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1/48 Hasegawa F-22A Raptor WIP

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Posted by bvallot on Saturday, June 28, 2014 2:55 PM

Definitely looking forward to this one.  =]  I've heard all the same and have been dying to do one eventually one of these days...but with a lot of reluctance.  I hope you can put that to ease.

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Tamiya F4U-1  Kenneth Walsh

 

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Posted by Fly-n-hi on Saturday, June 28, 2014 3:18 PM

bvallot

Definitely looking forward to this one.  =]  I've heard all the same and have been dying to do one eventually one of these days...but with a lot of reluctance.  I hope you can put that to ease.

Well, heck, for 20 something bucks you really can't go wrong.  In fact, I saw one on eBay last night with a bid of $16 including S&H I think.  And you really don't need the AM stuff.  The details in the kit parts are pretty decent.  

The only AM replacement that might be the most beneficial would be some resin wheels...which I did get.  The kit wheels are kinda sterile.  And maybe the resin exhaust if you plan on displaying it with the vectoring nozzles open.  Although I did get the PE details for the exhaust area.

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Posted by Fly-n-hi on Saturday, June 28, 2014 3:26 PM

Speaking of resin wheels I'm using the Brassin wheels/tires to replace the boring kit wheels/tires.  These are really nice and have very good detail:

cml
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Posted by cml on Saturday, June 28, 2014 6:50 PM

I'm looking forward to watching this WIP progress!

Chris

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Posted by Rob S. on Saturday, June 28, 2014 6:53 PM

Yup, me too...this one'e on my hit list.

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Posted by DWood538 on Saturday, June 28, 2014 8:26 PM

YESSSSSSSSS! I've been dying for someone on here to do a WIP for the raptor. If it's going to be anything like your other builds, I'm in for a treat. I have this kit in my stash but I'm holding off until I'm confident I'll do it justice. I will be watching closely

-Derek

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Posted by Fly-n-hi on Saturday, June 28, 2014 11:46 PM

Thanks guys!  I will try not to disappoint!

I should mention that I'm going to build this F-22 with the weapons bays closed.  I am doing this because I think the F-22 has way better lines when the bay doors are closed.  After all, this is a stealth fighter, right?  Plus, you really don't ever see the F-22s parked on the ramp with all the doors open and missiles hanging out.   One benefit is that it will save alot of work.  Another benefit is that I will have six spare AIM-120C AMRAAMs and two spare AIM-9Xs.

And yes, I am going to try some weathering.  I've come across some pics of F-22s that are surprisingly dirty.

Before I glued the doors in place I had to install the weapons bays:

In the pic above you can see that I've also attached the guide/reinforcement pieces that align and join the upper and lower fuselage halves.  What I did was I attached 1 or 2 of the parts at a time.  As the glue dried I dry fitted the upper fuselage half to the lower fuselage half to assure that the alignment parts were seated perfectly.  This worked out very well.

Here are the doors glued in place:

The doors did not fit perfectly into their spaces.  I had to use a bit of filler to get rid of some gaps.  I used Aves Apoxie Sculpt to do this.  After applying the Aves I wiped away the excess with a cotton swab dipped in Alcohol.  Otherwise the doors are reasonably flush with the outer skin.

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Posted by Devil Dawg on Sunday, June 29, 2014 9:49 PM

Fly-n-hi

Speaking of resin wheels I'm using the Brassin wheels/tires to replace the boring kit wheels/tires.  These are really nice and have very good detail:

Looking forward to seeing this one, Fly. Are the Eduard wheels and tires separate pieces, or are you just that good at painting them? If they're separate, I'm definitely gonna start buying them instead of trying to paint them......

Devil Dawg

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Posted by Fly-n-hi on Sunday, June 29, 2014 10:03 PM

Devil Dawg

Looking forward to seeing this one, Fly. Are the Eduard wheels and tires separate pieces, or are you just that good at painting them? If they're separate, I'm definitely gonna start buying them instead of trying to paint them......

Thanks Devil!  I hate to sound boastful but I'm pretty good at painting them.  

I start off by painting them Mr.Color Tire Black (C137).  Then I paint the treads something close to Dark Gull Grey (C317) to make them look dirty.  Then I cut out my own circular masks using a drafting circle template and a sharp #11 blade.  I have US and Metric templates to cover as many sizes as possible.  Then I paint the wheels white.  Lately I've been using Mr. Color C316 which has a slight off-white color instead of plain gloss white (C1)...but these wheels were painted with regular C1 white.  I'm not sure why I did that but I don't feel like re-doing them.

And, of course, I'll give them a wash once I have the wheel wells painted.

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Posted by Fly-n-hi on Tuesday, July 1, 2014 12:25 PM

Here's a small unexciting update.  

I've assembled the vertical stabilizers.  Hasegawa's offering here is way better than Academy's.  The stabs are very thin and much more accurate than the thick Academy stabs.  But the way they chose to separate these two parts makes it a little tricky to sand seamless.  Here you can sort of see the parts:

Here they are attached, filled with Mr Surfacer and sanded seamlessly:

Unfortunately, I did sand out just a little of the raised detail.  This may not really be an issue, though, because of the way these parts will be painted.  There will be a light grey "outline" on the parts and the edge of the grey almost exactly follows the raised detail that was lost. It shouldn't be a problem.

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Posted by Fly-n-hi on Tuesday, July 1, 2014 12:28 PM

I was playing around and dry fitting the canopy to the fuselage part.  I couldn't believe how precise the fit was!  This is the tightest fitting canopy I've ever seen on a model.  When I rub my finger across it I can't feel any seams!  It almost makes me want to pose her with the canopy closed since this happens so rarely!

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Posted by Tojo72 on Tuesday, July 1, 2014 2:17 PM

Looks great,I did this on a few years ago,a great kit with no build issues at all.Have fun and looking forward to more.

Should have left that loaded missile bay open,it looks real impressive Cool

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Posted by Fly-n-hi on Tuesday, July 1, 2014 2:50 PM

Tojo72

Looks great,I did this on a few years ago,a great kit with no build issues at all.Have fun and looking forward to more.

Should have left that loaded missile bay open,it looks real impressive Cool

Thanks, Tojo!  I already built an Academy F-22 with the bays open so I want a closed one this time.

Here's the Academy F-22 that I build about 3 years ago.  I think I can do alot better today:

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Posted by Tojo72 on Tuesday, July 1, 2014 4:01 PM

Nice work in there indeed,very nice.The Hasegawa kit goes together like butter for sure!!

cml
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Posted by cml on Tuesday, July 1, 2014 5:36 PM

That canopy does look nice! I don't think i've ever had a kit where the canopy cleanly fitted before.

Nice Academy build too.

Chris

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Posted by lawdog114 on Tuesday, July 1, 2014 7:21 PM

I'm not much into to modern stuff, but I look foward to this one.....and how are you going to improve on that Academy Raptor which looks perfect to me.....

Joe

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Posted by Fly-n-hi on Tuesday, July 1, 2014 11:37 PM

lawdog114

I'm not much into to modern stuff, but I look foward to this one.....and how are you going to improve on that Academy Raptor which looks perfect to me.....

Joe

Thanks alot, Joe!  I'll make you a deal...you make something modern and I'll make something from WWIIWink.  We'll get out of our comfort zones.

I think I've gotten alot better at weathering and detailing my models over the past year or two.  I feel like my Academy F-22 is just a bit sterile.  Don't get me wrong, though.  I'm happy with the it turned out.  I believe I did a good job performing all the basics like filling seams, painting, etc.  And at the time that was really about the best I could have done.  I just feel like the stuff I'm making today is a bit more interesting to look at.

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Posted by lawdog114 on Tuesday, July 1, 2014 11:53 PM

Fly-n-hi

lawdog114

Thanks alot, Joe!  I'll make you a deal...you make something modern and I'll make something from WWIIWink.  We'll get out of our comfort zones.

 

Hummmmmmmmmmm.......ok deal Yes....how modern do I have to go?  Something in current service or can it be retired, like the Tomcat?

Joe

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Posted by Fly-n-hi on Wednesday, July 2, 2014 12:04 AM

lawdog114

Hummmmmmmmmmm.......ok deal Yes....how modern do I have to go?  Something in current service or can it be retired, like the Tomcat?

Joe

Heck, I'd say anything from the 1970s and forward would be considered modern.  I'd definitely put the F-14 in the modern category.

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Posted by Fly-n-hi on Wednesday, July 2, 2014 1:01 AM

Ok, are you guys ready for the million dollar update?  This might be the new standard when it comes to these Hasegawa F-22 intakes.

I've figured out how to deal with these very oddly shaped intakes.  You see, since they have such a large bend in them and since the white part of the intakes starts fairly far back inside those intakes it will be quite challenging to paint them.

So here's what I did.  I assembled the intakes and used Mr. Surfacer 500 along the seams to fill them.  Then I glued a piece of foam backed sanding pad to a small dowel rod and sanded out the seam.  This isn't the million dollar tip, btw. Here's what I'm talking about:

I didn't actually take any pics of the intake assemble and clean up but I think you get the idea.  

Ok, here's the million dollar tip:  I used my razor saw and cut off the front end of the intake.  These pics show the painted intakes already.  Again, I forgot and only took pics after it was all done.  Although you can see some of the Mr. Surfacer in the pic below.

After cutting of the forward part of the intakes I used the "dump & pour" method of painting them.  I sealed off the back ends of the intakes with tape, poured some Behr High Gloss Interior/Exterior paint in them and then poured out the paint...and removed the tape, of course.  Actually, I didn't really pour it in.  I used some small squirt bottles that I bought at Hobby Lobby.

Here's a good shot of how the Behr paint turned out:

The Behr enamel paint is great because it holds up pretty well to sanding if you have any flaws in the paint.  Alot of people use latex paint but it rolls up if you try to sand it.

Now its important to note that I cut the forward part of the intakes using the outside lines as a guide (I don't have any good pics of this yet but I'll edit this update when I do).  This is important for two reasons.  First, that's just about where the white part of the paint starts and second the intake isn't getting bigger or smaller at this location.  This means that when you re attach these parts they will have the same surface area (or profile, if you wish) to attach to.  Don't forget, you loose just a little bit of plastic from the saw.  If the parts were getting wider or narrower then there would end up being a very slight step at the join.  Does this make sense?

Here's how they look loosely assembled:

Here's how they look loosely inserted in the fuselage.  And yes, they fit just about as well as they did before they were cut:

It takes a little bit of guts to cut the parts but I think its gonna end up working out great.  Obviously, I still need to sand and fill the joins where the intakes meet the fuselage parts.  But this should be a piece of cake.  And even if I have to mask the white parts I can do that before I attach the forward intake part to the main part.

When looking into the intakes you can only see a very small section of the compressor fan.  This pic below shows about how much of the fan will be visible.  In fact, if you look at the pic above you sort of see what I'm talking about.  And this may be too generous.  I think less will be visible that what I'm showing here:

Normally I might dry to dry brush some silver or use the Tamiya Weathering Compounds to detail the fans but in this case I'm not gonna bother with it.  Even when using a flashlight you can barely see them.

Stay tuned...

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Posted by lawdog114 on Wednesday, July 2, 2014 1:41 AM

Looking great Fly.  I don't waste paint on stuff that can't be seen either.  Its counterproductive.  Hey...and nice going, I'm intrigued now so you have me perusing varous jet builds. I'm seriously considering a Phantom.  I might grab the Revell kit at Hobby Lobby with a 40%-er.  Any thoughts or better suggestions?

Joe  

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Posted by Fly-n-hi on Wednesday, July 2, 2014 2:01 AM

lawdog114

Looking great Fly.  I don't waste paint on stuff that can't be seen either.  Its counterproductive.  Hey...and nice going, I'm intrigued now so you have me perusing varous jet builds. I'm seriously considering a Phantom.  I might grab the Revell kit at Hobby Lobby with a 40%-er.  Any thoughts or better suggestions?

Joe  

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Joe, I can't really give you any advice about F-4s based on experience.  I haven't built any yet.  But I did just recently buy the new Academy F-4C (might build it for the Vietnam GB) and all I can say is wow!  I've built enough 1/48 jets to sort of know which ones will be good and this one looks like its gonna be sick.  Plus, it gets really great reviews.  I've only seen one or two nitpicky comments about it by some rivet counters.

They aren't really cheap, though.  The best deal I found was $44 on eBay.  But just the weapons set that is included with the kit is probably worth $20.  And the decal sheet has something like 300 decals on it!  Plus, there's already alot of AM stuff for it if that's your thing.

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Posted by lawdog114 on Wednesday, July 2, 2014 2:21 AM

Alrighty...maybe I'll check that one out.  I saw a Monogram Phantom on E-bay going for like 5 bones.  Now that can't be a good sign....LOL.  I do have a 1/48 Hasegawa VF-84 F-14 A in my stash, which was supposed to be a commission build eons ago, but the guy bailed out, so I'm sort of stuck with it. Maybe I'll dive into that.  i have heard that is one challenging kit....eh what the heck.

Joe

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Posted by Fly-n-hi on Wednesday, July 2, 2014 11:20 AM

lawdog114

Alrighty...maybe I'll check that one out.  I saw a Monogram Phantom on E-bay going for like 5 bones.  Now that can't be a good sign....LOL.  I do have a 1/48 Hasegawa VF-84 F-14 A in my stash, which was supposed to be a commission build eons ago, but the guy bailed out, so I'm sort of stuck with it. Maybe I'll dive into that.  i have heard that is one challenging kit....eh what the heck.

Joe

I have built a Hasegawa F-14A...and I used VF-84 markings for it!  I don't think they are as bad as some people have made them out to be.  But there are several parts...over 220 I believe.  There are only a few tricky areas but they are the same tricky areas that seem to be on most modern stuff...like the intakes and the forward fuselage to rear fuselage seam, etc...

Here's the VF-84 I built about 3 or 4 years ago:

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Posted by Fly-n-hi on Wednesday, July 2, 2014 11:51 AM

I've discovered, after dry fitting the Aires cockpit, that this part needed to be trimmed down a bit:

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Posted by Jim Barton on Wednesday, July 2, 2014 2:44 PM

Looking good!Yes

So on the intakes, you cut off the front part, painted the insides white, then reassembled them back the way they were, if that's how I understand it?

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Posted by Fly-n-hi on Wednesday, July 2, 2014 2:59 PM

Jim Barton

Looking good!Yes

So on the intakes, you cut off the front part, painted the insides white, then reassembled them back the way they were, if that's how I understand it?

Thanks, Jim!

That is correct.  Although I haven't reattached them yet.  I need to paint the front part before I do that.  

I have a better pic of where exactly I cut the intakes.  I'll post it when I upload it to Photobucket.

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Posted by B_one fixer on Wednesday, July 2, 2014 10:59 PM

Looking good, I got the Italeri 1/48 kit in the stash that I won't get started till after the group builds I am in are completed. I am dreading doing the nose correction on it but hey I scored it for 12.00 sealed up still. I will be keeping tabs on this thread as a reference.

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