A CHALLANGE to all of you Tread heads.

smeagol the vile wrote:

I have tried, but he wont stop

WOrry not--I got nothin' left to say; wouldn't make a dent anyway, apparently.

LOL Steve--

I mean no offence to either of you dudes---stawberry, chocolate or vanilla---it's all good --- just different flavors---tread

Well, I spent the time to read through all of this "urinary contest". Hopefully everyone who reads it understands "sometimes you feel like a nut and sometimes you don't". Everybody is different.

Now that we have gone to our respective corners, could we please let this thread DIE and move on.....please!

Rounds Complete!!

Well, I'm not going to comment on what this thread has boiled down to. It wouldn't serve any effective purpose. This post is about my personal experience.

I have built at least one model in about every genre there is, and to be honest, I enjoyed each and every one of them on some level, some more than others.

I did build one or two of the Gundam kits not to long ago, and while I did enjoy the builds, when i was done, they were given to my nephew to put on their shelves. I just found that they really weren't my cup of tea. 

One of the things I like about what is on my shelves is that when somebody asks about them, I can tell a story. "that one? Well, that is a representation of the Higgins boat that my Uncle Larney drove at Anzio.", or "that's a model of the '65 Mustang that my father bought when he left the Air Force", or "That's a German 105mm, we have a real one at the shop if you want to see it."

I guess what I am saying is that these things are more tangible to me, have more physical meaning. It isn't that I don't like the Gundam Universe, it's just that I can't see myself living in it.

That being said, I do have two or three more Gundam/Anime style kits in the stash that were given to me. When I break one out again, I promise that I will post the progress. Chances are, though, it will be getting a WWII style paint job!

Steve

P.s. I DO have to say, though, that THIS is just STELLAR!

I have an affinity for everything Steampunk/Jules Verne style, and I would love to have one of these!

WOW this tread got ugly.  I didn't read any hostility in the challange. BUt I guess that is just me.  I figure if you don't like what some one is saying don't read it or comment on it.  Just my worth.  And that is all it is worth.

But as for the bb guns, if you would like to see what the R/C naval combat is about there is the website of the main rule body that we fight under.  Modelwarshipcombat.com and the local club is Portpolarbear.com  The guns are built by a guy in Minneasota and you can also buy them from battlersconnection.com

Thanks for showing a little interest in it, Steve.

Take care everyone

Kim

Awesome moose, Ill check that out

Irish, I guess you are like me,  Ill build anything atleast once, there is always something to enjoy about it.  I quite enjoy building the turrets on tanks, I enjoy detailing the small little things on the inner frames of gundams, I enjoy scratch building details to makem look cooler.

I know not everyone keeps their builds, what you do with it when your done is your own choice, I know hans tears his up after a bit, to each his own.  Heck, you give yours to your nephews, one day there gona see the work you put into them and really treasure them (I assume they usem as toys as kids do)

You should follow the link to Fitchenfoo's website, he has some stellar work, he really does

Karl, stop taking everything so personal.  Every non wip thread that we both post in turns into a screaming war, just because people dont share your beliefs dont scream them at the person.  I built this so many some people over here could, I dunno, find something else to build with tanks, get some of the enjoyment that I get watching and doing Scifi builds.

As far as scifi being whatever you want, I enjoy that in wips even more then doing it myself, because if someone is doing a Sherman, you know what to expect, except in some cases where they go over the top and far beyond whats the norm (like chuck w's builds, or building the internals when they will only be seen through a small hole if you look carefully).  I like that whatever goes in scifi wips because it makes them interesting, you want to watch to see how they approach it, what they do that makes it their own, and if it works or not.  If it doesnt work, well then scratch it up to youth/old age and try again, or, since its a wip on a forum, see what the others have to say to see what you did wrong...

Leme put it into some terms you may really understand Karl, its like when your writing a new piece of music, when you bring it to the band there are always little tweaks and twists, re-orchestrations, additions and subtractions, but when you go and play a symphony, theres not really any room for change.  Both can be absolutley beautiful, but each has it's drawsbacks and Bonuses, do you understand?

Its the same with scifi builds, granted 'anything goes' but there are limits and norms people stick to, noone goes over the top or really beyond thouse boundries, they keep it as realistic as possible for the most part.  Granted, with gundams people can go over the top, but look at some of the others, its not just gundam or macross.  Look at the Ma.k, look at that Votoms build by fichenfoo.  You say that the Eagle you build was plausable, well the Ma.K suits are just as plausable imho. 

And just to show what it looked like since I dont think most people here know what a votoms kit is.

At the risk of setting this whole thing off again... 

Smeagol, while mechs aren't my thing, that one with the KV turret and armored legs is cool, as are the Road Warrior-styled units made from found parts.  For me they all work in an artistically acceptable science/historical fiction vision of the world's possible futures.  They're big, clunky and utilitarian in the extreme and this makes them more believable to me.  The hyperstylized units with theoretical weaponry are unrelatable to my taste in sci-fi and historical fiction. 

I shudder to comment on that steampunk unit- but I will anyhow.  I very strongly dislike the steampunk aesthetic and culture.  But.. that mech is incredibly well done and to my eyes flawless.  I can easily acknowledge the builders skill, attention to detail and design vision and give them the respect that the work deserves.  But it doesn't mean that I like it. 

Insofar as breaking out of boundaries and building a mech..?  Possibly in the future if I see something that I dig like that KV walker or dream up an idea to scratchbuild but not soon.  I do have Aurora's Cornelius from Planet of the Apes to finish one of these days... now that's sci-fi!

Lastly, I do appreciate your efforts to bring some us further into the darkness of scale armored warfare.  I wouldn't be aware of those mechs that I mentioned if it weren't for you making the effort to bring them to our attention, thank you.  They're not something that I'll go looking for, but if I see one that looks interesting I'll pause and look at it.

Thats all im trying to do, educate you guys on what you probably wont ever see besides that tiny little table at the end of the juding hall with 3 or 4 kits on it.

the reason I threw the Ma.k kits up there, other then them being wicked little kits, is they are quite utilitarian, and more feasable then most others.  I mean, we live in the space age, its quite plausable for colonisation of space, is it not?  Wars not going to go away, its just gona migrate to space as well, and in space, you sort of need a space suit, right?  Well you want protection, so you armor it... WOAH you have something out of MA.k right there, eh'

You know what I find funny though, I watched Iron man today, and I thought, so many people here probably read iron man when they were young, or still do, and find it TOTALY acceptable, but dont like mecha, heh, its the same thing, except Iron man is an American Mecha, as opposed to a Japanese mecha.

smeagol the vile wrote:

Thats all im trying to do, educate you guys on what you probably wont ever see besides that tiny little table at the end of the juding hall with 3 or 4 kits on it.

So you mean that modelers like me who are not (and probably never will be) into mecha are uneducated?  

Now you're just picking words to start a fight. Read what you quoted. He's trying to educate armor modelers on the few sci-fi models that appear at shows.

Although most sci-fi categories in the shows I attend normally have a good number of models, often times more entries than ships or biplanes.

I supose that its a Yeti manny...

As far as the educated thing, im trying to educate, as in teach, inform, help you learn, about something you do not know, see?  

(rob, there not ALL from shows, the Ma.k was designed specificly for models actuially, its sort of odd.)

I noticed there were more scifi then biplanes and ships, but the biplanes and ships were so much nicer.  I blame the fact that the latter two are so darned hard (all the rigging on biplanes and such)

Read what I wrote, I use the word show as in model show, i.e. contest, not show as in TV, film or movie.

I would dare say I built a Ma.K kit long before you were able to use an X-acto knife.

smeagol the vile wrote:

I supose that its a Yeti manny...

Yeah, or a big, albino wolf...it is sorta scary---more scary to me than the soldiers...

No, I've moved more times in the last 27 years than states you've lived in, and built models don't tend to travel cross country and overseas well. I wish I had hung onto many of the classic kits I built while in college and in my early years in the Army. Kits like the Black Hole's Cygnus, Buck Rogers' Starfighter, Revell Dune kits and the old Entex Message From Space series of fighter craft got junked during moves in the 80s. At least I was beyond the BB gun and firecracker stage.

I remember reading about Ma.K back while I was in college in the early-mid 80s. One of the English Literature courses I took was Science Fiction English. My college (Hofstra University) had one of the larger libraries in the NY metropolitan area and carried both classic and new science fiction material. Way back then, there were some nicer hobby shops that carried all sorts of interesting and unique kits. Having grown up on AMT Star Trek and Aurora's TV show models (Seaview, Flying Sub, Invaders UFO, Spindrift, Voyager), I was interested in the kits as they appeared in the late 80s.

I think the first two kits I built from that series was the Fireball and the Nutrocker. If I were to guess, it would have been in 1985-87, my last couple years in college, but before I entered active duty the summer of 1987.

Smeagol.. About the signature photo..

I read the cameramans own experience on the internett someplace (Can't find it again, it annoys me!) and that is a costume a German soldiers put on. It was just for the heck of it. I think they found it, or got someone to make it..  There are other pictures of it aswell---Pretty funny

And going over to sci-fi, as some of you may have noticed, I build Warhammer 40.000. Check my signature if you haven't!

I do like it because it gives a sense of realism. Most of the stuffs aren't exagerated, and much do give lines from WWII, WWI, and some modern. Plus, it got a storyline. Games Workshop, ForgeWorld and the Black Library prints a wide range of storybooks, telling stories. most of these are neither exagerated.

I like the Warhammer story. Mainly Warhammer 40K.

Even my dad (A real WWII die-hard) said that "Warhammer isn't really that bad. The models are very well detailed and they do have some sort of authenticy!"

-Lasse

Huxy wrote:

Smeagol.. About the signature photo.. I read the cameramans own experience on the internett someplace (Can't find it again, it annoys me!) and that is a costume a German soldiers put on. It was just for the heck of it. I think they found it, or got someone to make it..  There are other pictures of it aswell---Pretty funny

I still think it is a real wolf...notice how they are holding it on either side so it won't run...

Oh, it's real all right.

Note that the officers are positioned as far away as they can be, and both still look very nervous.

It is real.  

Well yeah, of course it's real.  We can see it on the internets...

Rob Gronovius wrote:

Now you're just picking words to start a fight. Read what you quoted. He's trying to educate armor modelers on the few sci-fi models that appear at shows. Although most sci-fi categories in the shows I attend normally have a good number of models, often times more entries than ships or biplanes.

No Rob, I am not trying to pick a fight. Actually I have watched this thread from the start and tried not to reply but I am just trying to point out that he is not being very careful with his choice of words that is why he is somehow irritating some posters. The way words are used can often give them different meanings. (Take note of the "confused" smiley.)

Smeagol.

I can see why you started this post.  The guys in sci-fi are, lets say, a bit intense ?

I am primarily an aircraft guy, with about 8 armour kits in the stash and two complete, since I rediscovered modelling in '05.  Group Builds tend to dictate what I build next.

I personally, find the Armour forum more interesting than others, not only because of the quality of the builds, but the characters that hang out here.  Pound for pound, I feel that there is more stimulating conversation, interesting debate and technical information here than in other threads.

Maybe you feel the same way ?  But, being sci-fi to the core, you want to start steering the conversation to sci-fi, so you can have the best of both worlds ?  Hang out with your buddies, but talk about topics that interest you ?  Cant have it both ways.

You tried something, it didnt work.  From what I can see here, even the tread-heads that have an interest in sci-fi arent going to drop everything for a mecha build.  Why not call it a day ?

I stopped reading this after about the 1st half of page one cuz i knew where it was going to go. And sadly it is still going.

So how long before we can go to the main page and NOT see A CHALLANGE to all of you Tread heads as the most recently updated post.

LETS BUILD SOME ARMOR

Dwight Ta-ala wrote:

No Rob, I am not trying to pick a fight. Actually I have watched this thread from the start and tried not to reply but I am just trying to point out that he is not being very careful with his choice of words that is why he is somehow irritating some posters. The way words are used can often give them different meanings. (Take note of the "confused" smiley.)

I beg to differ. He basically says that he wants to educate armor modelers regarding sci-fi models. YOU, yes you, come up with the inflammatory notion that he means that modelers who are not into mecha are uneduated. He never implies that someone is uneducated in the general truncated sense when YOU used his word out of context. Just that he wants to educate you about sci-fi models.

BIG difference between calling everyone uneducated (who isn't into mecha) and wanting to educate armor modelers about a subject they may not know much about. The worst you could extrapolate from his statement is that he assumes armor modelers are unaware of sci-fi models. If that notion insults you, you got personal issues.

I'm not into Sci-fi, but I do like this tank (Goliath) from my son's video game Unreal Tournament.

Also, the warthog from Halo video games

I'd like to see some models come of these vehicles, but am unaware of any.