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Meng FT-17 French Light Tank Riveted Turret

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Posted by the doog on Sunday, November 2, 2014 12:19 PM

Perfunctory "attaboy" here, Bill. lol.

Seriousl--it's looking way cool. :)

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Posted by wbill76 on Sunday, November 2, 2014 3:22 PM

Thanks Bish and Karl! Beer

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Posted by wbill76 on Sunday, November 2, 2014 4:57 PM

With the trench portion of the base done, I turned my attention to the top side of the base. Once the vehicle is placed, most of it will be covered with the shell crater being the main point of focus. I added some Mig Russian Earth pigments to the inner rim of the crater and in various places where I wanted to create some deep shadows. Mig Dry Mud pigments helped create more variation in the top side look and feel.

I hand brushed some Future acrylic floor polish to the bottom of the crater to protect the paint work done earlier and let it dry. Then a thinned wash of Afrika Braun was added and built up through multiple doses to create some muddy water effects. More Future was carefully hand brushed over the Braun wash to round out the 'puddle' accumulation.

I think I've got the base where I want it now, so will let it sit and turn back to getting the FT17 to match up.

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  • From: back country of SO-CAL, at the birth place of Naval Aviation
Posted by DUSTER on Wednesday, November 5, 2014 3:20 PM

  +   YOU'RE ON FIRE

Steve

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Posted by RBaer on Wednesday, November 5, 2014 5:04 PM

The base is looking good, and I have to say I like the idea of a base included in the kit.

Apprentice rivet counter.

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Posted by wbill76 on Wednesday, November 5, 2014 6:19 PM

Thanks Steve!

Russ

I think it's a nice touch for Meng to include it especially given the relatively small size of the tank to begin with. That and of course it's a fitting little scene for it considering! Wink
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Posted by wbill76 on Saturday, November 8, 2014 4:06 PM

Started in on the weathering for the actual tank itself. First order of business were the tracks, they received some dry-brushing using MM enamel Steel to add to the previous airbrushed base coat and give them a more metallic look.

The metal contact surfaces of the sprockets and idlers were detailed with some MM non-buffing metalizer Steel and then dry-brushed with MM enamel Burnt Umber. Using an old worn out brush,  I also stippled some of the Burnt Umber onto the suspension and lower hull areas as the first round of weathering to create some scuffing/scratching and wear and tear. More to come in this area of course before it's all said and done!

Next up will be a coat of Future to seal it all up and allow for the markings to go down.

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Posted by mustang1989 on Sunday, November 9, 2014 6:05 AM

Good going Bill. This all has to be my favorite part of an armor build and one I hope to get alot better at. Without the weathering they look like brand new equipment on the battlefield.    

                   

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Posted by wbill76 on Sunday, November 9, 2014 2:38 PM

Thanks Mustang! Weathering is always the fun part of a build IMHO as well! Beer

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Posted by wbill76 on Sunday, November 9, 2014 7:10 PM

Markings are on! The kit-supplied decals are by Cartograf and the only modification I made was to separate the little '5' numerals for the turret from the heart insignia and applying them individually. Some Solvaset was applied to ensure they snugged down tight and once dry, a 2nd coat of Future was airbrushed over them to seal and protect for the washes and weathering to come.

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Posted by wbill76 on Monday, November 17, 2014 5:23 PM

Weathering work continues on this little guy, first step was an overall application of thinned MM enamel Raw Umber. This inevitably darkens the finish but is meant to serve as a foundation for the dot filtering step that comes next and not an independent layer per se.

The dot filter application came next. I used small dots of MM enamel Raw Sienna, Light Gray, and the 50/50 base coat mid for the filter. The vehicle is fairly small to begin with, so I used different sized square-tip blender brushes where appropriate to get into some of the tighter spaces.

Will let that sit and the apply a pin wash to help pop out some of the detail as the next step.

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Posted by Bish on Tuesday, November 18, 2014 11:58 AM

Nice work there as always Bill. I have been meaning to ask you about your pin washes. The first time I heard about these, people were using all sorts of colours, red, blue, yellow, white etc. But yours are rather restrained. Is this just a matter of taste or do you think they are for different effects.

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Posted by wbill76 on Tuesday, November 18, 2014 12:03 PM
Bish

Nice work there as always Bill. I have been meaning to ask you about your pin washes. The first time I heard about these, people were using all sorts of colours, red, blue, yellow, white etc. But yours are rather restrained. Is this just a matter of taste or do you think they are for different effects.

Thanks Bish! I assume you mean the dot filters vs. the pin wash? You're right in that dot filtering got its start with people using mostly primary colors as a way to add tonal variety and depth to a multi-color scheme. Nothing wrong with still doing that and you're right in that my choice of colors are aimed at a different effect. I use it more for dirt/dust streaking and weathering than altering the base colors and so my choice of 'dots' reflects that depending on the type of finish I'm after. The same principles of application hold regardless but the choice of colors definitely changes the end result. HTH! Beer
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  • From: Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, England
Posted by Bish on Tuesday, November 18, 2014 12:10 PM

Thanks. I had tried the other method in the past, including on my Marder, and I found it did give a darker result, which was fine for a more heavily weathered finish. But the inside of the 251 I followed your idea, but I didn't have raw sienna at the time and so used a different colour, but the effect was just what I have been looking for for ages, especially for a less weathered look. Its nice to get an insight into the reasons for the different methods, and its defiantly a method I really like.

And yes, sorry, I meant the dot filtering.

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Posted by the doog on Tuesday, November 18, 2014 3:46 PM

Looking appropriately grimy and gunky, Bill!

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Posted by the doog on Tuesday, November 18, 2014 3:55 PM

Bish

Nice work there as always Bill. I have been meaning to ask you about your pin washes. The first time I heard about these, people were using all sorts of colours, red, blue, yellow, white etc. But yours are rather restrained. Is this just a matter of taste or do you think they are for different effects.

Bish, if Bill will forgive my intrusion on this thread... Wink

I was one of the first to use this "oil dot" method on my Hetzer here on FSM, if you remember that? I got the technique from a then-mostly-unknown Spanish modeler named Mig, who published in "Armor" Magazine, which was sold exclusively through Squadron. Mig came about the technique of using primary colors--red, blue, yellow, etc,-- as a means of simulating the effect of the bright Spanish sun on a vehicle, and the refraction from the brightly colored buildings and environment. (his explanation of it). Bill really rather pioneered the technique here of using more muted colors. I (being a purist Whistling) used to give him heck about it but at this point it has become a "standard" technique in its own right, and his "signature style" if you ask me. Smile

But I agree with you in that I think that the primary color method does lend a more "weathered" appearance whereas Bill's method is more restrained. Different methods for different results. What a wonderful modeling world. Big Smile

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Posted by Bish on Tuesday, November 18, 2014 4:27 PM

Karl, indeed I do remember that and I believe it was your use of it that caught my attention. I think one of the problems I found with the method you used is that its easy to over do, I have found myself getting a rather over done finish, probably by using two many dots and dark colours. But with Bill's I found I got the exact result I wanted first time out. So, more practice, you can never have to many tools in the chest.

And thanks for the explanation. Knowing the history of these methods can helps explain their purpose.

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On the bench: Airfix 1/72nd Harrier GR.3/Fujimi 1/72nd Ju 87D-3

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Posted by wbill76 on Tuesday, November 18, 2014 4:36 PM

Thanks Karl and of course no problem at all with adding to the discussion on the origins and purpose of dot filters. Always more than one way to skin the cat when it comes to weathering and finishes. Wink

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Posted by wbill76 on Tuesday, November 18, 2014 5:02 PM

More progress on the weathering, this time it was the pin wash turn to make all those rivet details stand out. I used a pointed 10/0 brush and some highly thinned MM enamel Burnt Umber.

After the first pass, I used some clean thinner and the same brush to remove excess wash or adjusted it where needed to get the desired effect.

And just for fun, a quick check with the base to make sure things are still headed in the same direction.

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Posted by disastermaster on Wednesday, November 19, 2014 4:46 AM

http://i358.photobucket.com/albums/oo29/pigletmph/ztoohot.gif Really hot Bill.

I'm sure this is going to be one of your favorites. http://www.sherv.net/cm/emoticons/bye/waving-sad-bye-smiley-emoticon.gif

Sherman-Jumbo-1945

"I was so much older then, I'm younger than that now"

 

 
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Posted by wbill76 on Wednesday, November 19, 2014 10:20 AM

Thanks Steve! Always a pleasure to have the smiley-king stamp of approval. Wink

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Posted by Bish on Wednesday, November 19, 2014 12:27 PM

Looking great Bill and looks really nice on that base.

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On the bench: Airfix 1/72nd Harrier GR.3/Fujimi 1/72nd Ju 87D-3

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Posted by wbill76 on Wednesday, November 19, 2014 1:19 PM

Thanks Bish! Almost home with this one.

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Posted by Bish on Wednesday, November 19, 2014 1:46 PM

And then what's next me wonders.

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On the bench: Airfix 1/72nd Harrier GR.3/Fujimi 1/72nd Ju 87D-3

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Posted by wbill76 on Wednesday, November 19, 2014 5:06 PM
Bish

And then what's next me wonders.

I'm thinking something relatively simple for a quick change of pace...might do the Bronco Seehund that's been in the stash for a little while! Wink
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Posted by Tojo72 on Friday, November 21, 2014 8:04 AM

Washes toned it down real nice Bill

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Posted by Bish on Friday, November 21, 2014 12:27 PM

That's a 35th kit isn't it? Now that would be interesting to see.

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Posted by wbill76 on Friday, November 21, 2014 1:03 PM

Thanks Anthony!

Bish

Yes, the Seehund is a 1/35 kit. Pretty good size but not very many parts since it's a midget sub.
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Posted by Bish on Friday, November 21, 2014 1:07 PM

Ye, I have read a couple of reviews on it. I have a couple of 72nd U-Boats and I know there's a couple of Seehunds in 72nd, but I think I would rather have that in a larger scale. I have read its pretty good OOB but there's room for improvement if one wishes to.

Defiantly look forward to seeing it being built.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

On the bench: Airfix 1/72nd Harrier GR.3/Fujimi 1/72nd Ju 87D-3

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Posted by wbill76 on Friday, November 21, 2014 1:18 PM

Every kit always has room for improvement depending on how far you want to go with it! Big Smile I'll probably do this one as an OOB effort depending, famous last words though! Wink

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