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Tamiya USS ENTERPRISE HELP URGENT
Posted by michael151722 on Saturday, March 25, 2023 11:00 PM

 Hello, 

I have recently picked up the hobby again as life as been really busy and with the build of the Tamiya USS Enterprise 1/350, it seems like for some reason no matter how hard I try the Hull and ship don't come together please help!

 

Thank youHull

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Posted by Pawel on Sunday, March 26, 2023 5:15 AM

Hello!

I don't quite understand your problem.

Here - let me help you with the photos:

Enterprise?

Now don't you think a photo without the foil would be better?

Good luck with your Enterprise and have a nice day

PaweĊ‚

All comments and critique welcomed. Thanks for your honest opinions!

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Posted by michael151722 on Sunday, March 26, 2023 8:58 AM

Hello,

Thank you for helping me with the pic, I have the foil in place to prevent dust from gathering when I am not working on it, but do you know why it's not coming together the hull as you can see there is a space between hull?

 

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Posted by LonCray on Sunday, March 26, 2023 9:07 AM

It seems like you mean the flight deck (the big flat pieces) aren't fitting well on the hull of the ship, is that correct?  You might have to force them into place a bit.

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Posted by michael151722 on Sunday, March 26, 2023 9:12 AM

Hello, 

Yeah I tried forcing them together but it seems like the other side than pops up it's quite frustrating tbh

 

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Posted by armornut on Sunday, March 26, 2023 9:27 AM

  Check the hull for obstructions, if I recall there are stiffeners screwed into place along the length of the lower hull. If one of them is slightly " proud" of the deck/hull seat the gap will be huge at the opposite end and pop up on the end closest to the obstruction. Please keep providing info and or pix and hopefully we can get this sorted out.

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Posted by CapnMac82 on Sunday, March 26, 2023 2:49 PM

Yes, we need more photos, as terminology is really important here to describe the parts that do not want to join.

The photo that Pawel helpfully posted shows a very complete sort of stage in the build, which may further complicate things.

The Tamiya Enterrpise is not exactly a "modern" kit, and pre-dates the era of shake-the-box-fall-together engineering of current Tamiya offerings.  It was an ambitious kit even back in the 80s when first released (1984 per scalemates:  https://www.scalemates.com/kits/tamiya-unknown-uss-enterprise-cvn-65--1218158/timeline )

It's very likely that, if you have been building in subassemblies, that enough "tolerance creep" has gotten in to spoil alignment or the like.  Hard to tell at this remove.

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Posted by michael151722 on Sunday, March 26, 2023 3:00 PM

Hello,

Thanks for all the replies I see that there might be something hindering my build from these photos should I take them out or did I build it wrong in the first place. And yes everything is close to complete but haven't glued the stuff on the deck together so can sti be fixed 

 

Thank you

 

https://postimg.cc/gallery/m1X5jq9

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Posted by armornut on Sunday, March 26, 2023 4:53 PM

Can't say for sure if it is built wrong, however taking the offending part out and test fitting to see if the problem goes awsy is advisable. You may have to trim, gring, sand , orleave the obstruction out.

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Posted by michael151722 on Sunday, March 26, 2023 8:14 PM

But would that be a deviation from the original build and would it not be a fitting way to complete the Carrier by leaving stuff out that was suppose to be there?

 

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Posted by LonCray on Monday, March 27, 2023 7:05 AM

No, if it's blocking the installation of the flight deck, it's not meant to be there.  My guess (before more photos) is that your flight deck pieces are a bit warped and might benefit from being heated with hot (not boiling) water then set between two flat objects (bricks or books or similar) to flatten them out.  

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Posted by michael151722 on Monday, March 27, 2023 8:25 AM

Hello,

 

Thank you for yours advice will try that when possible but I did some digging and found the menu as you can see E4 seems to be put in place directly under the board so in what way would the two pieces come together when it's told to build like that, if I take it out I can't add the antennas to it tho?

https://postimg.cc/6TYjJCjk

Thank you

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Posted by armornut on Monday, March 27, 2023 10:00 AM

  Thanks for posting the picture of instructions, it helped alittle. 

   I wonder if parts E-4 and E-5 are confused during assembly. They look very similar however following the instructions they are placed in different positions. That may be the cause of your issue.

     Also if the deck is warped then GENTLY warming it and placing heavy objects on it is your best bet.

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Posted by michael151722 on Monday, March 27, 2023 10:20 AM

That's a good idea but I want to know tho even if they were place wrong there is still quite a bit of obstruction with E4&5 against the hull tho no?

https://postimg.cc/HVFbsTNd

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Posted by armornut on Monday, March 27, 2023 11:24 AM

   I see the gap between the hull and the deck. It " appears" that parts E-4 and E-5 sit outside the mating surfaces of the hull and deck.

    Is there anything placed inside the hull in a previous step that might be interfering with the fit? Beyond that warping looks like the issue.

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Posted by CapnMac82 on Monday, March 27, 2023 12:34 PM

You may need to trim/sand/file the inside edge of those angled brackets to get the best fit.

Do you need those?  Looks that way:

And:

The internet can be an excellent resource for image searching.

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Posted by michael151722 on Monday, March 27, 2023 1:37 PM

Hello,

 

there is nothing inside the Hull that was placed there other than E4&E5, so are you saying that the E4 & E5 is in the wrong position and that it should be stuck more to the side of the deck piece and not under the deck piece right?

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Posted by michael151722 on Monday, March 27, 2023 1:38 PM

Sorry, but I am not sure what you are trying to show/imply with the pictures would you be able to explain more, like your saying I don't need E4&E5 really for the build?

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Posted by armornut on Monday, March 27, 2023 2:00 PM

   Yes that could be the issue, from the pictures provided. Definitly something to look into.

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Posted by michael151722 on Tuesday, March 28, 2023 12:16 PM

CapnMac82

You may need to trim/sand/file the inside edge of those angled brackets to get the best fit.

Do you need those?  Looks that way:

And:

The internet can be an excellent resource for image searching.

 

 

there is nothing inside the Hull that was placed there other than E4&E5, so are you saying that the E4 & E5 is in the wrong position and that it should be stuck more to the side of the deck piece and not under the deck piece right

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Posted by mfsob on Wednesday, March 29, 2023 10:57 AM

My experiences with ship modeling have been that they are NEVER "box shaker kits," where everything just falls cleanly into place. Not a reflection on the kit manufacturers, it just is.

That said, you may be at the "measure twice, cut once, beat into place" stage of the assembly. I had the same issue with my build of the ancient Revell Enterprise - the flight deck snuggled down beautifully and flatly when I was dry fitting everything, but one second after I had applied all the glue, it refused to sit down flush and tight. I ended up filling some gaps with strip styrene and calling it good.

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Posted by CapnMac82 on Wednesday, March 29, 2023 1:20 PM

michael151722
so are you saying that the E4 & E5 is in the wrong position

To be very precice, I'm saying they cannot be omitted, as they represent real parts of the ship.

The question I cannot answer is whether they are aligned in the right way to set the flight deck upon the hull.

It mat very well be that, despite the process shown in the instructions, they might have been better mounted after the flight deck went on the hull, and not before.

And that, if that were true, they might have wanted filing or trimming to fit properly.

This build review might be of some help (ignore all the additional detailing)
https://www.scalemodellingnow.com/maritimereview-tamiya-uss-enterprise-cvn65

This is a three minute video on the kit showing it assembled mostly
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4vVSBuDVNc

A you tube guy called Ivan the Terrible has a bunch of videos on his build, but he also heavily invested in additional features and custom work.

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Posted by michael151722 on Thursday, March 30, 2023 10:37 PM

CapnMac82

 

 
michael151722
so are you saying that the E4 & E5 is in the wrong position

 

To be very precice, I'm saying they cannot be omitted, as they represent real parts of the ship.

The question I cannot answer is whether they are aligned in the right way to set the flight deck upon the hull.

It mat very well be that, despite the process shown in the instructions, they might have been better mounted after the flight deck went on the hull, and not before.

And that, if that were true, they might have wanted filing or trimming to fit properly.

This build review might be of some help (ignore all the additional detailing)
https://www.scalemodellingnow.com/maritimereview-tamiya-uss-enterprise-cvn65

This is a three minute video on the kit showing it assembled mostly
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4vVSBuDVNc

A you tube guy called Ivan the Terrible has a bunch of videos on his build, but he also heavily invested in additional features and custom work.

 

 

yeah after some investigation I found that the obstruction is not from E4&E5 as they are built correctly after going through the manual and the YouTube videos, I feel like the obstruction is the object below E4&E5, in this case should I remove that and put it to a lower position, but that would be going away from the original build tho. Also the glue is on really tight (been in place for a year), and it's really hard to get that piece off, what's the best way to remove it without breaking things 

 

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Posted by michael151722 on Thursday, March 30, 2023 10:40 PM

Here is the pics 

 Obsturction seems to be A2&A16. Please help really need some help Obstruction

Thank you,

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Posted by armornut on Thursday, March 30, 2023 10:55 PM

    There needs to be a second opinion on this from another set of eyes, I could only get the instructions to zoom up alittle bit and cannot see full page.

    After looking clisely I do not think you made a mistake, I think the instructions are printed wrong. A2 and A16 appear to go on the aft right hand side, not foward left bow as arrow notes, misprint on the instructions lead you astray.

    As how to fix???? Surgery, a razor saw with very fine teeth. Scribe gently with tool or back of knife blade. 

     Good luck, and hopefully someone else will confirm my diagnosis. Sorry, and good luck.

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Posted by michael151722 on Thursday, March 30, 2023 11:28 PM

armornut

    There needs to be a second opinion on this from another set of eyes, I could only get the instructions to zoom up alittle bit and cannot see full page.

    After looking clisely I do not think you made a mistake, I think the instructions are printed wrong. A2 and A16 appear to go on the aft right hand side, not foward left bow as arrow notes, misprint on the instructions lead you astray.

    As how to fix???? Surgery, a razor saw with very fine teeth. Scribe gently with tool or back of knife blade. 

     Good luck, and hopefully someone else will confirm my diagnosis. Sorry, and good luck.

 

 

Hello, Thank you for your answer so you mean it's suppose to go on the other side? But even if I put it on the other side the same issue will happen as there is E4&E5 on other side too?

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Posted by Surface_Line on Friday, March 31, 2023 5:32 AM

Once you get the mating areas clear of obstructions, the deck may still not appear to mate properly to the upper edges of the hull.

Folks here have suggested using hot water to remove the warp from the flight deck.  In any case, I suggest that you glue one end, hold it together with clamps or cellophane tape (scotch tape) as the instructions direct, then, after that dries, move farther and glue a section and tape it.  Work your way all the way to the other end in this manner.

Good luck,
Rick

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Posted by armornut on Friday, March 31, 2023 8:32 AM

  Yes, there is a possiblity that the mistake occured earlier in the build, which lead to continued misplacement of parts.

    I REALLY hope someone else checks out your pictures of YOUR instructions as I think you made a very unfortunate mistake by not paying attention to the details.

    The pic that shows A2 and A16 being installed APPEARS to show an arrow pointing to the left and saying "bow" . If you look more closely at the drawing it ACTUALLY SHOWS the bow is to the right.

    I have a newer release of that kit so my instructions might be of no use for me to reference. Also it is buried in my storage unit. 

    Unless you are up to the task of searching back to see were things went wrong, then be willing and able to perform the required work to correct the mistake you have a very large and exspensive lesson in pay attention to the details.

      

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Posted by michael151722 on Friday, March 31, 2023 9:03 AM

armornut

  Yes, there is a possiblity that the mistake occured earlier in the build, which lead to continued misplacement of parts.

    I REALLY hope someone else checks out your pictures of YOUR instructions as I think you made a very unfortunate mistake by not paying attention to the details.

    The pic that shows A2 and A16 being installed APPEARS to show an arrow pointing to the left and saying "bow" . If you look more closely at the drawing it ACTUALLY SHOWS the bow is to the right.

    I have a newer release of that kit so my instructions might be of no use for me to reference. Also it is buried in my storage unit. 

    Unless you are up to the task of searching back to see were things went wrong, then be willing and able to perform the required work to correct the mistake you have a very large and exspensive lesson in pay attention to the details.

      

 

 

Hey man Thabks for your answers, I am willing to do the work to correct the mistake, but sorry English is not my native language so I want to be clear, so A2, should not be on the side I am building it? Than would it go on the other side or where should it go, sorry sometimes I am a little slow. 

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Posted by michael151722 on Friday, March 31, 2023 9:28 AM

armornut

  Yes, there is a possiblity that the mistake occured earlier in the build, which lead to continued misplacement of parts.

    I REALLY hope someone else checks out your pictures of YOUR instructions as I think you made a very unfortunate mistake by not paying attention to the details.

    The pic that shows A2 and A16 being installed APPEARS to show an arrow pointing to the left and saying "bow" . If you look more closely at the drawing it ACTUALLY SHOWS the bow is to the right.

    I have a newer release of that kit so my instructions might be of no use for me to reference. Also it is buried in my storage unit. 

    Unless you are up to the task of searching back to see were things went wrong, then be willing and able to perform the required work to correct the mistake you have a very large and exspensive lesson in pay attention to the details.

      

 

 

I have the online manual here https://www.tamiyausa.com/media/files/78007ml-872-e467.pdf

So as I said if what you mean from above is for all the A pieces to be re configured to the right side of the bow, but wouldn't the same problem exist as there is E4&E5 on the other side too? 

Also I found a YouTube vid of a build https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_zSKt1Z4d70, if you go to 3:07, it seems like the don't have the Apieces there on the left side?

 

Please Help!

 

Thank you 

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