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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, June 19, 2004 8:23 PM

LOL

No Problem Tigerman!

It's a Ying and Yang thing... :-)

My next build after the Jumbo will be a Mid Production Tiger I...!

Now to save up for some aftermarket Tiger tracks!

Later,

Hibrass

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tigerman

Member since
March 2003
From: Rain USA, Vancouver WA

Posted by tigerman on Saturday, June 19, 2004 8:37 PM

Whew. If I'm correct , the Tamiya Mid comes with some nice indy tracks.

Eric

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, June 20, 2004 1:37 AM

I hear ya on the ying yang thing Hibrass. As my son puts it " the germans out number the allies dad, you need more allie tanks". The panzer looks great!!

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, June 20, 2004 6:30 AM

Thundergod,

You must me teach your kids the same values I teach mine! Because my sons keep asking if I'm going to make a good guy. I haven't modeled in many many years and this PzIV-J is the first model I have made in nearly15 years. My boys are having fun watching Dad play.

Tigerman,

You are correct the Tamiya Mid Prod Tiger does come with nice tracks...! Oh decisions decisions! :-)

I have a series of builds planned over the next year, a mixed of German and Allied armor. Next on my list are,

M4A3E2
Tiger 1 Mid
M3A3E8
Stug or JagPanzer
Chaffee
JS II

Well at least that is the plan as of now... I also have a Tamiya 1/16 Pershing that I plan to convert into a Late WWII Super Pershing!

Lord! So much armor, so little time!

Later,

Hibrass

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, June 20, 2004 8:38 PM

Nice Looking IVJ Hibrass. Thats the build I am dong for the D-Day build.

Welcome aboard!!

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Monday, June 21, 2004 9:36 AM

Ed, Nice build and paintjob... Good work on the etched stuff.
Welcome to the forum, Lookin forward to seeing more of your work...

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rebelreenactor

Member since
October 2003
From: Clovis, Calif

Posted by rebelreenactor on Monday, June 21, 2004 2:13 PM

Very great work.

now my question: on the D, was the rack (that was used to carry jerry cans) in the back (i think its right above the muffler) used only in the Afrikan version?
john

John

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renarts

Member since
April 2003
From: Sunny Florida

Posted by renarts on Monday, June 21, 2004 4:09 PM

As far as I know it was a late production mod and in some cases back fitted. So it would have been on Afrika Korp vehicles and eastern theatre.

Mike "Imagination is the dye that colors our lives" Marcus Aurellius A good friend will come and bail you out of jail...but, a true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn...that was fun!"

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rebelreenactor

Member since
October 2003
From: Clovis, Calif

Posted by rebelreenactor on Monday, June 21, 2004 4:31 PM

thanks alot!!! Cool [8D]

I think it adds a bit more detail and intersst to the model.

John

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renarts

Member since
April 2003
From: Sunny Florida

Posted by renarts on Monday, June 21, 2004 5:15 PM

FYI
http://byrden.com/panzers/Colours/index.html

some interesting articles on colors

Mike "Imagination is the dye that colors our lives" Marcus Aurellius A good friend will come and bail you out of jail...but, a true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn...that was fun!"

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rebelreenactor

Member since
October 2003
From: Clovis, Calif

Posted by rebelreenactor on Monday, June 21, 2004 5:34 PM

thanks, thats a good site.

John

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Monday, June 21, 2004 8:28 PM

Mike,, thanks for the link to that site. It will deffinately come in handy for when I do the interior of the IVJ I am doing for the D-Day Build.

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Aaronw

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September 2015
From: The Redwood Empire

Posted by Aaronw on Monday, June 21, 2004 8:49 PM

I might get into this, I've been wanting to do a Panzer 4 but I've got so many projects laying about already and I'm going to be doing the emergency vehicle build starting 6/30. I know you said real lax on the end date, but what is the time frame you are considering, If I've got until at least the end of August I'm in, since I'll have to plan on a Sherman right after (one of my favorites). Blush [:I]

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Monday, June 21, 2004 8:54 PM

Aaronw, first off, welcome!! as far as the end date, well I will be lucky if I get half of the ones I have planned done by Christmas. I think you should be fine shooting for August.

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, June 22, 2004 1:45 AM

here is a link to a thread on another forum that will keep you guys motivated:

http://www.network54.com/Forum/thread?forumid=212524&messageid=1087568256

I guess he MADE all of those figures too!!! CRAZEY!!

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tigerman

Member since
March 2003
From: Rain USA, Vancouver WA

Posted by tigerman on Tuesday, June 22, 2004 10:44 AM

Love the PE pieces. Seems to me like maybe too much sag on the tracks. Nice Grenadiers.

Eric

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, June 22, 2004 11:02 AM

No-one likes an over achiever... Big Smile [:D]

Honestly Awsome though....

I am gonna go over to my NSLHS to try and find a Dragon or Tamiya PZ IV... something i can build OTB. I don't fancy messing with the Italeri kit right now...

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wipw

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January 2003
From: Utah - USA

Posted by wipw on Tuesday, June 22, 2004 11:10 AM

Wow!

Bill ==========================================================

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Aaronw

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September 2015
From: The Redwood Empire

Posted by Aaronw on Tuesday, June 22, 2004 10:24 PM

QUOTE: Originally posted by edog

Aaronw, first off, welcome!! as far as the end date, well I will be lucky if I get half of the ones I have planned done by Christmas. I think you should be fine shooting for August.

Oh, well if you're talking about Christmas then I'm in, my KV-2 and Cromwell need a target anyway and my Italian tanks could use the company. Smile [:)]

I expect I could squeeze some time in around mid July. Now to choose a version and find a kit.

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, June 22, 2004 10:54 PM

Yeah that's nice work - more metal than plastic- but his Luger barrel is bent!

Took the parts for my old Tamiya Ausf H out of the plastic bags and gave it a wash. I was hoping to do an OOB build, but there is so much needing to be done. Opened up my Dragon Late Brummbar to0 see what extra's were in there that I could use, (picture Simpsons theme music here) 'hmmmmmm spare parts' .

No, must resist temptation to start conversion and scratchbuilding, must resist........... must resist........... resistance is futile. (Where did that voice come from?)

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 9:18 AM

Petbat LOL ... you too... When I build a kit I pull out ALL of the variants I have to see what can be swapped.... Its more fun having 5 different colored spures on the bench or worse their all the same color and tryin to sort them back out when your done...

SO did you find any thing useful in the Brumbar box... I have that one but haven't looked at it in years. If I didn't want and Pz IV proper I would build that one...

Peace ya'll

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wipw

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January 2003
From: Utah - USA

Posted by wipw on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 10:04 AM

I got the Eduard pe mesh side screens on order for my Dragon J yesterday. I downloaded the instructions last week and the screens look incredible. Now, if I can just sort all the little pics of clamps and fittings out, I'll be in good shape.

btw; anybody else bugged by the fact that a lot of times the PE instructions say to use a piece of plastic rod, or something, and they don't tell you what diameter to use or how long to make it?? Guess they figure if you want to use their sets, you should be able to sight in a piece, but that's why I don't do scratch building! I'm sure this is no big deal to Peter, Mike, and Domi, among others!

Bill ==========================================================

DML M4A2 Red Army ==========================================================

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 11:22 AM

Well gang after checking photos, the only Dampers that should be on the D version are the first and last ones. I have removed the middle three and filled them in. The only thing I goofed on was using a pen to mark the openings that I made and unfortunately the pen bled thru. I will post Pictures later tonight. Else wise things are progressing nicely.

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 1:52 PM

feldgrau23, Im sorry to say this, but the Pz D should have all the dampers. They can be hard to spot in some photos, but they are there. If you check out the museum photo about half way down the page, you will see the dampers. Here is the link:
http://www.wwiivehicles.com/html/germany/pzkpfw_iv_photos.html

The dampers that the Tamiya Pz IV D has are incorrect in shape though. Here is another photo of a Pz IV G, but it still has the correct dampers.

http://tanxheaven.com/dg/panzer4Gdg/panzer4Gdg-008.jpg

I believe it was the Pz C and before that did not have the dampers. You should be able to easily tell thought because the D had a new gun mantel shield and had extra support around the tow hitch in the back.

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 3:24 PM

How about the Jagdpanzer IV....its the same chassis...??

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wipw

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January 2003
From: Utah - USA

Posted by wipw on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 3:28 PM

Question about Zimmerit on these things (specifically a J). Did the Germans put zimmerit on the lower hull between the tortion bars above the road wheels? I saw a picture somewhere of someone doing a IV of some type and he put zimm there. It makes sense, I guess, since they didn't have the big road wheels to cover the sides of the lower hull. Dragons kit has some parts placement marks there and if it's proper to put zimm over it, I won't bother cleaning up the area quite as well.

Thanks

Bill ==========================================================

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 3:54 PM

Bill, Most pics I have seen of Pz IVs with zimmerit dohave it on the lower hull... yes.

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 4:03 PM

Welcome to the forum gcbob, and yes the Jagdpanzer IV was built on a Pz IV chassi.

Bill, some Pz IV Js did have zim on them, and I have seen them with and without zim on the lower sides of the hull. However, if you are building the Dragon Pz IV J, you should probably leave the zim off. The vertical exhausts included in the Dragon Pz were not incorporated until August of 44 and they stopped applying zim in September of 44. So very few of these Pzs had zim on them. If you must have zim on the tank though, I would put it on the lower hull sides.

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wipw

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January 2003
From: Utah - USA

Posted by wipw on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 4:37 PM

Thanks, Erick. I didn't know that about the zimm not being on all Iv J's. I guess I was going by the pic on the boxtop (I think it shows zimm!??! Confused [%-)]

) . I've actually been dreading it for some reason on the IV, so will be more than happy to leave it off, thank you very much! Smile [:)]

What do you find is a good ref for the IV's in general??

Thanks for you help, as always

Bill ==========================================================

DML M4A2 Red Army ==========================================================

========================================================== -- There is a fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness". (Author unknown)

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 6:09 PM

Thanks for the Info Edog. I was really unsure. I have found some pics with them and some without. Most likely then the Info with the pics is wrong. No harm tho. If they were wrong then they needed to come off anyhow. Do you have a pic of the way they should look??? If you do I can probably manufacture some.

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