PM

Not sure is another Arizona photo is helpful but the Washington DC Navy Yard has a beautiful 3D-printed model of the ship.  It was based on Laser, Sonar and Photgraphic measurements.  Model was Courtesy of Pete Kelsey.

Sorry I do not have a better profile view but you can see where the forwad half of the deck takes a decided drop.   I do have some detailed shots of the deck from directly overhead if interested.

Brian, were the measurements for this model done during your tenure?

 

     Nino

  • Member since
    August 2019
  • From: Central Oregon
Posted by HooYah Deep Sea on Monday, August 26, 2019 10:20 AM

I just noticed; on your first post, last picture you have a red line going from the stern toward the bow, stating that they do not line up as an indicator of the bow separation. They are not supposed to line up, the bow (foredeck) is normally a level higher than the stern anyway. There is a big crack on the port side, from the armor belt down to below the mudline, but other than a multi-angle horizontal mis-allignment, the bow was not actually separated.

The hardest part of this build is determining which deck level you are dealing with at any particular point.

"Why do I do this? Because the money's good, the scenery changes and they let me use explosives, okay?"

  • Member since
    August 2019
  • From: Central Oregon
Posted by HooYah Deep Sea on Saturday, August 24, 2019 9:31 PM

Ziggy, I built one of these back in the 1980's, exactly what you are doing. Remember that the forward turrets and their barbettes dropped vertically about 22 feet, so the back of turret two is sitting on the boat deck, but at the level of the main deck. The fore deck is not angled down, but also dropped vertically. This vertical drop is what dragged the superstructure and foremast forward, causing the collapse of that structure. The basic dividing line between major damage and minor damage is just aft of the stack. Also, you want to mark all of your salvage cuts and think about how deep they go so you can add layers underneath.     Have Fun!!! 

"Why do I do this? Because the money's good, the scenery changes and they let me use explosives, okay?"

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    September 2006
  • From: Bethlehem PA
Posted by the Baron on Friday, August 23, 2019 12:01 PM

ddp59

i have 13 out of 17 hulls being worked on plus 3 more still in their unopened boxes.

 
Yes

The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.

 

 

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Posted by ddp59 on Thursday, August 22, 2019 6:13 PM

i have 13 out of 17 hulls being worked on plus 3 more still in their unopened boxes.

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  • From: Bethlehem PA
Posted by the Baron on Thursday, August 22, 2019 2:37 PM

ddp59

Ziggy, cut all the railings off the main & upper decks when the decks are in place so not to cause a step between decks & hull. using that same model to build 17 OBBs from the Wyoming class to the Colorado class. http://www.shipmodels.info/mws_forum/viewtopic.php?f=59&t=165105

 
I remember seeing a similar project a few years ago, using the 1/720 Pennsylvania/Arizona kit to kitbash into the "Big Five". I don't remember if it was at Shipmodels or at some other forum.  That's a cool project you have going!

The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.

 

 

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  • From: Bethlehem PA
Posted by the Baron on Thursday, August 22, 2019 2:35 PM

An excellent project!  I like that you're using the venerable Revell kit.

The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.

 

 

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  • From: brisbane australia
Posted by surfsup on Wednesday, August 21, 2019 5:00 AM

This is going to be one interesting Build to watch. Like what you have done so far.....Cheers mark

If i was your wife, i'd poison your tea! If Iwas your husband, I would drink it! WINSTON CHURCHILL

  • Member since
    March 2019
  • From: Post Falls, Idaho
Posted by Sigep Ziggy on Tuesday, August 20, 2019 10:10 PM

I ordered some 1/400 scale people from an architectual company, so I will have people on the memorial.

I have started on the destruction on the Arizona, I cut the hull sides and added styrene to hold the new forward deck and started modifying the rear deck.

your shipmate,

Ziggy

 

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  • From: North Carolina, USA
Posted by Model Monkey on Friday, August 16, 2019 10:32 PM

Big Smile

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    March 2019
  • From: Post Falls, Idaho
Posted by Sigep Ziggy on Wednesday, August 14, 2019 12:04 PM

Working on the Arizona Memorial. I have a photo I will be using as the size of the diorama, working on no 2 turret, mud lines on the hull and now have both the moorings and memorial.

your shipmate,

Ziggy

 

  • Member since
    March 2019
  • From: Post Falls, Idaho
Posted by Sigep Ziggy on Sunday, August 11, 2019 6:24 AM

Thank you Model Monkey! I got the moorings yesterday and saw your note, thanks again. I ordered the memorial from Shapeways, however, have not received it yet.

Now much of an update, had to work this weekend (my turn), so just a photo.

your shipmate,

Ziggy

 

  • Member since
    March 2019
  • From: Post Falls, Idaho
Posted by Sigep Ziggy on Saturday, August 3, 2019 6:48 AM

I have put together a temporary mock up and will fine tune it later.

your shipmate,

Ziggy

 

  • Member since
    March 2019
  • From: Post Falls, Idaho
Posted by Sigep Ziggy on Friday, August 2, 2019 7:28 PM

Thanks for all the great advice and interest in my build. I have a plan, hope it works!

David, I printed the Polish/English copy on the Idaho. I can't thank you enough. Totally awesome!

Mr Morrison, I would love to get a copy of the book you mentioned, the copies I found on-line are not very clear and the photos of the model in Pearl are mostly vacationer photos. I can use my imagination and see how she turns out.

your shipmate,

Ziggy

 

  • Member since
    July 2014
Posted by modelcrazy on Friday, August 2, 2019 12:03 PM

I'll be following.

This is something I've been wanting to do for years but just didn't have the skillset at the time, now I just don't have the time.

My dream is now to replcate her shortly after the attack prior to the masts and weckage removal.

Steve

Building a kit from your stash is like cutting a head off a Hydra, two more take it's place.

 

 

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  • From: New Braunfels , Texas
Posted by Tanker - Builder on Friday, August 2, 2019 11:31 AM

Zig;

   Hey ? Why don't you use a heat gun on those damaged areas .I believe it would look better .

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Posted by GMorrison on Friday, August 2, 2019 11:15 AM

Ziggy, see if you can get ahold of Stillwell's book about BB-39.

Mine unfortunately is in some box (I hope) out in the barn.

There's a chapter about the salvage operation which went on for several years.

It includes your drawings and quite a few others plus a lot of photographs.

 Modeling is an excuse to buy books.

 

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Posted by ddp59 on Friday, August 2, 2019 9:15 AM

do you have access to a heat gun or even a hand held hair dryer?

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  • From: Post Falls, Idaho
Posted by Sigep Ziggy on Thursday, August 1, 2019 8:51 PM

I cut out one of the enlarged photos and matched some parts to them. You can see how much I have bow the port and starboard bow sections.

your shipmate,

Ziggy

 

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Posted by ddp59 on Monday, July 29, 2019 7:44 AM

me, county clare.

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  • From: Post Falls, Idaho
Posted by Sigep Ziggy on Monday, July 29, 2019 6:41 AM

Thanks for showing intrest, I too was established in 1961 and have ties to county Cork.

your shipmate,

Ziggy

 

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Posted by Est.1961 on Sunday, July 28, 2019 10:47 AM

Caught my eye happy to follow along with this Wip and subject matter. 

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  • From: Post Falls, Idaho
Posted by Sigep Ziggy on Sunday, July 28, 2019 10:04 AM

I removed the molded on railings from hull halves and based on the drawings, marked the part of the hull that needs to be removed to replicate the damage from the magazine explosion.

your shipmate,

Ziggy

 

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