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The Road to Bastogne

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Posted by Ixion on Friday, January 18, 2019 12:24 PM

This photo can be found on page 368 of Battle of the Bulge, Then and Now. It is identified as being from CCA of the 9th Armored, on N15, at Petite Rosiere, on or about Dec. 20-21. A present day photo of the location is also included. Looking at a higher resolution image confirms that the other, illegible road sign as being Neufchâteau. Not much else helpful in the accompanying text though...

Not a bad guess, Eh? Whistling Ok, so I got the wrong road....Black Eye

 

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Posted by stikpusher on Friday, January 18, 2019 12:02 PM

Ok, I did a little research based upon that road sign. The location is in the road between Neufchareau and Bastogne, near the village of Nives. The M4, probbably is from Combat Command A of 9th Armored Division, which was located southeast of Bastogne at the opening of the offensive. Combat Command B and Combat Command R were both to the northeast. CCB was sent as a blocking force in front St Vith, and CCR was sent as a blocking force in front of Bastogne (and pretty much destroyed in their delaying actions). CCA along with the 4th and 28th Infantry Divisions was on the southern shoulder of the bulge and was bumped west. The M4 has characteristics of the 9th armored division- camouflage painting, and sommerfield matting added for foliage attachment. But without seeing any bumper codes, it is not 100% definitely a 9th AD tank. But based off the known things in the photo, yes it is a Sherman, on the road to Bastogne from Neufchateau near Nives, and most likely from CCA, 9th armored division in the opening days of the Bulge. As to who is ithe jeeps? That will take more looking into...

 

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Posted by Ixion on Friday, January 18, 2019 11:55 AM

I'm attempting to locate the area where the photo was taken. If you examine the road sign, you can barely make out what I believe is "Grande Rosiere" and "Nives". If you Google Maps; "Nives, Belgium", and zoom in closely, you will find a nearby town of "Rosiere la Grande", about 2 miles NW of Nives, which I'm going to go out on a limb and say it's the same town. I'm guessing this photo was taken near the town of Rosiere la Petite, which is in-between Rosiere la Grande and Nives, possibly on what is now "N85", about 6 miles SW of Bastogne. 

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  • From: Sonora Desert
Posted by stikpusher on Friday, January 18, 2019 11:00 AM

Enlarging that photo shows that the road on which the M4 is advancing is to Bastogne, not St Vith. Also the sun is out in this photo, as evidenced by the pronounced shadows, which pretty much rules out the early phase of the battle. The lack of snow matches the early days of the fighting in most areas. Something of a contradiction between those two points. This photo sure presents some questions... is it what the captions say it is? Yes it is in the Ardennes area, as evidenced by the road sign. But as to where specifically, what units are there, and when it was taken...

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

       - Plankton

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Posted by Pawel on Friday, January 18, 2019 6:25 AM

Hello!

So what are those three models going to be? I sure would love to see some build photos here!

Good luck with your build and have a nice day

Paweł

All comments and critique welcomed. Thanks for your honest opinions!

www.vietnam.net.pl

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The Road to Bastogne
Posted by Sergeant on Friday, January 18, 2019 4:31 AM

Please note that during the discussion that follows this original post it was discovered by Ixion and Stikpusher that my photograph was actually a location 14 km from Bastogne instead of near the town of St. Vith. Ixion has provided a link to the actual location which will allow you to look around the intersection at a mix of newer and original buildings that existed in December 1944.

 

I‘ve started assembly of three models I intend to use in a diorama called ‘Road to St. Vith’. The event in history occurred on or about 16 to 19 December 1944, see Warfare History link below: I’m looking for clarification on who is in the Jeeps.

https://warfarehistorynetwork.com/daily/wwii/the-battle-of-the-bulge-the-defense-of-st-vith/

Fact checking: It sounds like the men in Jeeps along the road to St. Vith were U.S. Army liaison officers rather than military police? My understanding is that during the Battle of the Bulge military police were normally directing traffic and provided some reconnaissance, so to have liaison officers on the road instead of enlisted personnel would be unusual.

A Sherman tank of the 9th Armored Division heads into action against the advancing Germans during the Battle of the Bulge.

“The 424th Infantry had its back to the Our River, and if the Germans seized the bridge at Steinebruck and spread along the far bank his regiment would be hard pressed to effectively withdraw. Communications with division headquarters in St. Vith were limited to liaison officers running along a road now being shelled by the Germans.”

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