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Trumpeter 1/350 USS Hornet CV-8 Doolittle Raid

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Posted by Wolfman_63 on Friday, September 3, 2021 3:41 AM

The Yorktown Class Hornet CV-8 did not have hangar deck catapults. It was the Essex class Hornet CV-12 that had them.

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Posted by GMorrison on Thursday, September 2, 2021 11:40 PM

Did Hornet have hangar deck catapults at the time of the raid? I don't remember. But I thought so.

 

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Posted by CapnMac82 on Monday, August 30, 2021 6:12 PM

Been cool to follow this build over on MeWe as well.

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Posted by modelcrazy on Saturday, August 28, 2021 12:53 PM

I see your mad like I am installing interiors in 350 scale planes

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Posted by MR TOM SCHRY on Saturday, August 28, 2021 11:18 AM

Museum quality work!  This model, when it's completed, should be placed in an appropriate venue so that all people can enjoy this work.  I'm in AWE of your workmanship.

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Posted by HooYah Deep Sea on Saturday, August 28, 2021 10:20 AM

I need to send you my Marine air group for my ALASKA project. There is no way my fingers could do that kind of detail, even without the detail kits. I have enough trouble just putting on the landing gear!

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Posted by Wolfman_63 on Saturday, August 28, 2021 9:21 AM

 

This week I started working on the Devastators for Torpedo 8 for the USS Hornet. I am using White Ensign’s cockpit detail set #3548 and Tom’s Modelworks aircraft detail set #3538. The cockpit fits very well. I plan on having some of the aircraft with the canopy open and some with the canopy closed. Just like the Wildcats I set up an assembly line. Mounting the cockpit and seats first then assembling the fuselage. The detail set includes the rear gun, antenna, and the gun sight. One thing to note, The instructions for the aircraft assembly show the wings folded pointing straight up when in reality they fold over. Next I will be starting to paint the fuselage section and wings in preparation for the decals.

 

 

 

See more photos and details from the start in my build log at https://davidsscalemodels.com/build-log/1-350-uss-hornet-cv-8-doolittle-raid/

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Posted by Wolfman_63 on Sunday, August 22, 2021 7:38 AM

 

The F4F Wildcats of “Fighting 8” for the USS Hornet are completed and aboard! I set up an assembly line. First I placed all the decals on the wings and lined them up. The decals were then applied on the fuselage. While they were drying I grabbed one of the 3-D printed Moto-Tugs from BaconFist on Shapeways and painted one of them. The detail for such a small tractor is awesome. The engine was painted engine gray. The body was painted intermediate blue with a black dash and seat. I also painted the front grill openings and tires. Once the Wildcats were completed I placed them in the aft hangar bay. I will set them in place later when I add the figures. I am finally starting the Devastators for “Torpedo 8” today.

 

See more photos and details from the start in my build log at https://davidsscalemodels.com/build-log/1-350-uss-hornet-cv-8-doolittle-raid/

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Posted by MR TOM SCHRY on Saturday, August 14, 2021 9:13 AM

Incredible work Wolfman63!  I'm late to this build but you can bet that I'll be closely watching your progress on it for now on!  Your attention to the fine details is truly inspiring and when you're done you are going to have a museum quality build.  Can't wait to see your next posting.

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Posted by Wolfman_63 on Saturday, August 14, 2021 8:03 AM

 

Progress this week is going slowly on the USS Hornet build. All things being equal 1/350 modern jets are much easier to build than World War II fighters. With the landing gear finished I needed to install the antennas. Using the Glue Looper V4 and a Pic-N-Stic I was able to place a small drop of CA glue and CAREFULLY place the antenna.

 

( Check out the Tips and Tricks section for the items I used at https://davidsscalemodels.com/tips-and-tricks/photo-etch-tools/ )

 

It may look easy but it took one evening just to install them on 18 aircraft. With all the photo etch added I painted all the aircraft and their wings. With the wings being in the folded position I needed to put the decals on before the wings. I had purchased the Starfighter Decals Hornet Air Wing decal set. I am not sure if it was the decal film was too thin or somehow they got degraded but the squadron numbers and the aircraft numbers on the cowl were very difficult to slide and place. They kept falling apart and cracking. After messing up many of them I decided to just make my own numbers. I printed out a set for all the squadrons and replaced the ones that messed up with my own. With the decals all placed I added the canopy, wings and propeller. So the first F4F is done, only 17 more to go! Once these are finished I will be starting on the Devistator torpedo aircraft.

 

 

 

See more photos and details from the start in my build log at https://davidsscalemodels.com/build-log/1-350-uss-hornet-cv-8-doolittle-raid/

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Posted by Wolfman_63 on Friday, August 6, 2021 8:05 AM

 

It has been another week of work on the USS Hornet CV-8 aircraft. I am still working on the F4F Wildcats. For this week I am showing all the little bits of Photo etch and the process of adding them to the aircraft. Once the fuselage is assembled I added the main gear which consists of the main strut, the landing gear doors, two struts, and a tail wheel. The main strut is added first then the doors. Getting the struts in position using very fine tweezers then gluing in place takes a little time. I find the Glue Looper V4 tip works very well for placing two very small spots of glue on the fuselage and main gear. Once dry I then place the tires and outside hubs on. I pre-painted the parts but they will require touch up after bending and gluing them. I then added the tail wheel. There is a slot for the kit tail wheel so the photo etch version fits into and using medium viscosity CA glue it fills the gap on each side since the photo etch part is a lot thinner than the kit tail wheel. After it dries I then do paint touch ups and paint the underside grey. While the landing gear dries, I assemble the propellers. I included a photo of the assembly showing the fiber optic with the hub and propeller separated to show the process. There is a total of 18 F4F’s that are being built. I am hoping to finish them next week so I can start on the others.

 

See more photos and details from the start in my build log at https://davidsscalemodels.com/build-log/1-350-uss-hornet-cv-8-doolittle-raid/

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Posted by Wolfman_63 on Thursday, August 5, 2021 2:49 PM

Shipwreck

Wolfman, I am very interested in your build. One reason is because I am starting a very similar project; though not the same level of detail! I will not light up the hanger deck, so the deck and air craft will not be as detailed (can't see most of it), and the flight deck will be kit plastic. I am impressed with your hanger walls where you cut out adjacent doors without destroying the frame between them. Would you please share with me how you did that. I have been considering scraping through with a #11 blade, sawing, cutting it out with the doors and replacing it from scrap, or maybe there is a better idea.

 No problem, I used hobby knife with a fresh # 11 blade and just scored it until it cut almost all the way thru. Then score from the opposite side following the marks. This makes the cuts more even and less likely slip out of the lines or break the blade tip on the surface you are cutting on.
 
On my blog I have a video of how I cut them open. It is the same method I use for cutting open panels on aircraft models. I don't like sawing as it leaves too large of a gap and can cut unevenly if you plan on using the panel later. Check out the video at https://davidsscalemodels.com/tips-and-tricks/cutting-open-panels-on-aircraft-models/

 

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Posted by Shipwreck on Thursday, August 5, 2021 1:54 PM

Wolfman, I am very interested in your build. One reason is because I am starting a very similar project; though not the same level of detail! I will not light up the hanger deck, so the deck and air craft will not be as detailed (can't see most of it), and the flight deck will be kit plastic. I am impressed with your hanger walls where you cut out adjacent doors without destroying the frame between them. Would you please share with me how you did that. I have been considering scraping through with a #11 blade, sawing, cutting it out with the doors and replacing it from scrap, or maybe there is a better idea.

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Revell 1/48 B-1B Lancer Prep and research

Trumpeter 1/350 USS Hornet CV-8 Prep and research

 

 

 

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Posted by GMorrison on Saturday, July 31, 2021 4:13 PM

CapnMac82

 

 
Wolfman_63
I then took the other 17 aircraft and created an assembly line. I am building them up until the point of adding the photo-etch. As soon and all 17 are at this point I will add the photo-etch details and then paint them. After they are built up I will use the individual aircraft decals that are part of the Starfighter Decals Hornet set.

 

It's passing staggering to me that a/c are multi-part micro-kits at 1/350 now-a-days.

I'm not sure a 10x optivisor would be enough for my old eyes; let alone having tools smaller than the a/c parts . . .

Outstanding stuff!

 

Trying to stay on topic- the oP is absolutely on about the trumpeter f4F main gear. It hangs down from the wing, wildly incorrect. After converting a gaggle of them on a 1/700 carrier, they came in handy for the nose gear of a bunch of the old Revell 1/540 jets, the kind with pins for gear.

Can't wait to see these built up. Maybe the hangar deck cat got used on this cruise?

 

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Posted by GMorrison on Saturday, July 31, 2021 2:23 PM

I bought extra b-25s to round out the squadron, but no way was I going to put on actual tail numbers. The decals are all sadly out of register.

 

Bill

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Posted by CapnMac82 on Saturday, July 31, 2021 2:01 PM

Wolfman_63
I then took the other 17 aircraft and created an assembly line. I am building them up until the point of adding the photo-etch. As soon and all 17 are at this point I will add the photo-etch details and then paint them. After they are built up I will use the individual aircraft decals that are part of the Starfighter Decals Hornet set.

It's passing staggering to me that a/c are multi-part micro-kits at 1/350 now-a-days.

I'm not sure a 10x optivisor would be enough for my old eyes; let alone having tools smaller than the a/c parts . . .

Outstanding stuff!

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Posted by GMorrison on Friday, July 30, 2021 2:51 PM

Wolfman_63
I took a 0.5mm fiber optic strand and used a lighter to melt the end slightly to make it the propeller hub cap. The propeller hub then blades were slid on and painted.

Brilliant!

 

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Posted by Wolfman_63 on Friday, July 30, 2021 2:43 PM

 

This week the work on the USS Hornet was limited. I was “forced” by my lovely Wife to spend a relaxing weekend on the lake fishing. We both had a great time and caught many fish

 

Anyhow, back to the build. I finished up the aft elevator and the fantail of the ship.  I then moved on to some aircraft. During the trip across the Pacific the Hornet had its normal compliment of aircraft packed on the hangar deck while the B-25B’s remained on the flight deck. I need to build all these aircraft so I can finish the hangar deck. I purchased all of the photo-etch for these aircraft. Both Tom’s Model Works and White Ensign Models provide sets. The Tom’s provides landing gear, antennas, and propellers for each aircraft. White Ensign has some cockpit details (like the rear gunner for the SBD’s) as well as flaps for the aircraft. I decided to start with the F4F Wildcats of “Fighting 8”. Using the F4F that came with the kit I built it up to the point it was ready for decals. One of the things I noticed was they have a hole for the landing gear that comes on the tree. Since I was using the photo-etch landing gear I took a small drill bit the diameter of the main gear wheels and drilled into the fuselage to create the wheel wells that are on the real aircraft. I looked at using the photo-etch cockpit pieces but the canopy is very small and thick. You would not see any detail at all. So I opted to just paint the interior green and flat black for the instrument panel under the canopy. For the propeller I need to make the shaft into the engine. The hole in the propeller and hub are 0.5mm as well as the on the aircraft cowl. I took a 0.5mm fiber optic strand and used a lighter to melt the end slightly to make it the propeller hub cap. The propeller hub then blades were slid on and painted. The landing gear and antenna on the dorsal behind the cockpit were added. It was base coat painted for the intermediate blue and grey scheme. With interior green for the wheel wells and white for the main gear struts and hubs. I then took the other 17 aircraft and created an assembly line. I am building them up until the point of adding the photo-etch. As soon and all 17 are at this point I will add the photo-etch details and then paint them. After they are built up I will use the individual aircraft decals that are part of the Starfighter Decals Hornet set. 

 

 

 

See more photos and details from the start in my build log at https://davidsscalemodels.com/build-log/1-350-uss-hornet-cv-8-doolittle-raid/

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Posted by GMorrison on Friday, July 23, 2021 1:34 PM

Looking great.

I used the Gator mask set for the camouflage and the results were good. I'm not sure if they are still in business though.

 

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Posted by Wolfman_63 on Friday, July 23, 2021 10:10 AM

 

Work continues on the Hornet hangar bay walls.  While reviewing the few photos I have I noticed that the hangar doors roll up. I used some styrene tubing for the open doors and rods for the closed ones. The open door ones were painted the exterior color 5-O Ocean Blue due to how they would roll up. As for the brand of paint I am using, I will be using Scale Colors for the ship. The colors are 5-N Blue, 5-O Ocean Grey and 5-H Haze Grey. Once these were installed I then began to add fine details to the walls. I added doors to match the ones on the outside and then added ducts for the vents on the port side. A few platforms with railings and stairs/ladders were added as well. Other details I noticed in the photos were added as well. There are many pipes and cables which will be added later. I will be using the pipes to hide wiring and fiber optic lines when I add them. The walls were then painted and installed. I am currently working on the aft elevator then I need to build up and detail the fantail. This coming week I have a couple of days where I won’t have time to work on this but am planning on starting the aircraft by the end of the week.

 

See more photos and details from the start in my build log at https://davidsscalemodels.com/build-log/1-350-uss-hornet-cv-8-doolittle-raid/
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Posted by Luvspinball on Saturday, July 17, 2021 4:04 PM

I had no idea I was talking to the Jedi Master of ship lighting.  Carry on.

Respectfully,

Padawan Apprentice

Bob Frysztak

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Posted by Wolfman_63 on Friday, July 16, 2021 6:51 PM

Thank you for the idea. I may need to do that and the front and back. So far it looks like I can run the lines to mid-ship and then over to the section where the island is and then down to the hull. Similar to how I did my USS Carl Vinson model.

 

The Vinson build is what I used and referenced when I authored/wrote the  Flagship Models "How to light ship models" CD

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Posted by Luvspinball on Friday, July 16, 2021 5:41 PM

David,

Having had quite a bit of experience with LED and F.O. lighting, I have a few tips or suggestions.  In picture 3, you show the girder structure for the flight deck, which has little "lights" hanging under them.  I assume you will be cutting these all off and will attempt to hang your own lights (nice job by the way) at those locations.  In order to get 160 fiber optic lines back to the LEDs, you will most likely have to run them along the "ceiling" of the flight deck.  To facilitate this and keep things neat, consider running the fiber through hollow brass tubing which could simulate ventilation ducts, water pipes, etc. up between the grids of the girders.  This way you can run everything to the voids along the sides and into the hull, where you can easily hide the LEDs and any other wiring.  This also offers the advantage of being able to completely construct the flight deck "ceiling" including the lights without having the actual flight deck in place.

PM me if you want me to explain further or send you a sketch of what I am trying to describe.  You can also use Styrene tubing, but it typically has thicker walls, and may have light leaks or "glow" unless you paint the tubing black (preferably inside and out).  Brass tubing has thin walls but is light resistent (except at the joints).  You can even step down to smaller and smaller diameters as you get farther away from the center.

Bob

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Posted by Wolfman_63 on Friday, July 16, 2021 4:01 PM

 

This week’s update on the USS Hornet covers more work on the hangar bay walls. I also started my experiments on add illumination to the hangar deck. I do not have all the lighting figured out but I have a general idea on what I need to do and a good start on how to accomplish it. 

 

Back to the hangar bay walls, the kit walls have many ejector marks so they have all been covered with 0.5mm styrene sheets. I then use extra rails and doors to detail them. On the thin hangar walls that lead to the outside I matched the doors on the inside. I framed the areas around the doors and for the doors that are closed I scored the surface to match the same detail as the outside. I still need to make the rolled up doors for the open ones but I need to wait until I install the flight deck supports. These will also affect where the wiring for the lights will go. I have also added a couple of stokes litters and a hose reel for where the Moto-Tugs will be parked. Another thing I need to do is to remove the guilds on the hangar deck for the walls. This is because with opening doors and with adding details to the inside of the wall they get in the way.

 

For the lighting each support has lights hanging from their edge. (4 to 6 per support) There are total of 166 lights! I took some 0.5mm fiber optic lines and using a lighter I slightly melted the end to look like a bulb then dipped it in acrylic gel medium. Once dry I cut the excess gel off where the "bulb" part is and primed it all white except where the bulb area was. I used an individual Pico LED to see how the lighting would look. The effect came out perfectly. Now I just need to make 165 more and figure out how to mount them and illuminate them.

 

As for extras, I received Hornet Air Wing decals from Starfighter Decals. These are for the battle of Midway aircraft so I will need to make the red dots for the center of the insignia for the Doolittle raid version. I also could not find 1/350 decals for the Doolittle B-25B’s so I made my own including the few aircraft that have nose art. The other accessories I received were ten 3-D printed moto-tugs thanks to BaconFist on Shapeways and I have 3-D printed officers and enlisted crew from HOLDEN8702RD on Shapeways.

 

Next up is the finishing of the hangar walls then I will need to start making all the aircraft, accessories, and figures for the hangar deck. These will need to be installed before the flight deck supports and lighting can be installed.

 

See more photos and details in my build log at https://davidsscalemodels.com/build-log/1-350-uss-hornet-cv-8-doolittle-raid/

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Posted by Wolfman_63 on Sunday, July 11, 2021 3:39 PM

Yes the elevator has PE railing if it is in the lowered position.

As for the other aircraft, The hangar bay will be loaded with all the aircraft that was aboard for the mission. The hangar will also be illuminated to see all the details.

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Posted by GMorrison on Sunday, July 11, 2021 3:01 PM

CapnMac82
Other than modeling the railing around the elevator, which would be fiddly.

i'm sure it's in a PE set.

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Posted by CapnMac82 on Sunday, July 11, 2021 2:49 PM

Wolfman_63
I have not decided on my arrangement yet. Thinking about doing it the day before the raid when they were tying medals onto the bomb fins or in launch arrangement where they are all bunched up aft.

Always good to consider options.  There is something to be said about modeling the F4F on the bow configuration, especially for the visual interst having the dropped elevator conveys.

(Other than modeling the railing around the elevator, which would be fiddly.)

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Posted by Wolfman_63 on Saturday, July 10, 2021 7:52 PM

GMorrison

There's two SBD-3s back in the mix, starboard side. 

And five F4F-4s up at the bow.

Both photos coutesy NavSource.

 

Bill

 

There are many cofigurations. The B-25's were staged so they could run the engines every other day. The reason in some photos you see other aircraft on deck is because they were moving things around during the 17 day trek. Then on the morning of the 18th all the B-25's were squeezed on the aft with their tails hanging over the deck edge to give them the most runway for take-off. In the Doolittle Raid book I reference in my original post has numerous photos of the flight deck and there are about 6 different set-ups on the flight deck. One photo has two B-25's on the bow. I have not decided on my arrangement yet. Thinking about doing it the day before the raid when they were tying medals onto the bomb fins or in launch arrangement where they are all bunched up aft.

 

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Posted by Model Monkey on Saturday, July 10, 2021 7:17 PM

Great project.  Have popcorn, ready for the show.

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Posted by steve5 on Saturday, July 10, 2021 5:48 PM

this is going to be a build I will follow with keen interest .

 

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