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Aces on the Wrong Side of History GB - 2018

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  • Member since
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  • From: Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, England
Posted by Bish on Thursday, May 10, 2018 2:04 AM

Nice work on the PE there Bruce.

''I am a Norfolk man, and i glory in being so''

 

On the bench: Esci 1/72nd MiG 29 (Aircraft of the Commonwealth GB)

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Posted by TomcatModelKits on Thursday, May 10, 2018 5:48 AM

Thanks!  Big Smile

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Posted by hogfanfs on Thursday, May 10, 2018 7:11 AM

@Tomcat,

I took a look at the video, nice start on the 109! And I will second Waggish, the dry brushing really does make the IP pop!

@Clint,

Yes this PE kit replaces a lot of the detail. But, it's the first time I've used a pre-painted set. A part of me thinks I'm cheating. Then, I almost got carried away and started adding the painted piece before painting the base RLM. The external set does really add some nice details, so I'll try to get some of that done soon and show you guys.

@Bish,

Thank you, sir!

 Bruce

 

 

 

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  • From: Towson MD
Posted by gregbale on Thursday, May 10, 2018 8:33 AM

Tomcat: Very nice start on your 109...and lots of other cool projects, as well!

Bruce:  Very nice work thus far!

hogfanfs
Yes this PE kit replaces a lot of the detail. But, it's the first time I've used a pre-painted set. A part of me thinks I'm cheating. Then, I almost got carried away and started adding the painted piece before painting the base RLM. The external set does really add some nice details, so I'll try to get some of that done soon and show you guys.

I used to have that 'cheating' sensation as well...then realized that there are far more projects than time to do them, and the tradeoff---making the project look that much better---is worth the 'cheat.' (Plus, I spent decades scratchbuilding cockpits and instrument panels, literally gauge by gauge: I have the satisfaction of knowing I can do it...but it doesn't really bother me any more not to have to! Big Smile)

Greg

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Posted by gregbale on Friday, May 11, 2018 3:00 PM

Probably my last update for the next month or so, since 'work' is getting ready to seriously impose on the modeling time for a bit. Can't be helped.

Basic fuselage work is done, with the fuselage itself assembled and seams cleaned up/rescribed. Since the fuselage is a carry-over from the company's earlier -F model, some molded fuselage details like fuel-fill and access hatches had to be done away with, some re-positioned, and some new ones scribed in. I added the prominent circular compass hatch on the lower port side, for example.

The kit's optional 'tall' tail was a pretty good match shape-wise for the one indistict photo I have of the real a/c I'm portraying, so no drastic reshaping was required. But it appears my bird had the smooth wooden-construction rudder, so the prominent ribs molded on the kit piece had to go. Likewise the upper and lower trim tabs; many versions of the tall tail had these, but as best I can tell mine had only the Flettner tab ...for which an actuator arm will be added, in due course. Horizontal stabs had the same heavy ribbing---and a company logo---that likewise had to go.

The kit came with large holes in the aft cockpit bulkhead, to allow the kit canopy's fairly sturdy 'peg' style hinges to pivot; I filled these and sanded off the kit's barey-visible baggage hatch outine, and replaced the hatch with styrene with photo-etch brackets. (A bit more to be added there, after painting.)

I still haven't quite decided whether to use the kit's canopy---which, while thick, is clear and nicely-molded---or whether to go for the Radu Brinzan photo-etch version I have in the stash. We'll see.

Once the fuselage is wrapped up, I'll tackle issue of the bit of dihedral that needs to be added to the wing assembly...and start detailing-up oil coolers and landing gear wells.

Thanks to all for following along.

Greg

 George Lewis:

"Every time you correct me on my grammar I love you a little fewer."

 

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Posted by Rambo on Friday, May 11, 2018 3:31 PM
Greg: Still looking good, great job on building that baggage hatch

Clint

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Posted by modelcrazy on Friday, May 11, 2018 7:11 PM

Great attention to detail Greg. That's going to look great. It's odd the the manufacturer would plaster their name on an outside surface rather than on the inside. They might as well have molded it onto the upper wing surface.

I need to get going on other builds while I'm finishing the Scharnhorst so I started on the 190 A8. The seams aren't too bad and will be easy to smooth out.

Steve

Steve

ON THE BENCH

Too many projects to list. 

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Posted by aeroplanegripper on Saturday, May 12, 2018 2:01 AM

Hello everyone, 

I will be starting off with my humble contribution to this great GB today with the AZ Models 1/72 Messerschmitt BF 109-F4 to be depicted in the markings of Gunther Rall. Major Rall finished the war with an incredible total of 275 victories, making him the thrird highest scoring ace of all time.

Here is the kit box, and is one of the many 109 versions that AZ make, and I have a few now in my stash. The box markings are Rall's and this is the one ill be using.

 I am in no way an expert in 109's but have always admired the tenacity and evolution of this mean looking fighter, so I will be using the excellent book from A&M by Richard Franks to help me out.

I will post some pics as I move along today.

Thanks for looking.

Best Regards

Mark

"bis vivit qui bene vivit"


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Posted by Rambo on Saturday, May 12, 2018 2:18 AM
Mark: Looking forward to seeing that one built up

Clint

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  • From: Towson MD
Posted by gregbale on Saturday, May 12, 2018 10:28 AM

Rambo
Greg: Still looking good, great job on building that baggage hatch
 

 
modelcrazy
Great attention to detail Greg. That's going to look great. It's odd the the manufacturer would plaster their name on an outside surface rather than on the inside. They might as well have molded it onto the upper wing surface.
 
Thanks, Clint and Steve!

Greg

 George Lewis:

"Every time you correct me on my grammar I love you a little fewer."

 

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Posted by aeroplanegripper on Sunday, May 13, 2018 1:32 PM

Hello all,

I have this weekend made a start on the AZ Models 1/72 Bf109-F (Freidrich). Despite the previous problems and antics I am having with the AZ Models Mohawk, this is a total different matter. The plastic is crisply moulded and fitment so far, exemplary. As you can see you get a lot for your pounds/dollars .

 There is so much extra items on these sprues, that I will have spares for ages!

The end of progress this weekend, I have primed and painted the cockpit, added some detail to the sidewalls,added the Yahu IP, affixed the seat and trim wheels and done some drybrushing of flat aluminium (Humbrol).

 Next steps will be a base flat matt coat to the sidewalls etc and then a Flory wash, possibly Black or grime. I have a busy week this week, work wise, so may not be till the weekend.

I will also sand off the represented struts on the rear of the fuselage under the stabiliser, as I dont think these were on the F-4 variant. I have masked these areas off in preperation.

 Thanks for looking.

Best Regards

Mark

"bis vivit qui bene vivit"


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Posted by Mopar Madness on Sunday, May 13, 2018 9:53 PM

Those AZ Model 109’s are definitely packed with detail. I might need to pick one up now!

Chad

God, Family, Models...

At the plate: 1/72 Airfix A-4 Skyhawk

On deck: 1/700 Trumpeter Graf Zeppelin

In the hole: 1/72 ICM FW 189A-1  

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  • From: Parker City, IN.
Posted by Rambo on Monday, May 14, 2018 12:07 AM

Mopar Madness

Those AZ Model 109’s are definitely packed with detail. I might need to pick one up now!

 

I was thinking the same thing.

Clint

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Posted by aeroplanegripper on Monday, May 14, 2018 3:19 PM

Hello everyone,

Just a quick update. Managed to get in a couple of hours in tonight, and finally assembled, after painting, the detailed little cockpit tub on the AZ Friedrich. I have also added the decal seat belt/harness, rudder pedals and joystick etc.

I then dry fitted it to check the alignment prior to putting the fuselage halves together tomorrow. The fit seems good.

 If I have some spare time tomorrow evening, Ill join the fuselage halves together and add the exhausts. Ill also try,carefully, to add the armoured front glass to the clear canopy.

Thanks for looking.

Best Regards

Mark

"bis vivit qui bene vivit"


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Posted by Mopar Madness on Monday, May 14, 2018 9:26 PM

Ok, I’m really liking the details. Especially for such a small scale. 

Chad

God, Family, Models...

At the plate: 1/72 Airfix A-4 Skyhawk

On deck: 1/700 Trumpeter Graf Zeppelin

In the hole: 1/72 ICM FW 189A-1  

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  • From: the redlands Fl
Posted by crown r n7 on Wednesday, May 16, 2018 5:34 AM

Greg moving along on that 109G 

Steve is that 190 in 1/72?

Mark I agree that 1/72 109 is packed with detail way too small for my eyes.

I started with the zero cockpit .

 

 Nick.

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  • From: Parker City, IN.
Posted by Rambo on Wednesday, May 16, 2018 7:00 AM
Tamiya packs alot of detail in their zero pits oob and yours is looking great

Clint

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Posted by SchattenSpartan on Wednesday, May 16, 2018 7:49 AM

Count me in on this one.

I don't know what I'm going to build yet, but it's going to be one of these:

Hasegawa Bf 109 F-4 (1:32)

Hasegawa Bf 109 G-6 (1:32)

Hasegawa Fw 190 D-9 (1:32)

No matter which one I'll end up building, it's definitely going to be in the markings of one of the aircraft flown by Gerhard Barkhorn.

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  • From: Worcester, England.
Posted by aeroplanegripper on Wednesday, May 16, 2018 11:58 AM

Thats looking great Nick, that is a very detailed cockpit, the IP is wonderful. Well done mate.

Best Regards

Mark

"bis vivit qui bene vivit"


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Posted by TheWaggishAmerican on Wednesday, May 16, 2018 12:54 PM

Gregbale- My mind is having a tough time wrapping around this- a "photoetch" canopy? How does that work? Is it a photoetch frame, and you supply the plastic? Or is like a photoeth frame to a vacuumform clear bit?

 

Modelcrazy- Nice start! Looks a lot cleaner than the Airfix 190.

 

aeroplanegripper- Looks really good so far! I had alway's thought of AZM as a kinda low-quality short-run company, but your's looks great! Maybe I should give them another go.

 

crown- That looks amazing! Miles above the Old 1/48 A6M2 Tamiya does that I built. I had to look once or twice to be sure it wasn't the 1/32 version!

 

 

 

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On the Bench- 1/48 Tamiya A6M2, 1/72 Airfix Bf 109E-4, 1/72 P-38, 1/72 Airfix Gloster Gladiator, 1/144 White Knight 2 and Space Ship 2, 1/32 Fiesler Storch, 1/200 Mercury, Gemini, Atlas, Saturn 1b, Saturn V

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Posted by TheWaggishAmerican on Wednesday, May 16, 2018 12:57 PM

SchattenSpartan

Count me in on this one.

I don't know what I'm going to build yet, but it's going to be one of these:

 

SchattenSpartan, I've added you to the roster. I marked you down as

-ShattenSpartan- Hasegawa 1/32 [TBD] (Gerhard Barkhorn)

 

Once you've settled on the aircraft, let me know and I'll change it. Side note- that how long is the fuselage on that D-9? My 1/48 one is large- I can only imagine how much space that beauty would take up. 

youtube.com/c/TheWaggishAmerican

On the Bench- 1/48 Tamiya A6M2, 1/72 Airfix Bf 109E-4, 1/72 P-38, 1/72 Airfix Gloster Gladiator, 1/144 White Knight 2 and Space Ship 2, 1/32 Fiesler Storch, 1/200 Mercury, Gemini, Atlas, Saturn 1b, Saturn V

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Posted by SchattenSpartan on Wednesday, May 16, 2018 1:16 PM

Thanks, that works for me.

It should be just shy of 32cm from the tip of the spinner to the trailing edge of the rudder. Definitely not a small model...

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Posted by gregbale on Wednesday, May 16, 2018 9:56 PM

TheWaggishAmerican
Gregbale- My mind is having a tough time wrapping around this- a "photoetch" canopy? How does that work? Is it a photoetch frame, and you supply the plastic? Or is like a photoeth frame to a vacuumform clear bit?

It's a p-e frame with clear sheet and templates to cut out the parts. The pics on the web look perfect...but I'm not sure I can get it to look quite so good. I may just see how the kit part paints up, and go from there.

Nice work,everybody!

Greg

 George Lewis:

"Every time you correct me on my grammar I love you a little fewer."

 

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Posted by Bish on Thursday, May 17, 2018 2:01 AM

Mark, will be wathcing this one. I got the same kit a couple of months back, intending to do the scheme with the white wash down one side. I have been eyeing up some of those AZ kits for a while but this was my first time buying one, so really keen to see how they build. Be interested to see what you make of that book as well.

''I am a Norfolk man, and i glory in being so''

 

On the bench: Esci 1/72nd MiG 29 (Aircraft of the Commonwealth GB)

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Posted by Bish on Thursday, May 17, 2018 2:08 AM

gregbale

 

 
TheWaggishAmerican
Gregbale- My mind is having a tough time wrapping around this- a "photoetch" canopy? How does that work? Is it a photoetch frame, and you supply the plastic? Or is like a photoeth frame to a vacuumform clear bit?

 

It's a p-e frame with clear sheet and templates to cut out the parts. The pics on the web look perfect...but I'm not sure I can get it to look quite so good. I may just see how the kit part paints up, and go from there.

Nice work,everybody!

 

I used one of those on my 32nd 109F and have another for my G. I found it a bit tricky to use but looks very nice when done. Some great detail in it. Not sure i would buy any more though.

''I am a Norfolk man, and i glory in being so''

 

On the bench: Esci 1/72nd MiG 29 (Aircraft of the Commonwealth GB)

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Posted by Bish on Thursday, May 17, 2018 2:09 AM

SchattenSpartan

Thanks, that works for me.

It should be just shy of 32cm from the tip of the spinner to the trailing edge of the rudder. Definitely not a small model...

 

I built that hase kit at the end of last year, the boxing with the Rudel markings. It is a good size but not to big. Certainly not as big as the Stuka it sits next to.

''I am a Norfolk man, and i glory in being so''

 

On the bench: Esci 1/72nd MiG 29 (Aircraft of the Commonwealth GB)

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  • From: the redlands Fl
Posted by crown r n7 on Thursday, May 17, 2018 8:22 AM

better late then never .

Rambo thank you its amazing the detail out of the box.

Mark many thanks the tamiya strong decal set works great.

TWA thanks I can imagine the detail in a 1/32nd kit.

 

 Nick.

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Posted by taxtp on Thursday, May 17, 2018 7:18 PM

I've got a few AZmodels in the stash Bish, they look better than your average short run to me, and usually have really nice decals. Great subjects too. I must be build one soon, so I can really decide. They look a world better than Amodel though, and certainly better than the older generation short runs likes Aeroclub and Pegasus/

Cheers

Tony

I'm just taking it one GB at a time.

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Posted by hogfanfs on Thursday, May 17, 2018 7:33 PM

Gentleman, I have a quick question about Gustav 109's. Did the G's have RLM66 or RLM02 cockpit interior color?

 Bruce

 

 

 

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Posted by hogfanfs on Thursday, May 17, 2018 7:45 PM

hogfanfs

Gentleman, I have a quick question about Gustav 109's. Did the G's have RLM66 or RLM02 cockpit interior color?

 

I just found this:

 
After November 1941, all cockpit/crew areas were RLM Black-Grey 66.
The interior of engine compartments were painted in RLM 02, with the exception of the firewall.
Aircraft fuselage areas, with the exception of the cockpit were finished in RLM 02.
Aluminum and other alloy areas were still given a coat of RLM 02 to prevent corrosion.
Equipment such as radios, fuel tanks, oxygen bottles, etc. were in the color applied by the manufacturer.
Radios were usually black or gray; fuel tanks were usually black or gray. Oxygen bottles were usually overall blue, or painted with blue stripping.
Wing areas were finished in RLM 02.
Gun bay areas generally retained their RLM 02 paint.
The flap 'well' and interior of the flap was painted with RLM 02. This includes radiator flap and cowl flap areas.
Bf-109B/C/D/E's usually had the underwing radiator area painted the same color as the fuselage underside.
Wheel wells and components should have been RLM 02.
Steel prop blades were painted RLM 70 black green.

Is this accurate? 

 Bruce

 

 

 

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