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  • From: Ancaster, Ontario
Posted by maxfax on Wednesday, December 26, 2012 8:56 PM

Hello everyone!

I know it has been months since my last update. Moving into a new house and starting over again takes time and its toll. I have finally finished the VIIc! I still have to paint the stand, but I'll do that some time later. I do have more crew to place, but for now, I have no plans to add them.

There is alot of subtlety with the painting and weathering that is hard to see on the pics, especially the scum line- there is a slight hint of green which does not show up well. I am going to take a break from ships for awhile, but have the 1/72 HMCS Snowberry, 1/72 S-boot and 1/200 Arizona to do at some point. Going to do some planes- they are much easier!

Thanks Kermit for hosting!

Rob

Hopefully someone is still watching this GB, I'd like to know that someone has seen it!

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On the bench:  Revell 1/72 HCMS Snowberry

 

 

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Posted by EBergerud on Thursday, December 27, 2012 8:42 PM

Glad you're active here. I'll have a AM TBM in USS Bogue colors (12 of the 35 U-boats credited by U-boat Net to Avengers flew off the Bogue) complete very soon. Hope it's okay to use this in the 1943 Group Build.

Eric

 

A model boat is much cheaper than a real one and won't sink with you in it.

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Posted by taxtp on Thursday, December 27, 2012 10:06 PM

Hi Folks,

I'm going to commence a 1/350 Gato this evening, using the AFV Club kit. I'll post some pics here too.

Cheers

Tony

I'm just taking it one GB at a time.

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Posted by taxtp on Friday, December 28, 2012 8:49 PM

 Here's the progress on the Gato.

Cheers

Tony

I'm just taking it one GB at a time.

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Posted by taxtp on Saturday, December 29, 2012 4:49 PM

Whilst researching the colour scheme for my Gato overnight, I found that USN Submarines were painted according to 'Measure 9' in 1942. Measure 9 was dull black overall, although the hull below the waterline could be in whatever anti fouling paint was current.

The profile of USS Wahoo in Squadron's 'Gato Class Submarines in Action' shows the whole hull to be in dull black, so in the absence of other information, that's the ship I am depicting. There ewere no hull numbers, so it's down to the weathering now.

The conning tower's of these Gato class boats evolved throughout their long service life, and were modified during their service career. THe conning tower of the USS Wahoo in August 1942 matched that depicted by this kit.

Cheers

Tony

I'm just taking it one GB at a time.

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Posted by taxtp on Saturday, December 29, 2012 8:32 PM

The finished model, in measure 9 camo. These AFV Club kits are outstanding.

Cheers

Tony

I'm just taking it one GB at a time.

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Posted by EBergerud on Sunday, December 30, 2012 9:25 PM

I did their IJN  I-19 and Type VIIC U-Boat.  Nice builds both. Certainly appreciated the included PE railings. Sure illustrates the difference between the Japanese and German philosophy of design. Think the Gato will be almost the size of I-19. Almost everyone thought I over-weathered both. I was intentionally pushing the envelope on the I--boat. The U-boat is well within the world of reality. Don't know why ship modelers want tidy things that spend their lives in salt water under wartime conditions. If you have access to Streaming Netflix, they are still offering a classy series called "The Color of War." One hour of the 13 is dedicated to US subs. All of the film is real color and they have one segment on leave which shows a boat coming (when it looks like hell) and going a few weeks later (when it is considerably more tidy.) Anyway, it's an hour of US subs in color.

Eric

 

A model boat is much cheaper than a real one and won't sink with you in it.

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Posted by EBergerud on Monday, December 31, 2012 1:20 AM

When I last posted I don't think your photos were up. Very nice build. Very clean and excellent weathering. The dark color gives it a kind of menace - which I suppose in Japanese eyes our subs had.

When researching the U-boat I did I stumbled on the very exhaustive work done on U-boat modeling by Dougie Martindale. (Several other posts have cited this material. The 50 page article on colors and weathering is found on www.artitec.nl/.../uboat_colours.pdf .) Gave some real food for thought about how to approach a Gato. The question is what to do under the waterline. If US subs were at all like U-boats I wonder if they wouldn't have employed anti-fouling agents on the hull to hinder corrosion and kill barnacles and water plants. He notes that in long cruises in warm water a kind of greenish-brown film developed. I drive by an oil refinery several times a week and watch the ships unload. When one's empty and riding high you see way below the waterline and sure enough there's often a greenish ring that must be a yard thick around the hull. Martindale also notes that the paint below the waterline which contained the anti-fouling agents would have leached out pretty soon and seriously faded. You can see that on the tankers too - sometimes very dramatically. As far as a US sub goes it would be very interesting to know how much work was done on them between patrols. I'd guess quite a lot when operating from a major base. Less sure about the subs that were receiving supplies from tenders. A real pity that photos of boats in dry dock are so hard to interpret. Color film would have been very nice there. Guess that weathering a full hulled sub will always leave a lot to the imagination - might have reflected a reality that had many different answers.

Anyway, yours is excellent.

Eric  

 

A model boat is much cheaper than a real one and won't sink with you in it.

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Posted by EBergerud on Monday, December 31, 2012 1:24 AM

Here's my contribution. This will also go into the 1943 GB.

Accurate Miniatures TBM-1 Avenger 1/48: OOB

Paints: Golden Fluid Acrylics; Vallejo Model Color; Coat d'arms

Weathering: Iwata/Medea Com.Art “Real Deal Weathering Kit”

 

After spending nearly nine months building an eccentric battleship and some armor, I decided to do a serious aircraft. In the stash was an Accurate Miniatures 1/48 Avenger. Wise heads told me that the AM kits from the late 90's were challenging but very good kits. Worth a try methinks, but there was one immediate problem: AM did several editions of the TBM and mine was the “Bermuda Triangle” :

 

The Avenger was one of the premier attack aircraft of WWII and a postwar build was out. Also my stash has several USN planes and ships that will all be some form of blue. Needed something else. After some reading I decided to model a plane flying off the USS Bogue. Good history. Bogue was a converted Liberty Ship that became the queen bee for the most successful Atlantic anti-submarine “hunter-killer” group of the war with 12 subs (two Japanese) to its credit with an additional five assists. Not bad for a ship that usually carried 12 Avengers and four FM-2 fighters helped by escort vessels. These groups helped devestate the U-boat arm after May 1943 and turn the Atlantic into a submarine graveyard.  And US aircraft in the Atlantic were given a handsome uniform of dark gull gray and insignia white.

The AM Avenger proved to be a splendid kit despite terrible instructions. Originally the AM site had photo builds to supplement their crude guide. A very good photo build on Aeroscale based on the now defunct AM site helped greatly. (The present Academy rebox has much improved instructions and better decals  but lacks the very good canopy masks that came with the original.) It lacks PE but has a hefty part count, extremely well detailed molds and very crisp panel lines.  There is a very elaborate interior of which only a little can be seen. I'm not an interior guy because my models don't go to contests and nobody sees the interior. But in the spirit of the build I spent some time there – even made some seat belts. Care when aligning pieces inside is needed an error on one step can bite your face four steps later. (Anyone who has built one of Eduard's kits will feel right at home, although for my money AM has better fit.)  I created my own colors matched it to the excellent samples found in Robert Archer's opus on USAAF camouflage and colors. So the interior green favors green more than yellow. I gave it a black/brown Vallejo acrylic to give the interior the “lived in” look. The pics below show some of the complexity involved. Frankly I was surprised that in the end the sides fit together extremely well. The engine slipped right in. The wings and tail went together flawlessly, the landing gear was tricky but worked and the clear parts aligned splendidly. In my kits driver error is always present and I lost two clear parts which were replaced via scratch and a rocket which I left off. To atone for that sin I scratch built a small camera under one wing often shown in photos to record results from rocket attacks.

 

More soon

Eric

More soon

Eric

 

 

A model boat is much cheaper than a real one and won't sink with you in it.

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Posted by taxtp on Monday, December 31, 2012 8:29 PM

Eric,

Thanks for posting the photo of the comparison between the U boat and I Boat. I agree with you on the size of the Gato, and in fact was going to post a comparison photo with a Type VIIA that I built last year.

I think I'll have to go back and do some more Gatos, and hopefully a Balao or two if they release one.

I almost feel like I'm building the Avenger myself, good description.

Thanks for the comments everyone.

Cheers

Tony

I'm just taking it one GB at a time.

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Posted by EBergerud on Tuesday, January 1, 2013 9:55 PM

So I decided to give the model a well weathered look. I did not want chipping or obviously rust. I did want fading across the board which meant above all avoiding uniformity in the model's surface colors – make the eye work for a living. I also wanted show smudging, grime, exhaust stains and overall dirt. Except for exhaust and obvious points of fluid discharge, I did not want paint to show airflow: when I look at aircraft I do not see any kind of front to back movement of coloration of the kind you might want on armor. I also wanted to get the panel lines right. I think that panel lines are often over emphasized, so I was looking for thin but visible. However, the Avenger had very prominent bulkhead lines along the fuselage and those we did want to see. And I wanted to do this all on a plane that was 75% white, a color I've never employed at anything like this quantity. More later.

Eric

We'll disregard a woefully botched attempt at salt fading – a technique I normally like a lot. I started with gray Vallejo acrylic-polyurethane primer. I don't like solvents and am very pleased with this product. The base coat was 95% Golden Fluids Titanium White. For Insignia White I tinted the base with a bit of Golden Buff. (It was obvious in Archer that Insignia White had an unbleached look to it.) I used Vallejo Dark Blue Gray to create the USN Dark Gull Gray. Both base colors had progressively lighter shades used for panel fading – this is evident only on the gray in the photos. Golden Titanium White is extremely opaque and I was concerned about covering all of the preshade, so I preshaded the base with after the first thin coat of white was down. I employed Golden Carbon Black which is the most opaque black I've ever seen and put it on with a brush. The paint self-levels and thin strokes are invisible after an airbrush coat is applied over it. Panel lines were very thin, bulkhead lines more prominent. I paid a lot of attention to the fabric surfaces. I wasn't sure whether I wanted them darker, lighter or a different color. The only thing I could tell from the photos was that they looked different. In practice they're a bit lighter and busier because of very thin preshade. Below is the model after the base coat was complete but nothing else done. (The slightly “off” nature of the white does not appear clearly in this photo.) I was quite pleased at this stage.

After a coat of Future the decals went on and I painted on the black walkways next to the cockpit. (The kit's decals were late war and useless. Instead I used some Aero Master which I found very nice. Fortunately the Bogue's aircraft have very little embellishment so some numbers and the national insignia were enough.) I turned to fading, the stage I thought would make or break the model. First I used a filter of Windsor Payne's Gray oil over the gray. The subtle blue in Payne's Gray gave the color much more depth. I made a filter of Humbrol Middlestone enamel for rest of the plane with good effect. I dot faded the entire plane, decals included, with oils – white, Payne’s gray, and ocher and let it dry for a day.

To darken the panel lines I broke out Iwata Medea Com.Art paints. These are unfamiliar to many plastic modelers but are used by railroaders. It's certainly used by rest of the craft world. Log on to a big airbrush emporium like Chicago Airbrush or TCP Global and check out the paints they sell. Basically nothing in the plastic modeling field but dozens of colors made by Golden, Createx and Iwata/Medea (among others) that are designed to be paint fabrics with an airbrush. They're acrylic paints, but completely unlike anything for normal styrene use. Because they're designed to be used on fabric or other porous surfaces the solvent reminds me a little of Future but thinner. The pigments range greatly in opacity just as artist paints do. If you could imagine a cross between a heavily thinned MIG pigment and a Vallejo Model Air you'd be close. (Any art supply store will have this stuff. The Blick chain doesn't sell the specific weathering colors but you can pick up a bottle of Transparent Smoke for $3.00 and check it out.) The reason styrene modelers don't use Com.Art or something like it is that it doesn't hold to a solid surface well. That is also it's greatest advantage for weathering. For panel lines I put a few drops of transparent smoke into a cup and hand brushed it a few inches at a time with a very thin brush. Over Future, the stuff runs right into the panel lines. Here's where it gets interesting. After waiting a minute or so you wipe the stuff perpendicular to the line's direction with a paper towel – rather like a Swanny sludge wash, except you want to keep the paint inside the panels to avoid the directional effect that comes when wiping away the excess. Give it a quick swipe and hopefully it will remain inside the line but not smudge the surface. The most likely difficulty is to swipe too hard and remove too much. Com.Art type paints are extremely forgiving and doing things over is no problem. Removing excess is a cinch because Com.Art type paints are “active” almost like a lacquer. In other words, if you've got too much on, put water on and wipe it off. Do it progression if you want to be efficient but you could wait for a couple of weeks as near as I can see. Moisten Com.Art and it reactivates and can be removed. In theory you can do this with pigments – in practice I've often found that very difficult. Clay based washes like Flory Pro Modeler Wash are also a real problem to get off completely. This stuff will wipe clean because it doesn't stick and I'd guess the pigments are chemical dyes and won't get as easily embedded in the surface as will genuine fine pigments. (I can't swear to the later, but many Golden colors use inorganic earth pigments and many employe chemical dyes – they're artist paints and you can usually tell the difference.) After doing the panel lines I used some blue-gray smoke on top and base white on the bottom to create a series of very nice smudges that you can stretch out with the brush – complements the oils very nicely. Lastly, I put on a brew Com.Art calls “old oil” tinted with an earth color and began creating the darkened zone coming from the exhaust and going underneath the wing. OK: the stuff doesn't stick so it's now time another coat of Future to seal the fading and panel lines. The Future includes 30% Tamiya Flat Base which gave a very matte finish. Usually I look for satin, but the sun and salt argued for flat. Here's where we are:

At this stage we're basically done: just have dirty things up. The Com.Art colors are redeployed with the airbrush. I sprayed more exhaust color along the bottom – this time with the bomb bay doors open and depth bombs installed. The color I used mostly here was transparent smoke applied from varying distances to give some more smudging and just to make the thing dirty. I also did some chipping with a silver, black and gray artist pencils. I kept the tips very sharp and tapped more than scratched. This is pretty evident on a detail shot below of the cockpit area. The cockpit was already painted – it went on with a nearly perfect fit. Put on a radio antenna with some stuff called “EZ Line” that stretches and allowed the odd angle seen. I did not seal the final stage. The final exhaust highlight had Future in it for a kind of wet effect. In general, Com.Art leaves the kind of moist texture you see on heavy machinery: a good contrast with the flat finish. And if I don't like it next month, I can clean it all off with Windex.

Whole thing took me about three weeks. I almost destroyed the kit once. The final weathering stage was delayed by an abscessed tooth (never model when you have an abscessed tooth: if I would have had a gun, I would tried to shoot my tooth out). I lost parts and committed other follies. That said, the kit itself was splendid. And in the end the model turned out the way I wanted it. I'm sure many, probably most modelers would approach this project differently and perhaps they should. But the model looks the way it does because I wanted it to. If the model is a failure it was not in technique but in mind's eye. Personally, I think it looks like a very well worn combat aircraft which is what I wanted. Always interested the the thoughts of others. Pics of a Bogue Avenger below:


































 

A model boat is much cheaper than a real one and won't sink with you in it.

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Posted by Theuns on Wednesday, January 23, 2013 10:12 AM

Hi all.

Here is my entry to the ASW build.

1/48 Fujimi Westalnd Wasp (box art however shows a Scout)

It will be a really simple build, no big detail added exccept for the standard "ommited" collectives and jaw peddals. .....really kit makers, you can't add them???

It will be in the sceeme of the Sout African Navy when used as ASW.

Fujimi 1/48 Wasp

1/48 Fujimi Wasp

1/48 Fujimi Wasp

Theuns

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Posted by maxfax on Wednesday, January 23, 2013 10:40 AM

Welcome to the group. Kermit is running this GB but has been AWOL for some time. Hopefully he'll see these posts and add you to the list.

Rob

On the bench:  Revell 1/72 HCMS Snowberry

 

 

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Posted by Theuns on Thursday, January 31, 2013 8:44 AM

The detail in the Fujimi 1/48 Wasp is very spartan to say the least, so I added the collectives, yaw paddals and seat padding made from prestic and painted to look loke leather.

The belts will be made from lead foil aswell as the instr. pannel glare shield.

1/48 Wasp cabin

I had to tint the upper part of the canopy blue, and for a first attempt I am pleased with the resuly food color and future gave :-)

Theuns

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Posted by Theuns on Thursday, January 31, 2013 10:48 AM

Here is my blue tinted top canopy. 

It appears much darker when put on the fuselarge with the dark background.

Wasp top canopy tinted

The slight imperfections in the clear blue also dissapear when on the fuse :-)

Theuns

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Posted by Theuns on Monday, February 4, 2013 12:29 AM

A little more detail added , and fuselarge joined.

1/48 Wasp cabin

I will need to do some filling and sanding to get a nise seam line. 

Wasp

1/48 Wasp

To fit the canopy will be a chalange, it is slightly over size infront and ander size at the rear.

Theuns

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Posted by bsyamato on Saturday, February 9, 2013 8:35 AM

Nice work on the wasp Smile 

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Posted by kermit on Sunday, March 3, 2013 11:02 AM

Hello everybody

I have been lurking in the shadows on the GB for a couple of months now as i was dealing with non-modeling related issues. I admit i have not been the best of hosts in this respect. For this i offer everyone my apologies.

Due to a full month passing by without any activity within this GB and me trying to reorganise my modeling agenda if you will, i think it is wise to wrap up the GB and call it a day. The models built the past year have all been amazing and i have enjoyed each and every post made. You guys are awesome!

Thank you all and i hope to keep talking to you guys working on other projects!

Richard

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm." - Sir Winston Churchill

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Posted by stikpusher on Sunday, March 3, 2013 2:03 PM

I still have a few to complete (moving throws a huge crimp into model building) and will post any work on those projects on here, just for continuity's sake.

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

       - Plankton

LSM

 

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Posted by greentracker98 on Sunday, March 3, 2013 5:48 PM

Thanks Kermit,

This was a fun build, as well as the biggest (1 72 Gato) one I ever did. Do you have any other ideas for a group build? Every ones build came out looking fabulous.

Ken

A.K.A. Ken                Making Modeling Great Again

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Posted by bsyamato on Tuesday, March 5, 2013 6:06 AM

Totally forget about the little u-boot Tongue Tied 

Kermit, what's up about a finished work gallery Embarrassed ?

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