A CHALLANGE to all of you Tread heads.

Brown, you hit on nail on the head, there are no real limits.

Also, appart from the Dr Who kit (I figgured some of you had to be fans, and may not have known about the new Airfix kits), all of these kits lend themselves to what comfort zone you have, like SMJ was saying. 

The MA.K 1/20th scale were designed by WWI and WWII Buffs who wanted to do something scifi,  I have seen some done in up German camo and they look amazing, there also great candidates for heavy weathering.  The details on them are crisp but have room for additions if you want to scratch, the figures and the heads are very nicly sculpted, better then some 1/35th I have seen.

The Macross kits are half scifi jet fighter kits, with an anime giant robot twist, they can be built and displayed in fighter mode, and make a definate eye catching piece.

The gundam kits, while not having a close root, take ALOT of stuff, storyline, and weapon and design from WWII, ALOT of the weapons come straight from allied and axis weapons.  I have put and seen gundam kits, with zimmerit added on in makeshaft patches over the legs, torso and arms, it looks very good, they also look quiet good with certain types of Wwii camo.

I chose the kits I linked for a reason, I didnt just grab anime catgirl figures and such and throw them up, I thought this thing through.  In the end, if you built one and didnt want to keep it, you could always sell it, scrap it for parts, put it on display in your LHS to drum up buisness for them.

And not like all of them are expensive, the cheaper (priced) gundam ones can cost upwards of 12$

And lets not forget, Doog is the last one that should have stones casr at....I mean Doog recently broke down and tried building his first aircraft (I think I also read he has tackled ship modeling once or twice also).  If that does not show diversity and breaking from the mold I have no clue what is!

Look, it comes down to this.  We all took on the hobby so we could build stuff that interests us.  If you are not interested in a subject it is just going to be way to hard to keep yourself entertained.....I mean, this IS supposed to be fun, right!?

Brian

P.S. I also find something hypocritical in the origional post too.  First you rail on about "montone" paint schemes and why you did not challenge anyone on certain other sci-fi kits, yet....YET...the 3 Maschinen Krieger kits you linked us too are ALL monotone paint schemes (except for one which looks to offer you a second option which looks like nothing more than a checkerboard paint job). 

Brian

 

Hows that for some, on the site I linked

Well aside from my multitude of military modles in my stash (land, sea, and air) I do have a few odds and ends of sci fi in there too. But above all, as others have pointed out already, the subject matter must interest me. The new Pegasus "War of the Worlds" (50s version) Martian War Machine will find its way in to my collection one day soon and hopefully be built. If I could ever find the "Aliens" Drop Ship and APC at affordable prices, those would be there too. I have Rodan in there (want Ghidira) and several Star Wars and Star Trek kits as well. I have assisted my son in his younger years building a few Gundams- cool kits, but not my style. Revell is re-issuing kits from my younger years that are certainly out of my mainstream comfort zone- The Red Baron, Rommel's Rod, but I will pick them up just to have some fun. Along with a Polar Lights Mach 5 (the coolest car on TV ever aside from ZZ Top's Eliminator...)

Off you go Steven.  Back to Sci-Fi.  There's a good lad......

Is there any kind of Gundam or Sci-Fi kit that can be played with by a small boy? I ask because I wouldn't mind doing one. They actually seem kind of cool to me in a weird sort of way. My only concern is my almost 3 year old wanting to play with them.

I'm not asking to be a smart-***. If there is something like that out there, I am genuienly curious to know. Fill me in please if you can.

Regards,

Jeff

well depends on what you mean by 'play'

Any model kit, if given to a little kid, will get the paint all scratched and dinged, and needs to be sealed and such to keep it safe, but there are alot of gundam kits that can be for little kids to play with.

Also depends on what kind of toys he plays with (I dont have kids yet, thank god, so I dunno what they play with at what age)

These run fairly well for any younger kids and have a fan following because of them being cute

http://www.gundamstoreandmore.com/ban75671.html

http://www.gundamstoreandmore.com/ban904023.html

http://www.gundamstoreandmore.com/ban72791.html

 

If he can handle things like action figures, try these

http://www.gundamstoreandmore.com/ban901787.html

http://www.gundamstoreandmore.com/ban902407.html

http://www.gundamstoreandmore.com/ban919251.html

http://www.gundamstoreandmore.com/ban925650.html

 

Some are classic designs, some seem more fit for younger kids, some have accessories that could lend to fun for your son.

As long as you make sure all the paint is sealed and safe, and that you glue all of the parts securley so he cant pullem appart, they should be fine.  

Worse comes to worse (and I dont condone this action) you could just snap, glue, and give

Well, Smeagol, you and I have had this conversation before, I think, so you probably can guess were I'm goin', but for the sake of others, I'll be a bit more detailed in my answer..

Forst of all, I'm first & foremost a Military Modeler... This means that I build military models that encompass all the areas of the battlefield, i.e. Land, sea, & air... Although I don't do large Navy Ships of the Line, I do small craft that can be found in 1/35th scale.. Since I build dioramas exclusively, I model vehicles (tracked and wheeled, Combat and support, tube and rocket artillery, motorcycles, male & female figures both military and civilian, horses, donkeys, dogs, boats, aircraft, houses, barns, sheds, shacks, trees, shrubs, fences, walls, roads and trails, to name a few)...  Now that that's said, I also build civilian vehicles and aircraft which may be needed in one of my dioramas... That includes military vehicles that have been built up from their civilian counter parts, like staff cars and the odd Citroen here & there..  I also build Sci-fi dioramas, or have in the past, since the [i]Star Wars X-Wings, A-Wings, Snowspeeder, & TIE Fighter, Battlestar Galactica Viper & Raider, and Star Trek's Shuttle crafts & pods...  I like to do thaose because I can build whatever support gear and bases that strike my fancy, and I can light 'em up in all kinds of different ways, LED, incandescant, miniature and automotive, AC/DC, steady burn and flashing/chasing, colored & plain...

I use plastic, metal, wood, paper, cloth, epoxy, resin, RTV Rubber, Autobody filler, celluclay, and plaster, and I glue, solder, hammer, nail, and tape stuff together and paint with enamels, acrylics, oils, water colors, tempera, latex, and magic-freakin'-markers ...

So basically, I'm stretched about as far across the hobby as I'm willing to go, and am not going to build a gundam or mecha or any of the "Japanimation" stuff because it doesn't interest me in the least... 

You'll have to be content with Galictica Hangar Bay diorama that's in the pipeline, and before you say it, I LIKE "monotone" spacecraft that are heavily weathered, dinged, dented, stained, & scorched... 

Bottom line is that I don't want to build any sci-fi kits from any scfi-fi shows or movies that I've never seen, or didn't want to sit through after a few minutes trying... I'll do Star Wars, Star Trek, Alien II, Battelstar Galactica, Lost in Space, Space: 1999, and the like as the mood strikes me and kits are around though...

That, young Jedi, is the extent of what I'll do...  No "Panzer IVs in Space" though, no way, no how...

Come up with another idea like your Secret Santa Armor group build though, and I'll play again...  That one was a keeper, even though I haven't started my kit yet...

G'luck, Space-case..

P.S.  Doog's Eagle ROCKED! 

Yeah, I am stretched about as far across the hobby as I'm willing to go too.  I build Tamiya 1/16th R/C tanks and not necessarily right out of the box either.  Sometimes I'll get the cheaper Heng Long tanks and stuff the electronics from Tamiyas in them, or completely build another version with resin aftermarket kits.  The mechanical and electrical challenge is enough to keep my interest high enough so I don't burn out on just a styrene build.  And there are so many details that can be improved or made to be an actual functioning item that a single build can last a few years.  Metal tracks, updating the gearbox and suspensions & wiring ... the costs can soar.

Once in a while I'll break out a 1/35th kit that I've been itching to build and it's pretty refreshing.

So there's your challenge smeagol ... get into some R/C gear for a change. 

firesmacker wrote:

Is there any kind of Gundam or Sci-Fi kit that can be played with by a small boy? I ask because I wouldn't mind doing one. They actually seem kind of cool to me in a weird sort of way. My only concern is my almost 3 year old wanting to play with them. I'm not asking to be a smart-***. If there is something like that out there, I am genuienly curious to know. Fill me in please if you can. Regards, Jeff

Toys R Us used to carry a line of Gundam kits that were virtually an action figure that needed assembling. I built a few of these with my son (he's 12 now, I think he may have been around 5-6 at the time). He was able to play with them, but not quite as roughly as he played with his Pokemon action figures. They were around $5-10 back then.

This thread reminds me of somebody trying to get a football team to try ballet.

Can we get back to Armor now?

the doog wrote:

This thread reminds me of somebody trying to get a football team to try ballet. Can we get back to Armor now?

I tend to favor sci-fi kits that are in essence, armor kits. I find it to be little different than the paper panzers armor modelers build. There are a line of Dougram 1/72 scale kits that are military vehicles used to defend (I think) against the larger robot warmachines. Some of these kits look an awful lot like US WW2 3/4 ton Dodges, Jeeps and armored cars very similar to modern day Strykers and BTRs.

the doog wrote:

This thread reminds me of somebody trying to get a football team to try ballet. Can we get back to Armor now?

Nah ... looking at the rest of the threads here it fits most certainly. 

I would check on ebay.  Tons of Gundam/sci-fi kits you just can't shake a stick at!

I would if I had the cash for such a large project.  I wouldnt mind having myself a LARGE scale RC tank, and theres also a 1/60th scale gundam kit that I want to RC (the mech hovers, and the feet are LARGE, so you could easily fit some wheels inside of them, gettem remoted and there you go.

There's a fairly decent M1 Abrams R/C you can get at Target On-line for about 15-20 bucks, Smeagol... It'll need work, LOTS of it, to be a scale model of real quality, but it's pretty fun as is... I bought one each fer me an' the grandson and we fight 'em when he comes over.. He's 7 and is turning into quite the clanker...

What do you mean when you say alot of work?  Crappy fit, poor moldings?

Ill check it out though, there are a few academy RC kits for sort of cheap, a 1/25th panther G.  What scale is the abrams in?

I mean it's a toy...  Dunno about the scale... Looks like about the same scale as those small GI Joes.. I'm not carin' about that it's a toy or not though...  The basic hull and turret's right, needs some vis-mdding here & there and has a few things I've seen on any tank anywhere, but it's designed to get beat up by kids in a back yard, so that part's ok... I'd say that it's as good as any of those put out by 21st Century Toys though..

Be even better after I get it armed...

Well I have strayed from armor.  Mine was not scifi, its R/C naval warships.  That is where you stick low powered bb guns into a 1/144 scale warship.  Heck, I don't even have any PE on it.  In reallity it is a semi-scale ship.  Just the basic structures.  Oh yeah, the hull is sheeted in 1/32" balsa.  The ship that I have is the USS Wichita and she carries two guns and a bilge pump.  Yep, the first time out and I got it sunk.  Made a couple of rookie mistakes and was pounced on.  It was a blast.  Now the mark IV H that I am building is fun.

Kim

     Everyone... Its just that I live with a mindset that you never know what you are going to like untill you try it.  That doesnt go for EVERYTHING but it goes for alot of things.  I understand if someone doesnt like Japanimation like everyone likes to say (though, I bet every one of them watched some anime as a kid, speed racer, robotech, something).  Honestly though, that doesnt matter to me, because they might not like the subject or not konw anything about it, but find that they enjoy the living heck out of building it.

    I find building these kits not only to be fun, but to be a challange you wont EVER get building armor or any scale.  A Master grade bandai gundam kit, for example... a GM the SIMPLIEST DESIGN, it has just been released in a 2.0 version, it has 12 runners of parts, now for lets say something more advanced, the Ex-s Gundam, has 30runners of parts and multiple packs of screws for support on joints.  Or maybe a Perfect grade it, while alot more expensiv... the GP02/Fb 46 rnners of parts, metal parts (solid metal, not photoetched), and wiring for included LEDs (anywhere from one to alot depending on the kit) All of these kits not only come with the parts, but VERY detailed instruction manuals, some of the best I have seen actuially, a small to large selection of dry transfer decals, and in some cases a stand/base.

That might not mean much to any of you honestly, but when I see that, I find it to be a challange myself, I want to try and build it to see what I can do with it.  Along those lines... I see so many builds of tanks and such, weathering aside, that are the same because its this person's tiger, or this person's panther, as was said before, scifi is just that, fiction, you can do anything you want to your kit to make it look how you want without having to worry about rivet counters and whatnot, its a great way to express yourself without being confined.  Its another reason I didnt add startrek or Starwars, there is SO MUCH information out there on that, its hard to break the mold often, because if you do an A wing in green its from one squadrin, if you do it in blue, its from that one, but if you build a Lunar Pawn Ma.K kit, its basicly up to you what to do with it, can be whoever's, you can make your own decals.  Hans, you said your account name is a fictional char you used when you were younger with your friends, you could simply make custom decals for said char if you wanted.

I guess that reason is why I sorta flipped out when the discussion started on my halftrack about me not using the correct shade of gray... I just find those things nuts.

I honestly think most people feel that these mecha japanimation things are toys and cant be taken seriously as well, with their bright colors and such, but its really, honestly not true.

  Was a winner of the... 2005 bandai asian cup, I believe.

There is one modeler, though he himself is a jackbutt, is an absolutley amazing modeler, I dont think I have ever shown his work here, his tag is Fitchenfoo (www.fitchenfoo.net)

(from a series I forgot about D: called Votoms, same type of mech thing you guys abhore)

 

 

 

 

 

I thought by trying to show you some of the non gundam, more... plausable things, the votoms, the Ma.k (which is quite plausable, if you think about it) you would like it a bit more, there alot closer to your building scale, can use the same weathering techniques and painting techniques but in a brand new way.

Steven, I "get it' that this topic is obviously dear to your heart, and is important to you for your own reasons, but I don't think you're quite "getting" it back. Many modelers here diversify, and quite well, in fact, but building a mecha kit is not the only "standard" for "branching out" or challenging oneself. You seem to be stuck on the insistence that "If it ain't Mecha, it ain't ***"? Try to sell it all you want, but allow me to point out some observations;

smeagol the vile wrote:

Everyone... Its just that I live with a mindset that you never know what you are going to like untill you try it.  That doesnt go for EVERYTHING but it goes for alot of things.  I understand if someone doesnt like Japanimation like everyone likes to say (though, I bet every one of them watched some anime as a kid, speed racer, robotech, something).  Honestly though, that doesnt matter to me, because they might not like the subject or not konw anything about it, but find that they enjoy the living heck out of building it.

I don't think you're taking into account that for a lot of modelers like myself, part of enjoying the build is knowing something about the thing you're building. You couldn't bribe me to sit through a manga or mecha cartoon, so I highly doubt that I would enjoy building a big, over-anthromorphosized robot which is theoretically outside the bounds of reality. I mean, just the suspension of the Laws of Physics involved in the existence of such a thing would be so extreme that it could never exist in actuality--that's reason enough for me not to build something. It's not like a "paper panzer", which were real designs that could have and would have existed had not the war ended. Even the Space 1999 Eagle--it was based on sound theoretical considerations and design.

  

smeagol the vile wrote:

I find building these kits not only to be fun, but to be a challange you wont EVER get building armor or any scale.

Steven, honestly now--do you have any idea how subtly condescending that sounds? Imagine if one of us went into the Sci-Fi forum and said "Well I find these tanks to be a challenge you won't EVER (emphasis noted) get building Gundam or any scale"? I mean, seriously, Steven--check yourself here please?

smeagol the vile wrote:

A Master grade bandai gundam kit, for example... a GM the SIMPLIEST DESIGN, it has just been released in a 2.0 version, it has 12 runners of parts, now for lets say something more advanced, the Ex-s Gundam, has 30runners of parts and multiple packs of screws for support on joints.  Or maybe a Perfect grade it, while alot more expensiv... the GP02/Fb 46 rnners of parts, metal parts (solid metal, not photoetched), and wiring for included LEDs (anywhere from one to alot depending on the kit) All of these kits not only come with the parts, but VERY detailed instruction manuals, some of the best I have seen actuially, a small to large selection of dry transfer decals, and in some cases a stand/base.

Yeah, well; a typical multi-media kit also contains a lot of bells and whistles--PE, metal, wiring, clear parts, metal cables, resin--how about that 1/16 Trumpeter King Tiger? Have you seen the parts in that? Or how about the K5 Leopold or Dora kits? You wanna talk complexity? Even the 1/35 DML Pz IVD mit 7.5 cm KwK 40 L/43--over 35 sprues, packed with parts, and that's not counting the tracks and full "goodies card" with the PE, tow cables, clear parts, etc. While your enthusiasm is commendable, smeagol, but your perspective is short with regard to the comparision you've attempted to make, and some could even take it as a tad condescending.

smeagol the vile wrote:

That might not mean much to any of you honestly, but when I see that, I find it to be a challange myself, I want to try and build it to see what I can do with it.  Along those lines... I see so many builds of tanks and such, weathering aside, that are the same because its this person's tiger, or this person's panther,

-geez; ya know, it's funny that you say that, because that's exactly what I think when I see alot of those gundam kits! But I'd never go into the SCi-Fi forum and actually say that..?!

smeagol the vile wrote:

...as was said before, scifi is just that, fiction, you can do anything you want to your kit to make it look how you want without having to worry about rivet counters and whatnot, its a great way to express yourself without being confined.

I actually find the "requirement" to build within at least some sort of parameters to be a "plus" to the kit's building, and I would get bored too easily wit a kit where I could theoretically do anything and it would be "OK". I know that for some modelers like myself, the research, knowledge of, and striving to create and replicate something with at least a nod to accuracy, detail, and a plausible finish is just as important --and enjoyable--as gluing and painting.

smeagol the vile wrote:

I guess that reason is why I sorta flipped out when the discussion started on my halftrack about me not using the correct shade of gray... I just find those things nuts.

Ahhh, now--now I get the reason for this whole "challange" thing. Dr. Hannibal Lector would have a field day with this, but I'm just going to say "Thank you agent smeagol.."

smeagol the vile wrote:

I honestly think most people feel that these mecha japanimation things are toys and cant be taken seriously as well, with their bright colors and such, but its really, honestly not true.

Well, you certainly hit the nail on the head there, as far as I'm concerned. I DO look at Gundam/Mecha kits as toys, marketed to kids in a "WWF" vein. They look like wrestlers, with over-accentuated psuedo-anatomical parts that would serve no purpose in a real design, and are really purely aesthetic enhancements done for artistic "style". A REAL mecha would be impractical, clumsy, and easy to knock over--only the suspension of physics in the "anything goes" world of Japanimation makes them fun to watch. As a modeling subject though, in my personal opinion, that "anything goes" aspect of building one leaves me cold. I am of the opinion that it takes more skill by far to build something that could be a realistic machine (car, plane, tank) that conforms to the Laws of Physics and reality--demanding a recognition of certain weathering and finishing requirements. And some of the SCi-Fi modelers we have here DO that with some of the Armor-styled vehicles and spaceships, so I'm not saying that one can't be a tremendously talented Sci-FI modeler----but to postulate, as you have, that somehow the Armor crowd is "missing out" because of the requirement of accuracy and historical fidelity strikes me as...well, perhaps not too well-thought-out?

That KV-thing dio is pretty cool, but to be honest, I'd be thinking of the real tank if I tried to build that...

You have said how you feel about this many times, why not go build something instead of constantly posting page long posts about how I am wrong?

the doog wrote:

This thread reminds me of somebody trying to get a football team to try ballet.

LOL...good analogy Karl......perhaps another might be the much over-used "you can lead a horse to water...but you can't make him drink"

Smeagol, although I believe I understand what you're trying to do...ie. get people to "expand their horizons"...I don't agree with your approach, or at least how it degraded to the point of throwing insults at not just an individual (who's Eagle build-up was amazing in my opinion...especially when you consider the quality of his starting point and the mods he had to perform to give it a modicum of authenticity) but also in how you've generalized the whole armour forum down to something that bores you. I won't even pose the obvious question about why you'd hang around a place where the duplicity of the subjects being posted bothers you...

You've thrown out the invitation...albeit clumsily...and even had a few expressions of interest...but for me, you summed up why I'll pass on your invitation in your original post...although I'd finish the paragraph differently:

smeagol the vile wrote:

Now I know what some of you are saying 'thats not my cup of tea' 'I only build what I am interested in'  I know and I hear you, but sometimes its good to branch out.  What is the WORST that could happen?  You spend a bit of money on a nice kit...

...that I will never finish, because it doesn't interest me and that I've grown a resentment against because because I wasted good money on something that's burning up the few hours I have for this hobby. [end of revised paragraph]

Diversity may be what motivates you...but trying to force it down the throats of others, who are not like-motivated, serves no purpose other than to alienate people.

Personally, I have enough trouble finding time to work on things that interest me and that are important to me...I would find it nothing short of work to try and model something that I have no passion for...regardless of how many pics and links you post of your passion...and my model table is a designated "work-free, relaxation zone".

I'll get off my now and saunter back to the boring ol' Armor Forum...it is after-all the reason why I'm here...it's where my interest lies.

This is one linebacker that isn't considering switching his cleats for a pair of toe-shoes.

Cheers

moose421 wrote:

Well I have strayed from armor.  Mine was not scifi, its R/C naval warships.  That is where you stick low powered bb guns into a 1/144 scale warship.  Heck, I don't even have any PE on it.  In reallity it is a semi-scale ship.  Just the basic structures.  Oh yeah, the hull is sheeted in 1/32" balsa.  The ship that I have is the USS Wichita and she carries two guns and a bilge pump.  Yep, the first time out and I got it sunk.  Made a couple of rookie mistakes and was pounced on.  It was a blast.  Now the mark IV H that I am building is fun. Kim

You seriously put bb guns inside of 1/144th scale warships?  Thats wicked, where do you get the Bb guns that small?  That would be awesome to put in a RC tank or something.

smeagol the vile wrote:

You have said how you feel about this many times, why not go build something instead of constantly posting page long posts about how I am wrong?

LOL, well now, Steven, I tried to make a polite, considerate dissection of your post not about "how wrong" you were/are, but about why your ham-handed proposition and your subtle condescension was not bearing fruit, and you come back with that. It was meant in the most diplomatic, constructive way I coud think of putting it, Steven,

I guess I'm not surprised at your reaction.

caSSius said what I'm sure others are thinking as well--"...you've generalized the whole armour forum down to something that bores you. I won't even pose the obvious question about why you'd hang around a place where the duplicity of the subjects being posted bothers you...".

I was hoping to enlighten you as to why so many of we Armorers have no interest in Gundam kits and why we find Armor to be every bit as exciting, challenging, and UN-boring as you seem to think that it's NOT.

Here's a "challange" to YOU, Steven--first, why don't you re-read my post to see what I was trying to impart, second, why don't you think about learning some manners, and third, why don't YOU build some armor that has at least a nod to historical fidelity and accuracy?

 

 

 

 

Can't we all just get along???

Seriously, threads like this are what keep me from posting more. If I state an opinion and word it in a not-so-pollitically-correct way,  a whole bunch of people are going to gang up on me. I didn't read any hostility in Smeagol's original post, I just saw some opinions and a friendly challenge....just for fun. He wasn't telling anyone to "not like" armor or to "fall in love" with mecha-type stuff, he was just telling us what he thought. I thought that was part of what this forum is for.....sharing opinions. Mabye that's true, just don't dis the big dogs!(pun intended)

Just my ......guess I'll be on the S*** list now.....this thread just rubbed me the wrong way.

 

Geesh guys--y'all are certainly gettin awfully ANAL about your likes and dislikes--I have read the whole thread--most of it is not even good discussion ---it is almost getting mean spirited---go build a tank go build a Gumdam-- who gives a crap--- sorry--tread

Max, thank you for getting my point.  I just wanted to share a bit of my world that these guys would never really experiance.  I also want to see what some of the best modelers I have the pleasure of talking to and learning from could do with these types of kits, thats all.

Rob Gronovius wrote:

firesmacker wrote: Is there any kind of Gundam or Sci-Fi kit that can be played with by a small boy? I ask because I wouldn't mind doing one. They actually seem kind of cool to me in a weird sort of way. My only concern is my almost 3 year old wanting to play with them. I'm not asking to be a smart-***. If there is something like that out there, I am genuienly curious to know. Fill me in please if you can. Regards, Jeff Toys R Us used to carry a line of Gundam kits that were virtually an action figure that needed assembling. I built a few of these with my son (he's 12 now, I think he may have been around 5-6 at the time). He was able to play with them, but not quite as roughly as he played with his Pokemon action figures. They were around $5-10 back then.

They were the 1/144th scale kits for the Gundam Wing series.  The wing series sort of started bandai up again with putting out gundam kits, there was a lul before that.   Those kits are the real gap between the vintage kits and the modern HGUC ones.  They take ALOT of work to get right, some of them are real terrors, not even looking how they should (like the sandrock kit)  I have all of them,  never had the patience to do anything more then snap them, just takes TO much work.

Alot of the modern 1/144th scale kits can be purcfhased between 10 and 20$  (more then 5-10, but with the tooling improvements) check here http://www.gundamstoreandmore.com/uncenmodkit1.html for a full lineup of them. 

smeagol the vile wrote:

Max, thank you for getting my point.  I just wanted to share a bit of my world that these guys would never really experiance.  I also want to see what some of the best modelers I have the pleasure of talking to and learning from could do with these types of kits, thats all.

There's nothing wrong with your proposition, Steven, but you have much to learn in "the way to say it" On top of pooh-poohing "monotone color schemes" (95% of all Allied Armor), and "this person's tiger, or this person's panther,", on two separate parts in this thread (unless I'm being paranoid?) you call out my models as examples of something that you found either boring, uninteresting, or lacking in detail--I mean, honestly; tell me, how did I read you wrong?

"...how the heck many Hetzers has Karl built"--honestly, I've built two--not exactly "stuck in a rut" now, is it?

"Doog did that spaceship not to long ago, while it came out looking great, it wasnt that... detailed, color wise or weathering wise"--honestly, now? Ever hear of "a compliment that's not a compliment"?

I don't care WHO you are--until you can show me the same dedication and patient, diligent detailing in one of your builds as I lovingly put into that model alone, I would say that you have no right to casually throw around such remarks.

And I don't care who I am, or who anyone here thinks I think I am--any modeler here who has put as much time, effort, and care into the helpful tutorials and availability to help and advise in many, many PMs (even you quite recently) as I have deserves a little respect.