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Eaglecash867

Very cool to see that you're happy with your new H, Bakster!

Thank you, sir!

Eaglecash867

You'll actually be able to enjoy airbrushing now, instead of fighting things all the time.

Exactly. You wrote in another post about how quick your AB sessions are when you use this brush. You know, I noticed the same? I could not believe how quick it went for me. Actual spray time was probably not more than 5 minutes. There was no fighting the paint, and no drawn out going line by line coverage. It was quick swaths and I was done. 

I love it. Like we talked, maybe now, I can get more joy in my modeling. 

Bakster

 

 

oldermodelguy

You should be pleased with that finish.Maybe I missed in all our back and forth it but what paint is the base coat ?

 

 

 

 

Thank you.

The paint I used is linked below. It sprayed nice, and I thinned it with Mr Color Leveling thinner.

https://spraygunner.com/gsi-creos-mr-color-model-paint-gloss-green/

 

 

 

I forgot to mention that I primed it with Mr Finishing Surfacer 1500. I sanded the primer and I lightly sanded the color coat as well. I am a big advocate of keeping each layer smooth.

https://spraygunner.com/gsi-creos-mr-finishing-surfacer-1500-white/

I know there are many good folk that use Future and probably love using Future with good result. I say, more power to you! Keep on truckin!

But, keeping to my promise, I already see evidence of spiderwebbing. For my purposes, where I'd like to use it as a gloss, I just can't get there. The strange thing is is that I can flow the stuff on, and even dip it, and I have not seen this happen before. I toss it into an airbrush, and crazy things happen. So, in my world, I have to reach for something else when I spray a gloss. I still love the stuff for setting clear parts or perhaps dipping clear parts, or maybe even flowing it onto a piece to smooth a rough texture. 

Just an FYI.

Wow, that almost looks like a form of sand scratch swelling or even incompatability. I have to say I've never seen that from future/Pledge( I've most often seen it from hot lacquer and have a sincere dislike border line hate for it lol). I also haven't used it in a long time on a model, I do use it in test shoots where I shot flat paint and think of it as a base coat and want a quick look at how it would look in gloss. But on a model I use Tamiya acrylic or one of various lacquers I have as my clear if to use clear at al ( on vintage cars I prefer no clear coat). And I shoot Pledge straight from the bottle, no thinning.

Now all that said all my paints after put down to model parts go into the dehydrator, so no multi days of underlying cure times. As sand scratch swelling can occur if the layers of paint below are not well cured. And dry to the touch doesn't have to mean well cured. I feel thinner paints with more coats to gain gloss does better than a couple blasts of thicker paints as well in reducing this phenomenon.

Just some thoughts.

I have had spiderwebbing with Future consistently, even on Tamiya paint that had cured for 3 weeks.  Pretty sure the differences in peoples' experiences with it are due to the formula having been changed at some point recently.  I won't even use the stuff for dipping canopies anymore because it also has adverse reactions with liquid maskers...almost ruined my meticulously masked and painted F-16 canopy (two different masking and painting sessions to simulate the bead of sealant between the canopy and frame) because I had dipped the canopy in Future after removing the parting line down the middle.  Cleaning it up with Windex at that point also wasn't an option, because it would have damaged the paint.  Took a VERY long time with a Novus kit to polish all of that garbage off of there, and then I found I liked the look of a Novus-polished canopy MUCH better anyway.

oldermodelguy

Wow, that almost looks like a form of sand scratch swelling or even incompatability. I have to say I've never seen that from future/Pledge( I've most often seen it from hot lacquer and have a sincere dislike border line hate for it lol). I also haven't used it in a long time on a model, I do use it in test shoots where I shot flat paint and think of it as a base coat and want a quick look at how it would look in gloss. But on a model I use Tamiya acrylic or one of various lacquers I have as my clear if to use clear at al ( on vintage cars I prefer no clear coat). And I shoot Pledge straight from the bottle, no thinning.

Now all that said all my paints after put down to model parts go into the dehydrator, so no multi days of underlying cure times. As sand scratch swelling can occur if the layers of paint below are not well cured. And dry to the touch doesn't have to mean well cured. I feel thinner paints with more coats to gain gloss does better than a couple blasts of thicker paints as well in reducing this phenomenon.

Just some thoughts.

 

Good thoughts. Just some added information:

1. The base is Tamiya Gloss Black

2. In this case the base had only a day or two to dry but in another case, it was a few weeks. My first thought was that yeah, maybe the base was not fully cured, then I considered the first experience. And now reading Eaglecash's experience, it is looking like maybe it's not just curing time. 

3. I call it Future for simplicity but yes, this is the Floor Care version about a year to two old.

4. Over time I expect that the fracturing on this piece will get even worse. I had noticed that on the first test spoon mentioned. In that case, I think the base was an enamel.

It's another mystery. 

Eaglecash867

I won't even use the stuff for dipping canopies anymore because it also has adverse reactions with liquid maskers...almost ruined my meticulously masked and painted F-16 canopy (two different masking and painting sessions to simulate the bead of sealant between the canopy and frame) because I had dipped the canopy in Future after removing the parting line down the middle.  Cleaning it up with Windex at that point also wasn't an option, because it would have damaged the paint.  Took a VERY long time with a Novus kit to polish all of that garbage off

That is a bummer to hear and it would have been maddening to have happen. Sounds like a good Novus polish is the way to go.

I haven't had this problem but my pledge is probably 5-6 years old if not more. So the formula certainly could have changed since then.

Eaglecash867

I won't even use the stuff for dipping canopies anymore

Agree.  It's a shortcut with serious limitations.  

Well, I did some upgrades.

I heard a guy say that over time the plastic handles will degrade if exposed to a lot of lacquer thinner and such. I am not the kind of person to replace something that is not broken yet. 

What can I say. Sometimes, I like to splurge on an anodized aluminum handle that looks cool.

I had a thought. What is the smallest paint jar that I can find for this AB? Well, as far as commercially available, the smallest I could find was a half ounce. I bought it. Still, I would like something smaller, in the range of like a Model Master jar. As luck would have it, I still had a few of them laying around, but what about the tube assembly? Can I find something that will work? That I could drill the cap and install? I began searching the net when I had an epiphany. I wonder if the half oz jar lid would fit the model master jar? To the dungeon I go. I try it, what a stroke of luck... it works.

I dump the contents, rinse the jar, and soak it overnight to help with removal of the label.

From left to right: 1 OZ, 1/2 OZ, 1/4 fluid OZ and then the side cup which I believe they say is also 1/4 OZ.

Why do I want such a small jar? Why is because I seldom use the larger jars. I most often use the side cup. The side cup is fine, but I'd like something a little more self-contained. This would also be a nice solution to my mixing color at the bench. I can mix it in the jar, screw the lid on, and attach it to the AB. Sweet deal.

And there it is, system is complete. 

Sorry. I have nothing better to post right now, hence all this.

As to the plastic handle. My old Badger 200 has one too. The chrome is wearing off the body on that airbrush, it for 40 years only ever saw enamels and lacquer paints always cleaned up with Dupont 3661 lacquer thinner or acetone but the handle is fine. I expect no less from the Paasche plastic handle. Course I never soaked the plastic handles of either brush in lacquer thinner. From what I understand the newer 200s come with metal though. No matter to me. Course that's me and not anyone elses take on it. If someone wants a metal handle so be it.

My H has had its original handle for 35 years and has not had a single issue with breaking down or degrading.  I wonder what some of those users posting on-line are doing with their H's to get lacquer thinners on the handle.  If mine ever gets paint on it (which it almost never does), I just wipe it off with a paper towel dipped in isopropyl alcohol.  The main body of it still has all of its chrome plating.  The parts that come into contact with paint as part of their normal function are the only ones that get soaked in any harsh solvents.  Their chrome usually takes 2 or 3 years to wear off, and a complete replacement set of the needle, air cap, and color cup costs about 8 bucks.  I see a lot of crazy stuff in some of those airbrushing videos on YouTube that makes no sense at all.

Yeah guys, I understand.. I feel as well the handle issue was just a bunch of malarkey. My reason for getting the metal one was aesthetic only, and I feel it dresses it up nicely. That is all it was. Just like the jar thing. Not neccesarily necessary but it was a fun thing to do. But in the case of the jars, I think they will serve my purpose well.

The point of the post was I am having fun with it. But I understand the point of the handle issue malarkey.

After almost 50 years of airbrushing I finally upgraded my airbrushes with quick disconnect nipples lol. And settled on one hose, the 1/8" one I had. So the Paasche and Badger needed adapters to 1/8 but the Ganzton Iwata knock off did not. Did I have to do that ? No but felt like it.

oldermodelguy

After almost 50 years of airbrushing I finally upgraded my airbrushes with quick disconnect nipples lol. And settled on one hose, the 1/8" one I had. So the Paasche and Badger needed adapters to 1/8 but the Ganzton Iwata knock off did not. Did I have to do that ? No but felt like it.

 

Yea! Now that is what I am talking about! Lol.

Good job, sir!

I've got quick-disconnects on my airbrushes too.  They make things so much easier. 

Eaglecash867

I've got quick-disconnects on my airbrushes too.  They make things so much easier. 

 

You know, I want to do this too, but I am not sure what to get. I need fittings for Badger and now the Paasche H.

A few months back I called an airbrush supplier for help. The guy goes, "Badger? We have not sold Badger in several years."

I say, Well, don't you have a crossrefernce to the correct fittings? He says, no.

I dropped it there and thought, ok dude, you lost a sale now and in the future. The thing is, I bought the Badger brush from them. Whatever.

Bakster

 

 

Eaglecash867

I've got quick-disconnects on my airbrushes too.  They make things so much easier. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You know, I want to do this too, but I am not sure what to get. I need fittings for Badger and now the Paasche H.

A few months back I called an airbrush supplier for help. The guy goes, "Badger? We have not sold Badger in several years."

I say, Well, don't you have a crossrefernce to the correct fittings? He says, no.

I dropped it there and thought, ok dude, you lost a sale now and in the future. The thing is, I bought the Badger brush from them. Whatever.

 

 

I got everything through Amazon. The disconnect coupler through them comes from TCP Global, I think it was listed as Master but the blister pack didn't say that.. Anyway it's just a standard 1/8 disconnect. The nipples come in a three pack for 1/8" and the adapters are $7 and change each but I bought a multi pack for the same price that included Badger to 1/8, Paasche to 1/8 and Aztek to 1/8. I'll never use the Aztek but never say never I suppose. And I already had a nipple for the Ganzton. So that leaves me with an extra.

There are other combos you can make up. I had the 1/8 hose though. And I may buy an Iwata some day which the connector on those is called Iwata but it too is actually 1/8.

oldermodelguy

 

 

Bakster

 

 

Eaglecash867

I've got quick-disconnects on my airbrushes too.  They make things so much easier. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You know, I want to do this too, but I am not sure what to get. I need fittings for Badger and now the Paasche H.

A few months back I called an airbrush supplier for help. The guy goes, "Badger? We have not sold Badger in several years."

I say, Well, don't you have a crossrefernce to the correct fittings? He says, no.

I dropped it there and thought, ok dude, you lost a sale now and in the future. The thing is, I bought the Badger brush from them. Whatever.

 

 

 

 

 

I got everything through Amazon. The disconnect coupler through them comes from TCP Global, I think it was listed as Master but the blister pack didn't say that.. Anyway it's just a standard 1/8 disconnect. The nipples come in a three pack for 1/8" and the adapters are $7 and change each but I bought a multi pack for the same price that included Badger to 1/8, Paasche to 1/8 and Aztek to 1/8. I'll never use the Aztek but never say never I suppose. And I already had a nipple for the Ganzton. So that leaves me with an extra.

There are other combos you can make up. I had the 1/8 hose though. And I may buy an Iwata some day which the connector on those is called Iwata but it too is actually 1/8.

 

Are these what I need then?

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B004WOSR14/ref=cm_wl_huc_continue

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B001MKGOUM/ref=sspa_dk_detail_0?psc=1&pd_rd_i=B001MKGOUM&pd_rd_w=mkdbp&pf_rd_p=57cbdc41-b731-4e3d-aca7-49078b13a07b&pd_rd_wg=4w63f&pf_rd_r=7ZJDGCH1PWPC5PCB94BH&pd_rd_r=ea6b3695-baad-4d2a-a754-5148f0f4d427&s=home-garden&smid=A23ADOZFIJNPFB&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUEyVlA3UVZaMEVONk9MJmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwMDA0Mjc0M1I1UVJRWVFVWVdZTSZlbmNyeXB0ZWRBZElkPUExMDQ2MDM4MjY0Q0EzSjRLSzdFMyZ3aWRnZXROYW1lPXNwX2RldGFpbF90aGVtYXRpYyZhY3Rpb249Y2xpY2tSZWRpcmVjdCZkb05vdExvZ0NsaWNrPXRydWU=

Thanks in advance.

Bakster

 

 

oldermodelguy

 

 

Bakster

 

 

Eaglecash867

I've got quick-disconnects on my airbrushes too.  They make things so much easier. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You know, I want to do this too, but I am not sure what to get. I need fittings for Badger and now the Paasche H.

A few months back I called an airbrush supplier for help. The guy goes, "Badger? We have not sold Badger in several years."

I say, Well, don't you have a crossrefernce to the correct fittings? He says, no.

I dropped it there and thought, ok dude, you lost a sale now and in the future. The thing is, I bought the Badger brush from them. Whatever.

 

 

 

 

 

I got everything through Amazon. The disconnect coupler through them comes from TCP Global, I think it was listed as Master but the blister pack didn't say that.. Anyway it's just a standard 1/8 disconnect. The nipples come in a three pack for 1/8" and the adapters are $7 and change each but I bought a multi pack for the same price that included Badger to 1/8, Paasche to 1/8 and Aztek to 1/8. I'll never use the Aztek but never say never I suppose. And I already had a nipple for the Ganzton. So that leaves me with an extra.

There are other combos you can make up. I had the 1/8 hose though. And I may buy an Iwata some day which the connector on those is called Iwata but it too is actually 1/8.

 

 

 

 

Are these what I need then?

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B004WOSR14/ref=cm_wl_huc_continue

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B001MKGOUM/ref=sspa_dk_detail_0?psc=1&pd_rd_i=B001MKGOUM&pd_rd_w=mkdbp&pf_rd_p=57cbdc41-b731-4e3d-aca7-49078b13a07b&pd_rd_wg=4w63f&pf_rd_r=7ZJDGCH1PWPC5PCB94BH&pd_rd_r=ea6b3695-baad-4d2a-a754-5148f0f4d427&s=home-garden&smid=A23ADOZFIJNPFB&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUEyVlA3UVZaMEVONk9MJmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwMDA0Mjc0M1I1UVJRWVFVWVdZTSZlbmNyeXB0ZWRBZElkPUExMDQ2MDM4MjY0Q0EzSjRLSzdFMyZ3aWRnZXROYW1lPXNwX2RldGFpbF90aGVtYXRpYyZhY3Rpb249Y2xpY2tSZWRpcmVjdCZkb05vdExvZ0NsaWNrPXRydWU=

Thanks in advance.

 

 

Then you need the adapters 1/8 male to Badger female and 1/8 male to Paasche female if you're doing both your airbrushes. I bought a set though that left me with the orphaned Aztek adapter lol:

oldermodelguy

 

 

Bakster

 

 

oldermodelguy

 

 

Bakster

 

 

Eaglecash867

I've got quick-disconnects on my airbrushes too.  They make things so much easier. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You know, I want to do this too, but I am not sure what to get. I need fittings for Badger and now the Paasche H.

A few months back I called an airbrush supplier for help. The guy goes, "Badger? We have not sold Badger in several years."

I say, Well, don't you have a crossrefernce to the correct fittings? He says, no.

I dropped it there and thought, ok dude, you lost a sale now and in the future. The thing is, I bought the Badger brush from them. Whatever.

 

 

 

 

 

I got everything through Amazon. The disconnect coupler through them comes from TCP Global, I think it was listed as Master but the blister pack didn't say that.. Anyway it's just a standard 1/8 disconnect. The nipples come in a three pack for 1/8" and the adapters are $7 and change each but I bought a multi pack for the same price that included Badger to 1/8, Paasche to 1/8 and Aztek to 1/8. I'll never use the Aztek but never say never I suppose. And I already had a nipple for the Ganzton. So that leaves me with an extra.

There are other combos you can make up. I had the 1/8 hose though. And I may buy an Iwata some day which the connector on those is called Iwata but it too is actually 1/8.

 

 

 

 

Are these what I need then?

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B004WOSR14/ref=cm_wl_huc_continue

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B001MKGOUM/ref=sspa_dk_detail_0?psc=1&pd_rd_i=B001MKGOUM&pd_rd_w=mkdbp&pf_rd_p=57cbdc41-b731-4e3d-aca7-49078b13a07b&pd_rd_wg=4w63f&pf_rd_r=7ZJDGCH1PWPC5PCB94BH&pd_rd_r=ea6b3695-baad-4d2a-a754-5148f0f4d427&s=home-garden&smid=A23ADOZFIJNPFB&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUEyVlA3UVZaMEVONk9MJmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwMDA0Mjc0M1I1UVJRWVFVWVdZTSZlbmNyeXB0ZWRBZElkPUExMDQ2MDM4MjY0Q0EzSjRLSzdFMyZ3aWRnZXROYW1lPXNwX2RldGFpbF90aGVtYXRpYyZhY3Rpb249Y2xpY2tSZWRpcmVjdCZkb05vdExvZ0NsaWNrPXRydWU=

Thanks in advance.

 

 

 

 

 

Then you need the adapters 1/8 male to Badger female and 1/8 male to Paasche female if you're doing both your airbrushes. I bought a set though that left me with the orphaned Aztek adapter lol:

 

 

You lost me there. Did some searches and nothing is jumping out at me. Unless someone can point me to it, I'll have to punt. In the end it's probably not that big a deal for me to have. It'd be nice but I kind of think the H will be my workhorse anyhow. I don't foresee a lot of switching.

Bakster

You lost me there. Did some searches and nothing is jumping out at me. Unless someone can point me to it, I'll have to punt. In the end it's probably not that big a deal for me to have. It'd be nice but I kind of think the H will be my workhorse anyhow. I don't foresee a lot of switching.

Hah ! Then you could get the adapter to go from Paasche to Badger lol. Not to confuse you more.

oldermodelguy

hen maybe just a Paasche disconnect would do you fine. Put that on your Paasche hose. It should come with the Nipple for Paasche airbrush. It ( the whole unit for paasche hose and airbrush) would be a Paasche A-191. Amazon gouges on that, you might do better with SprayGunner or somewhere

I noticed a local hobby store has the A191 for 11 and change. I am struggling to understand how this will benefit me. Unless I'd be disconnecting for cleaning or something. But I dont usually disconnect unless to change guns.

oldermodelguy

Hah ! Then you could get the adapter to go from Paasche to Badger lol. Not to confuse you more. Add

Egads. Yeah you are not helping with the confusion. Lol

Is this the adapter set you were talking about that I need?

https://www.amazon.com/HUBEST-Airbrush-Adaptor-Fitting-Paasche/dp/B07KHP5Z78/ref=sr_1_11?keywords=badger+airbrush+hose&qid=1645848636&sr=8-11

Bakster

Is this the adapter set you were talking about that I need?

https://www.amazon.com/HUBEST-Airbrush-Adaptor-Fitting-Paasche/dp/B07KHP5Z78/ref=sr_1_11?keywords=badger+airbrush+hose&qid=1645848636&sr=8-11

 

Nevermind, I am going a different way. I will get the Paasche disconect from my LHS, then order the badger adapters and extra Paasche nipples through Spray Gunner.

Thanks for suggesting this because I think this the better way to go, and the cheaper way to go.

I finally figured this out. Lol.

Bakster

 

 

Bakster

Is this the adapter set you were talking about that I need?

https://www.amazon.com/HUBEST-Airbrush-Adaptor-Fitting-Paasche/dp/B07KHP5Z78/ref=sr_1_11?keywords=badger+airbrush+hose&qid=1645848636&sr=8-11

 

 

 

 

Nevermind, I am going a different way. I will get the Paasche disconect from my LHS, then order the badger adapters and extra Paasche nipples through Spray Gunner.

Thanks for suggesting this because I think this the better way to go, and the cheaper way to go.

I finally figured this out. Lol.

 

I'm glad I suggested the Passche coupler as well, it's a cleaner approach for you. In my case I have the 1/8" hose and gun so I needed to fit three airbrushes each with it's own thread. Also my 1/8 hose is a little longer than my Paasche hose. And my Badger hose is vinyl.

Additionally for me it works well to be able to interchange brushes smoothly since I use them not just for models but also art work.

But anyway yes that was the set of adapters I ordered and am using.

oldermodelguy

 I'm glad I suggested the Passche coupler as well, it's a cleaner approach for you. In my case I have the 1/8" hose and gun so I needed to fit three airbrushes each with it's own thread. Also my 1/8 hose is a little longer than my Paasche hose. And my Badger hose is vinyl.

Additionally for me it works well to be able to interchange brushes smoothly since I use them not just for models but also art work.

But anyway yes that was the set of adapters I ordered and am using.

 

Anyway, I will be spraying some parts today using my new brush and new jar. I have high expectations that it will be a grand time!

Bakster

 

 

oldermodelguy

 I'm glad I suggested the Passche coupler as well, it's a cleaner approach for you. In my case I have the 1/8" hose and gun so I needed to fit three airbrushes each with it's own thread. Also my 1/8 hose is a little longer than my Paasche hose. And my Badger hose is vinyl.

Additionally for me it works well to be able to interchange brushes smoothly since I use them not just for models but also art work.

But anyway yes that was the set of adapters I ordered and am using.

 

 

 

 

Thanks for the help! You know, if you don't mind, I'd like your first name so I can address you in a more friendly way. Using Oldermodelguy is a lot to type! Lol.  Same with you Eaglecash. I would like your first name too. I would have asked this long ago if the PM thing worked. Sigh.

 

Anyway, I will be spraying some parts today using my new brush and new jar. I have high expectations that it will be a grand time!

 

 

I hope your spraying goes well today.

Most here call me OMG. In face to face life, friends, aquaintances and family call me David or Dave. Any of the above is fine by me.

oldermodelguy

 

I hope your spraying goes well today.

Most here call me OMG. In face to face life, friends, aquaintances and family call me David or Dave. Any of the above is fine by me.

 

Update: I absolutely LOVE THIS BRUSH!  I have never had such an easy time of it. The paint went on wet with good coverage. The paint was Mr Color lacquer thinned with Mr Color Leveling Thinner, the pressure about 25 pounds. Spraying went flawlessly. And I like how my new holders performed too. The wash bottles were great in the cleaning process too. I have that down to near a science.

There was just one near miss. And that is, I near ran out of paint. With all the practicing and such, what I had left was not much. Towards the end I had to go back to the paint jar, add some thinner, all the while scraping the bottom of the jar to collect some paint. Adding that to the side cup was just enough to finish the job. It was THAT close, or I would have had to order another bottle. That would have sucked. And since I was so low on paint I opted not to use the paint jar. 

That is the latest....

One thing about lacquer is you can always stretch it out a bit with more thinning. At least to a point.