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    December 2009
Posted by brickshooter on Thursday, January 27, 2011 10:46 PM

Mike,


It's easier to point the Sotar.  I can use more wrist to go around small angles.   I think it's because the weight is on the ends of the Velocity, but you have to be more careful when using your wrist when spraying with the Velocity.  The Sotar is more of an extension of your hand rather than a piece of metal in your hand.

The trigger on the Sotar is far more responsive.  And more importantly, it's far more consistent.  I could control air with the trigger. Can't dot that with the Velocity.  I tried polishing the Velocity trigger several times.  But after some use, there's still a little catch as though the tigger didn't fit the brush as well.    With the Velocity, it's more of an "all or nothing pull."     I could really play with the Sotar trigger.

It's also easier to do a pencil line with zero overspray.  And if I do it on the Velocity, I need to really get close to the surface.  With the Sotar, I could do it 1 inch from the model.  This is important because I need to see where I'm spraying without the brush blocking my view.  And when drawing the outlines to a camo, it comes out smoother.

Speaking of which, not only is the cup smaller so I can see over it on the Sotar, it's a better design.   Paint flows into the brush better. When paint gets low and I'm spraying at odd angles, the curve of the Velocity cup sometimes catches the paint rather than spray it.  With the Sotar, if there's paint left, it's getting spraid.

We can dance around statistics, numbers and testimonies forever.  But  all I know is that when I'm doing details, I put down the Velocity.  And I pick up the Sotar because  I trust it more.

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  • From: Hayward, CA
Posted by Marine Sniper on Thursday, January 27, 2011 11:15 PM

That's cool Brickshooter as it's whatever works best for each individual.

I have the Sotar, Velocity and twelve other Badger and T&C airbrushes. Wink

Mike

 

 

 

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  • From: Virginia
Posted by Wingman_kz on Friday, January 28, 2011 1:13 AM

Coffee break's over boys, back on your heads...

Tony

            

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  • From: Windy city, US
Posted by keilau on Friday, January 28, 2011 7:07 AM

Marine Sniper

 keilau:

The HP-CS and Patriot is NOT even close in term of atomization and trigger operation. I also

Well you know what they say about opinions. Big Smile

Check out this thread for more opinion on Badger vs. Iwata. There are opinion based on facts and those based on wishful thinking.

One thing that don't like about the Badger needle is the fact that they chop off the 20% of the tip and make the taper into a dual cone. Don Wheeler suspects that they do it to protect the needle and doesn't believe it makes any difference. But I will rather have a straight taper on the needle. I don't really believe that one needs to micro polish the needle, but a discolored looking needle just doesn't look good and can make it more difficult to clean. I saw that in my Patriot needle and Don Wheeler reported similar observation. http://airbrushtips.110mb.com/Renegade%20Rage.html

 Don Wheeler is well respected reviewer on airbrush around here. I highly respect his opinion.

End of my input to this issue.

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    September 2010
  • From: Hayward, CA
Posted by Marine Sniper on Friday, January 28, 2011 11:11 AM

keilau

 Marine Sniper:

 keilau:

The HP-CS and Patriot is NOT even close in term of atomization and trigger operation. I also

Well you know what they say about opinions. Big Smile

 

Check out this thread for more opinion on Badger vs. Iwata. There are opinion based on facts and those based on wishful thinking.

One thing that don't like about the Badger needle is the fact that they chop off the 20% of the tip and make the taper into a dual cone. Don Wheeler suspects that they do it to protect the needle and doesn't believe it makes any difference. But I will rather have a straight taper on the needle. I don't really believe that one needs to micro polish the needle, but a discolored looking needle just doesn't look good and can make it more difficult to clean. I saw that in my Patriot needle and Don Wheeler reported similar observation. http://airbrushtips.110mb.com/Renegade%20Rage.html

 

Why don't you ask Ken Schlotfeldt himself if you want to know why the airbrush has a double taper?

End of my input to this issue.

Until the next time. You engineers overthink things too much. Stick out tongue

Don Wheeler is well respected reviewer on airbrush around here. I highly respect his opinion.

I used to be called the airbrush "guru" on here years ago as well but aparently my opinion matters little any longer.  Big SmileStick out tongue

Mike

 

 

 

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  • From: Fullerton, Calif.
Posted by Don Wheeler on Friday, January 28, 2011 11:21 AM

keilau

 

One thing that don't like about the Badger needle is the fact that they chop off the 20% of the tip and make the taper into a dual cone. Don Wheeler suspects that they do it to protect the needle and doesn't believe it makes any difference. But I will rather have a straight taper on the needle. I don't really believe that one needs to micro polish the needle, but a discolored looking needle just doesn't look good and can make it more difficult to clean. I saw that in my Patriot needle and Don Wheeler reported similar observation. http://airbrushtips.110mb.com/Renegade%20Rage.html

 Don Wheeler is well respected reviewer on airbrush around here. I highly respect his opinion.

Kei Lau,

That discolored needle was from an older used Badger 200 with an unknown history.  Who knows what it's been through?  Please get the details right.

The double taper comment was just a guess on my part.  It's actually a little more trouble to produce than a straight taper, so I assume it provides some advantage.

Don

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  • From: Fullerton, Calif.
Posted by Don Wheeler on Friday, January 28, 2011 11:25 AM

Marine Sniper

 

 

I used to be called the airbrush "guru" on here years ago as well but aparently my opinion matters little any longer.  Big SmileStick out tongue

Mike,

You're still the guru in my opinion.  You actually know how to use the thing.  I just enjoy taking them apart.

Don

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  • From: Hayward, CA
Posted by Marine Sniper on Friday, January 28, 2011 1:12 PM

Don Wheeler

 Marine Sniper:

 

 

I used to be called the airbrush "guru" on here years ago as well but aparently my opinion matters little any longer.  Big SmileStick out tongue

 

Mike,

You're still the guru in my opinion.  You actually know how to use the thing.  I just enjoy taking them apart.

Don

Thank You for the kind words Don but I don't consider myself a guru. That title would belong to Ken at Badger and a couple of others I know who have forgotten more than I know. Big Smile

 

Mike

 

 

 

  • Member since
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  • From: Windy city, US
Posted by keilau on Friday, January 28, 2011 9:40 PM

Don Wheeler

 keilau:

One thing that don't like about the Badger needle is the fact that they chop off the 20% of the tip and make the taper into a dual cone. Don Wheeler suspects that they do it to protect the needle and doesn't believe it makes any difference. But I will rather have a straight taper on the needle. I don't really believe that one needs to micro polish the needle, but a discolored looking needle just doesn't look good and can make it more difficult to clean. I saw that in my Patriot needle and Don Wheeler reported similar observation. http://airbrushtips.110mb.com/Renegade%20Rage.html

 Don Wheeler is well respected reviewer on airbrush around here. I highly respect his opinion.

 

Kei Lau,

That discolored needle was from an older used Badger 200 with an unknown history.  Who knows what it's been through?  Please get the details right.

I have seen only two Badger needles in person and they are the fine needles that come with my Patriot. They are brand new and have a greyish, grainy finish that is very different from other airbrush needle I have. The taper angle (or linear flow angle) is larger than any other airbrushes I have. I wonder what other Badger needles such as from Renegade or Sotar may look like.

I am sorry that I missed that the Badger 200 needle was an old, used one of unknown history.

Don Wheeler

The double taper comment was just a guess on my part.  It's actually a little more trouble to produce than a straight taper, so I assume it provides some advantage.

Don

The double taper of the Badger Patriot needle is fact. How it may affect the airbrush performance is just an opinion. Do the Renegade and Sotar needle have double taper too? How does Badger define the linear flow angle on a double taper needle?

I just noticed that Iwata, Harder & Steenbeck, Neo for Iwata and two made-in-China knock-offs all have single taper needles. Do most airbrush guru perfer single or double taper needle?

  • Member since
    October 2008
  • From: Fullerton, Calif.
Posted by Don Wheeler on Friday, January 28, 2011 11:14 PM

keilau

 

I just noticed that Iwata, Harder & Steenbeck, Neo for Iwata and two made-in-China knock-offs all have single taper needles. Do most airbrush guru perfer single or double taper needle?

If you look closely at the picture of the needle in my review of the Master G-22, you can see that it has a secondary taper.  I even mention it.  So does the needle in the Harbor Freight airbrush, although it is harder to see.  Both are made in China.

Sorry, I have no idea which type needle is preferred by airbrush gurus.

We've kind of gotten off subject, haven't we.

Don

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  • From: Windy city, US
Posted by keilau on Friday, January 28, 2011 11:33 PM

Don Wheeler

We've kind of gotten off subject, haven't we.

Don

Yes, we are now. Both you and I were trying to answer Chris' question on airhose connection and leaks to help him out until we got sidetracked.

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