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Aces GB - The roster has been updated. make sure I have everything right

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Aces GB - The roster has been updated. make sure I have everything right
Posted by greentracker98 on Wednesday, October 8, 2014 6:47 PM

I've been watching a few shows like Dogfights, Great Planes, and any other one  I come acroos. Great Shows.

There has alwaays been Aviation Aces since we left the ground and took a gun up with us. One show said one pilot downed an enemy aircraft with a shot gun. Yes that was in World War 1.

The possibilities are endless. I think my favorite ace is Robert S.Johnson in his P-47s. I especially like the story of him meeting up with Egon Mayer. If I had to choose any plane to go up in, it would be the "Jug"

So, Since we have a quite a few enlistees, That makes it official. We are a Fine Scale Modeler Group Build. Start thinking about what you are going to do. I have been. Yes, I think you all can guess what I'll be doing. I have another Jug on mjy to do list.

Rules:

1) Sunday, December 7th. I will create our page to sign on and post our WIP pics

2 ) We will run this GB from January 20, 2015 until March 20, 2016, I am changing the starting date because of all the interest and it seems that a lot are commiting already. The dates  are by no means set in stone. I'm flexable

3) If you build 2 models yoiu will be a double ace. 3 models = a triple ace. etc etc. I will find a medal to add to your badge.

4 If any one commits to an Ace in a Day, (Five or more Kills in a single day), I'll look for a special medal for this

5) Any air craft flown by any ace in the last 115 years

6) We will use the 5 kill figure for an ace no matter what nation they are from.

7) You can build an aces plane at any time in their "ace career" To clarify,Right now, I'm considering Robert S. Johnson and Egon Mayer when they met up in the skies over France. It was almost Mayers end, but it was certainly Johnsons beginning

8) WIP's are strictly required

9) A character figure to stand in for the ace (Can be in or out of thier plane) Figures can be any scale  i"m allowing it because I'vs seen some really great figures in the larger scales . Some of the busts I've seen look really amazing as well; So yes busts are allowed.  The figure can be a general depiction of the pilot. While some of the figures are great, The faces are quite limited, this is in the spirit of the build, not about perfection. No already painted figures will be accepted

10) Plane with aces nose art and markings is a must. I realize some aces (Gabresky) didn't have nose art. So, Just build it like the Aces plane

11) After market goodies are encouraged and accepted

12) Any scale I'd love to get the 1/24 scale Jug for this, but I don't see that happening) Oh Well

13) When you sign-on, give us a little history on the man/woman along with their photo and their aircraft

14) Cross overs are allowed

15) Have fun

16) Please excuse my typos

Check back often as these rules are by no means the end of them. If anyone thinks of something i don't have in the rulres. Please mention it. I may not have thought about it.

So, What does every one else think? I'm always open for suggestions

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Posted by ajd3530 on Wednesday, October 8, 2014 7:24 PM

Spring '15?? If it flies, count me in. I have nary a Spitfire on my flight line, and I have been wanting to make Clive Caldwell's Spit Mk. VIII.

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Posted by checkmateking02 on Thursday, October 9, 2014 9:58 AM

I think I'd be interested in this.  I've wanted to do a Spitfire for "Sailor" Malan for quite a while.

 

 

 

 

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Posted by jgeratic on Thursday, October 9, 2014 10:58 AM

Though not a fan of crossovers myself, if that is allowed there is potential for more entrants given some of the existing GB extending into next year (such as the WW1 GB), as well as the 109 GB kicking off next year, and I'm sure there will be a 1945 GB given the pattern of the last few years.

The rule no.2, does that mean you want a pilot figure standing outside his aircraft, or can they be sitting inside his cockpit?  Does the figure have to be same scale as the aircraft?

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There were two Russian female aces during WW2, Lydia Litvyak and Yekaterina Budanova.  Depending on sources their tallies vary, sometimes 11 is the count given to both.

regards,

Jack

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Posted by Bish on Thursday, October 9, 2014 11:32 AM

I like the sound of this one and depending on the time frame I will try and get one build in. I have made it a rule for myself not to do cross overs, other wise my 109 GB entry would work as I have a figure for that. But I know I have at least one other figure of an ace to go with some builds.

I assume your using the 5 kill figure for an ace no matter what nation they are from.

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Posted by greentracker98 on Thursday, October 9, 2014 8:53 PM

Thanks for all the questions/comments guys. It makes me think of things I hadn't thought about

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Posted by modelcrazy on Sunday, October 12, 2014 10:01 AM

Sure, count me in.

I have several ideas, including Rall's 109 G2

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Posted by greentracker98 on Sunday, October 12, 2014 3:39 PM

Thanks everyone,

Its starting to look pretty good

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Posted by greentracker98 on Sunday, October 19, 2014 12:12 AM

We have 6 entrants Does that make this GB an Ace? Anyone else want to jump into the furball?

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Posted by hogfanfs on Tuesday, October 21, 2014 5:30 PM

I'm in, just watched a documentary about George Beurling, so I purchsed a Spitfire VB Trop and decals.

 Bruce

 

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Posted by greentracker98 on Tuesday, October 21, 2014 9:03 PM

That makes 7 with Bruce; Anyone else??? looking good now!

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Posted by BrandonK on Wednesday, November 5, 2014 11:01 AM

I'm interested, I'll do some looking at my stash and see what I already have and then some looking on the net. I may do this if I find one I really want to build.

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Posted by BrandonK on Wednesday, November 5, 2014 11:16 AM

Ok, just took a look at my stash and I have a 1/48 Tamiya Bf109E-4/7 Trop for pilot Major Helmut Wick of JG-2 who was credited with destroying 56 enemy aircraft and a German Ace and awarded their highest commendations. Their is a pilot figure in the kit. Does this one qualify for you criteria?

I also have a Neville Duke Spitfire Mk VB. He was also an ace with 27 victories. Lybia 1941. Airfix 1/48 kit. This kit qualifies also?

Hmm, well look at that. I also have a PM P-47N with two aces in the decal set. This one fits as well. Looks like I got some thinking to do on which one, or two to build. That medal on the badge is appealing.

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Posted by Bish on Wednesday, November 5, 2014 11:38 AM

Quick question ken. You said the figure could be any scale. Would a bust count. Just want to se what my options are. I have both a 32nd figure and a 1/9th Bust for one particular ace.

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Posted by BrandonK on Wednesday, November 5, 2014 12:26 PM

LOL !  OMgosh, I found another kit in my stash with 5 aces in the decal set. It's a Spitfire kit from Italeri. I'm gonna go big on this build and try to get 3 kits done for it. What the heck. It only time, right?

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Posted by modelcrazy on Wednesday, November 5, 2014 12:57 PM

You're a Wildman Brandon.

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Posted by jugjunkie on Wednesday, November 5, 2014 1:34 PM

You can pen me in too, not yet sure about the subject but i'll be in.

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Posted by greentracker98 on Wednesday, November 5, 2014 2:19 PM

I'm easy to get along with. Read through your questions guys. I've answered each one.

Brandon -

Ok, just took a look at my stash and I have a 1/48 Tamiya Bf109E-4/7 Trop for pilot Major Helmut Wick of JG-2 who was credited with destroying 56 enemy aircraft and a German Ace and awarded their highest commendations. Their is a pilot figure in the kit. Does this one qualify for you criteria? Yes

I also have a Neville Duke Spitfire Mk VB. He was also an ace with 27 victories. Lybia 1941. Airfix 1/48 kit. This kit qualifies also? Yes

Hmm, well look at that. I also have a PM P-47N with two aces in the decal set. This one fits as well. Looks like I got some thinking to do on which one, or two to build. That medal on the badge is appealing.

Brandon, What kit is this What does "PM" stand for?

Bish -

Quick question ken. You said the figure could be any scale. Would a bust count - Yes. Just want to se what my options are. I have both a 32nd figure and a 1/9th Bust for one particular ace

Yea

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Posted by Bish on Wednesday, November 5, 2014 2:23 PM

Thanks Ken, not 100% sure I will do that as its a part of a very large project, just considering it.

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Posted by greentracker98 on Wednesday, November 5, 2014 2:30 PM

Lookin better all the time.

I'm not going to say that cross/overs are not allowed. This is only because I've done some crossovers in the past; But I won't be doing any more cross overs. Sometime in the future, I will not allow it.

I now understand where some of you are coming from when you say "I don't do cross overs"

So to clarify. Cross overs are allowed in this GB

 Also, there is lots of time to decide what your going to do. So take your time

Right now, I'm considering Robert S. Johnson and Egon Mayer

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Posted by BrandonK on Wednesday, November 5, 2014 2:49 PM

PM, for me, stands for ProModeler. It's an older ProModeler P-47N kit. Two birds, one is Cpt. John Vogt, 5 kills in one mission in one day (Drinkin' Sister). Other is Robert Redfield, Lt. with one kill, he doesn't qualify though. 

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Posted by greentracker98 on Wednesday, November 5, 2014 2:52 PM

BrandonK

PM, for me, stands for ProModeler. It's an older ProModeler P-47N kit.

Thanks Brandon

It looks like 9 so far. Looking great !!!

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Posted by modelcrazy on Wednesday, November 5, 2014 3:02 PM

Actually  greentracker,

I'd like to switch to an Italian ace in his MC 202. Don't know which one yet, there were a few. The problem was that the Italians didn't score victories individually, but rather as a group effort, similar to the Japanese. The other problem was not that the Italians didn't have talent, their fighters just didn't have the firepower to bring down the British or American aircraft easily.

I'll figure out who in particular before you start.

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Posted by BrandonK on Wednesday, November 5, 2014 5:56 PM

Ya, MC, I'm feeling a bit like a wildman. Looks like I've committed to 3 GB's plus one weekend GB for a total of 6 planes. No problem. As soon as I get this Mustang done I'll be able to rip right through them.  8 ball

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Posted by greentracker98 on Wednesday, November 5, 2014 7:11 PM

You don't have to committ yet. there is lots of time

I have 2 B 17s and a B 24 to finish before this GB happens

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Posted by stikpusher on Wednesday, November 5, 2014 7:47 PM

I am interested... but I gotta add that I dont think that there has been a new air ace minted since 1982 over Lebanon.... over 30 years now... the nature of air combat has changed a bit in the past few decades.

 

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Posted by Raymond G on Wednesday, November 5, 2014 8:41 PM

I think I can make that schedule work.  I may do Robin Olds P-51 "Scat VI."  Would you be opposed to me doing a double build diorama with his P-51 and F-4 side by side, with a figure of him standing in the middle?  I know he didn't quiet hit number 5 in Vietnam...  Raymond

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Posted by greentracker98 on Thursday, November 6, 2014 4:35 PM

Raymond G

I think I can make that schedule work.  I may do Robin Olds P-51 "Scat VI."  Would you be opposed to me doing a double build diorama with his P-51 and F-4 side by side, with a figure of him standing in the middle?  I know he didn't quiet hit number 5 in Vietnam...  Raymond

The answer to that Raymond is That will work perfectly. That will make you a double ace. I'll look and see what medals he earned flying and dogfighting,

Stik - I didn't know that. but there are lots of guys and 1 or 2 women who were aces. Your more than welcome to join, and I hope you do. I thouight it would be a great and fun GB

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Posted by jgeratic on Saturday, November 8, 2014 12:14 PM

Another question for the build parameter.  

Ace status is usually attributed to the pilot after his 5th confirmed.  So what about those aircraft they flew before that, such as when they acquired their first, second, third or fourth kill - are those acceptable or is it limited to those flown after the achievement?

regards,

Jack

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Posted by greentracker98 on Saturday, November 8, 2014 2:13 PM

jgeratic

Another question for the build parameter.  

Ace status is usually attributed to the pilot after his 5th confirmed.  So what about those aircraft they flew before that, such as when they acquired their first, second, third or fourth kill - are those acceptable or is it limited to those flown after the achievement?

regards,

Jack

I'm allowing this as I am considering doing Robert S. Johnson and Egon Mayer depicting their first meeting When Mayer was denied another kill because of the P-47s structually capable attributes. This was before Johnson really got going adding up his score.

Also, If anyone has questions in the future, please read through my rules. Then If I haven't listed it, You can ask here.

Ken

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