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Dragon 1/350 Buchanan

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, December 26, 2008 10:34 AM
 EdGrune wrote:

 Tracy White wrote:
Yes, I was aware of that. I was posting Rick's information that no Benson/Gleaves carried the Hedgehog during the war, and that the closest you could come was the Mk 22.

And Ted Roscoe states in "US Destroyer Operations in WWII" that NO destroyers were equipped with Hedgehog, and that the equipment was primarily used on PF (frigates) and DE classes.

Are there any decent DE or frigate kits out there in 1/350th or larger???
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Posted by EdGrune on Friday, December 26, 2008 12:11 PM

Trumpeter's USS England is a Buckley-class DE equipped with a Hedgehog.  The Trump England is miles better than their USS The Sullivans.

Iron Shipwright makes a Tacoma-class frigate as the USS Burlington

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Posted by Tracy White on Saturday, December 27, 2008 7:35 PM

I've been working on my Trumpeter England off an on this week and I'll echo Ed's statement. It's not as good as the Dragon Buchanan, but I think I still would list it as my recommendation for a first ship due to it's cheaper cost and ease of build. The 20mm guns, for example, are way over scale, but would be much easier for a first-time builder to assemble.

ModelWarships has one in the gallery as HMS Duff:

http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery/ff/hms/duff-350-ch/ch-index.html

SteelNavy has two as well:

http://www.steelnavy.com/TrumpDonnellWDK.htm 

http://www.steelnavy.com/TrumpEnglandSHP.htm 

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, December 27, 2008 10:43 PM
 Tracy White wrote:

I've been working on my Trumpeter England off an on this week and I'll echo Ed's statement. It's not as good as the Dragon Buchanan, but I think I still would list it as my recommendation for a first ship due to it's cheaper cost and ease of build. The 20mm guns, for example, are way over scale, but would be much easier for a first-time builder to assemble.

ModelWarships has one in the gallery as HMS Duff:

http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery/ff/hms/duff-350-ch/ch-index.html

SteelNavy has two as well:

http://www.steelnavy.com/TrumpDonnellWDK.htm 

http://www.steelnavy.com/TrumpEnglandSHP.htm 

Cool...nice build-ups...reading about the "England's" record of sub-kills is impressive...the "hedgehog" in the kit isn't much to look at but, I guess for 350th scale whadddaya expect, huh?  Didn't Revell or Monogram put out a "Buckley" in a larger scale several years ago???
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Posted by Tracy White on Sunday, December 28, 2008 3:47 PM

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, December 28, 2008 4:44 PM
 Tracy White wrote:

Yes, in 1/240th scale. There was an article in one of the older FSM magazines about building one, but some exist at ModelWarships.com:

http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery/dd/de-51/240-sk/buckley-index.html

http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery/dd/de-51/240-ls/buckley-index.html

http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery/dd/de-51/240-bn/bn-index.html 

http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery/dd/de-51/240-cp2/de51-index.html

 

 

Thanks.  I noticed that there are some finished Dragon Buchanan's also on that website, some with the modified measure 42 camo scheme...does anyone know if there are going to be any AM masks for this measure for this kit available??????
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Posted by EdGrune on Sunday, December 28, 2008 6:14 PM

 Mansteins revenge wrote:
Thanks.  I noticed that there are some finished Dragon Buchanan's also on that website, some with the modified measure 42 camo scheme...does anyone know if there are going to be any AM masks for this measure for this kit available??????

Measure 42?   Do you mean Measure 12 Mod?

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, December 28, 2008 6:18 PM
 EdGrune wrote:

 Mansteins revenge wrote:
Thanks.  I noticed that there are some finished Dragon Buchanan's also on that website, some with the modified measure 42 camo scheme...does anyone know if there are going to be any AM masks for this measure for this kit available??????

Measure 42?   Do you mean Measure 12 Mod?

Yes, my bad....Measure 12 modified...or am I gonna have to free-hand it???
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Posted by Tracy White on Monday, December 29, 2008 2:23 AM

Kenny Loup of Gator's masks has two mask sets out; the original did not take the shape of the hull into consideration and when I brought it up he did a new set that sorta does.

The "problem" with Measure 12 Mod was that there were no design sheets, just a written description and "discussion" with a couple of examples. Thus, if you want to do a particular ship you need to find good photographs with both sides. I have this problem with my build of DD-486 Lansdowne; there are good photos of her port side, but none of her starboard and thus I probably will have to guess.

So Gator's masks will only work if you're doing Buchanan. Or you could read the January 2009 issue of FSM that has an article about using silly putty to do measure 12 mod.

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Posted by Antipodean Andy on Sunday, December 6, 2009 3:22 AM
Thanks for this thread, guys.  I'm looking at the Buchanan kit to represent one of the class that operated in the Atlantic (for the Battle of the Atlantic GB).  Found one on Internet Hobbies but will check Dragon.
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Posted by constructor on Sunday, December 6, 2009 5:26 PM
 ps1scw wrote:

Not PE, actual plastic, one of the guys actually comes in 2 pieces.  all enlisted w/helmets on.  some skylarking, others manning thier battlestation.

If they are serious about entering the 1/350 ship market, I really think that dragon can clean up if there were to issue: "underway watch" "working party" "manning the guns" etc. 1/350 crew members. 

 

I agree. The crew members really look good. This is far superior from the flat etched figures now in the market. They should have a complete generic set we can use for battleships and other surface ships.

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Posted by constructor on Sunday, December 6, 2009 5:39 PM
 drdull wrote:

Yeah - the Cyber PE for Buchanan was cheap with the pre-order.  I can't believe that they'd ask $86 for it.  Even the $26 seems high for what you get - railings and the pre-shaped fire control radar.  No ladders, no search radar, no depth charge racks, no platforms.  Unless they've added to the original, I'd be tempted to go with the generic DD/DE detail PE that I think is sold by Tom's.

I ordered my Dragon PE set from Sprue Brothers for $12.49. there is one more in their inventory as of last week.

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Posted by ps1scw on Wednesday, December 9, 2009 7:53 PM

I have this one waiting to kick off as well, it looks great, can't wait to get 10 min next week to open the box again, lol.  BTW I wonder if Dragon will come out with more 1/350 figure sets.

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Posted by stikpusher on Thursday, December 10, 2009 3:54 PM

Revell has the USS Buckley 1:249 slated for reissue in the 1st half of 2010.

 

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Posted by EdGrune on Thursday, December 10, 2009 4:05 PM

Bigger isn't always better.   The old Revell box-scale kits were great when they were new.   Now they are dated as technology has passed them by.   Even with aftermarket detail parts there is a good amount of destruction which must occur before construction can begin.

The Trumpeter 1:350 scale Buckley-class, sold as the USS England is an excellent kit.  It is much better than their USS The Sullivans of the same vintage.   With aftermarket PE it can be made into a stunning piece, without the need to remove much if any molded detail.

Trumpeter worked with PitRoad on this project.  PitRoad has put out a kit of the Cannon-class DE using the Trump England and adding a sprue of Cannon/Edsall-specific details (stack, guns, & tubs).

The Revell kits are good for nostalgia or as a basis for an otherwise non-existant subject.   But there are better, more up-to-date kits available.

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Posted by Tracy White on Thursday, December 10, 2009 4:34 PM

ps1scw
I wonder if Dragon will come out with more 1/350 figure sets.

I'm pushing for it but so far unsuccessfully. There are a couple of us who think their figures and weapons would sell like hot cakes but for the moment they are happy to keep them an item exclusive to their kits.

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