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Posted by armornut on Saturday, March 25, 2017 2:05 PM

Only if yauntoo, sorry Don, Fermis, couldn't resist.

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Posted by fermis on Saturday, March 25, 2017 2:52 PM

armornut

Only if yauntoo, sorry Don, Fermis, couldn't resist.

 

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Posted by Tanker - Builder on Saturday, March 25, 2017 2:57 PM

Okay Cadet Chuck ;

   Are you trying to say some of us have no skelling spills ? That's ridiculous think I . persecution of da langwich is no mean feet . Wattevir is writtin heer it's godda be right . Dern .  T.B.

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Posted by Stage_Left on Saturday, March 25, 2017 8:03 PM

Friends, modelers, countrymen: lend me your ears;

I've come to bury the question mark, not to praise it.

The evil that men do lives after them; the good is oft interred with their bones.

So let it be with the question mark.

The noble 20-something hath told you that the question mark was ambitious;

If it were so, 'twas a grievous fault, 

And grievously hath the question mark answer'd it.

Here, under leave of the 20-something and the rest-

For the 20-something is an honourable man;

So are they all, all honourable men-

Come I to speak in question mark's funeral.

It was my friend, faithful and just to me;

But the 20-something says it was ambitious,

And the 20-something is an honourable man.

It hath brought many inquiries home to the page

Whose answers did the general curiosities fill. 

Did this in the question mark seem ambitious?

When that the unlearned have inquired, the question mark hath been their punctuation.

Ambition should be made of sterner stuff.

Yet the 20-something says it was ambitious,

And the 20-something is an honourable man.

You all did see that on the message post,

I thrice presented it with boldface type,

Which it did thrice refuse; was this ambition?

Yet the 20-something says it was ambitious,

And, sure, he is an honourable man.

I speak not to disprove what the 20-something spoke,

But here I am to speak what I do know.

You all did love it once, not without cause;

What cause withholds you then, to mourn for it?

O judgement! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,

And men have lost their reason. Bear with me;

My heart is in the coffin there with question mark,

And I must pause till it come back to me.

 

Dave (liberally paraphrasing Shakespeare)

 

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Posted by the doog on Saturday, March 25, 2017 8:24 PM

armornut

Let not your heart be troubled dear Doog, for you are among friends. Yes our written language has taken a HUGE hit since the advent of the telephone and hence the upgrade in technology it brought with it. I for one am guilty as charged of run along sentences, improper punctuation, and my mild pet peev....spelling. It is one thing to speak the word incorrectly while someone is listening, however to type it and think that everyone will know what your trying to say. Again I to am guilty. Perhaps the saying "better to be thought of a fool than open your mouth and prove it" should be applied in this strange new world. In conclusion I agree with everybody who commented in this thread, a simpler time has been religated to the annals of history and we must set forth on a new path to continue to succeed. P.S. I gots grandma roasting on the spit, what kinda BBQ sauce shoulds I put on her?Confused

 

Oh, I agree--the spelling is atrocious! I see "definately" alot----NO "A" in "definiitely"! But you have to realize too, with the whole spelling thing, that very often a spelling "mistake" is the fault of that damned "auto-fill" feature. Sometimes when I'm posting on my iPad, the stupidest things get put in that sometimes don't even make sense. I'm always having to proofread my posts to make sure I don't sound like a....millenial. :)

I prefer a hickory smoke on the BBQ. Stick out tongue

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Posted by the doog on Saturday, March 25, 2017 8:27 PM

Don Stauffer

 

Using the word the before a word starting with a consonent used to be pronounced th-ah.  If the second word started with a vowel, it was sounded like thee.  Now it is pronounced the same for either kind of word.

 

 

Really? I honestly never knew that! Very interesting!

My pet peeve is when people put an "R" on the ends of words like "China" when the next word starts with a vowel. Must be some silly grammar rule I never heard of. You'll hear things like "Delegates from 'Chiner" are meeting today..". Drives me NUTS!

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Posted by armornut on Saturday, March 25, 2017 8:42 PM

LOL Doog, yea my wife and brother in law,( brother-in-law?), finally shut my auto correct function off, I prefer to spell my curse words and mean them. Being from up northern way the local vernacular does take some....getting used to....Zip it!. Got a fresh bottle of hickory in the fridge. What time should I expect ya?                 

T.B. never doubt that what ya type is for sure what you mean. Always a pleasure to share a laugh witchya. 

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Posted by PontiacRich on Saturday, March 25, 2017 8:44 PM

the doog

 

 
Don Stauffer

 

Using the word the before a word starting with a consonent used to be pronounced th-ah.  If the second word started with a vowel, it was sounded like thee.  Now it is pronounced the same for either kind of word.

 

 

Really? I honestly never knew that! Very interesting!

 

My pet peeve is when people put an "R" on the ends of words like "China" when the next word starts with a vowel. Must be some silly grammar rule I never heard of. You'll hear things like "Delegates from 'Chiner" are meeting today..". Drives me NUTS!

 

 
The "R" seems to be a geographical issue.  Being from Boston, people accuse me of not using R's (as in car is cah!) yet we seem to put R's at the end of words that end in a vowel (as pizza is pronounced pizzer).  Yet when I lived in Washington State, Washington was pronounced WaRshington by many natives.

Rich - "And when the Band you're in starts playing different tunes, I'll see you on the Dark Side of the Moon" - Pink Floyd

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Posted by armornut on Saturday, March 25, 2017 8:48 PM

Awesome observation Pontiac, true. Doog just to rib ya a bit definitely, I observed a third "i" tucked in there....just saying LOL.

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Posted by the doog on Saturday, March 25, 2017 8:53 PM

fermis

 

 

 There seems to be a fine line between well spoken and pretentious (look how smart I am, with my big words).

 

You know, I get that charge ALL THE TIME, and I don't understand it. I admit; I have a very advanced vocabulary (apparently?!) and I like to use it. It's not being pretentious; it's choosing exactly-specific words to accurately convey what I mean or want to say. I look at it like an art; it's like weathering your sentences with exactly the effect that you want to make your sentence look like and make the reader/observer feel. But if I had a dime for every commentator on some of the political blogs that I go on who say "You think you're smart with your big words..", I'd be a rich man. It has nothing to do with that---it's all about the art and skill of concise communication.

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Posted by fermis on Saturday, March 25, 2017 9:20 PM

the doog

 

 
fermis

 

 

 There seems to be a fine line between well spoken and pretentious (look how smart I am, with my big words).

 

 

 

You know, I get that charge ALL THE TIME, and I don't understand it. I admit; I have a very advanced vocabulary (apparently?!) and I like to use it. It's not being pretentious; it's choosing exactly-specific words to accurately convey what I mean or want to say. I look at it like an art; it's like weathering your sentences with exactly the effect that you want to make your sentence look like and make the reader/observer feel. But if I had a dime for every commentator on some of the political blogs that I go on who say "You think you're smart with your big words..", I'd be a rich man. It has nothing to do with that---it's all about the art and skill of concise communication.

 

 

 My comment was in no way, an accusation towards you. I have never felt that way when reading any of your writing here. I have only felt that about one person here, and I don't believe he's around anymore (he tended to show up, only when there was an argument). Anyway, not to be a kiss@$$, but I can only compliment you on your "wordsmithery".

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Posted by mississippivol on Sunday, March 26, 2017 8:54 AM

Does an emoji countHmm

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Posted by BlackSheepTwoOneFour on Sunday, March 26, 2017 9:04 AM

the doog

 

 
armornut

Let not your heart be troubled dear Doog, for you are among friends. Yes our written language has taken a HUGE hit since the advent of the telephone and hence the upgrade in technology it brought with it. I for one am guilty as charged of run along sentences, improper punctuation, and my mild pet peev....spelling. It is one thing to speak the word incorrectly while someone is listening, however to type it and think that everyone will know what your trying to say. Again I to am guilty. Perhaps the saying "better to be thought of a fool than open your mouth and prove it" should be applied in this strange new world. In conclusion I agree with everybody who commented in this thread, a simpler time has been religated to the annals of history and we must set forth on a new path to continue to succeed. P.S. I gots grandma roasting on the spit, what kinda BBQ sauce shoulds I put on her?Confused

 

 

 

Oh, I agree--the spelling is atrocious! I see "definately" alot----NO "A" in "definiitely"! But you have to realize too, with the whole spelling thing, that very often a spelling "mistake" is the fault of that damned "auto-fill" feature. Sometimes when I'm posting on my iPad, the stupidest things get put in that sometimes don't even make sense. I'm always having to proofread my posts to make sure I don't sound like a....millenial. :)

 

I prefer a hickory smoke on the BBQ. Stick out tongue

 

Smoked, BBQed, makes no diffference to me as long it's cooked and delicious.

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Posted by the doog on Sunday, March 26, 2017 10:28 AM

fermis

 

 
the doog

 

 
fermis

 

 

 There seems to be a fine line between well spoken and pretentious (look how smart I am, with my big words).

 

 My comment was in no way, an accusation towards you. I have never felt that way when reading any of your writing here. I have only felt that about one person here, and I don't believe he's around anymore (he tended to show up, only when there was an argument). Anyway, not to be a kiss@$$, but I can only compliment you on your "wordsmithery".

 

Dave, don't worry----sincerely, I dind't think it was at all. I'm just saying that I get that alot from a certain crowd. I didn't think you were in any way referencing me. :)

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Posted by armornut on Sunday, March 26, 2017 10:32 AM

Well its about time 214, we have been neighbors for years. LOL

One of the best ways to show intelligence at a first impression, ie job interview, first date,business, etc, is to use proper english. I think the problem lies in folks hearing "big words" and not knowing the meaning of the word, use them out of context. I try to use proper english as much as I can and I like to expand my vocabulary not to overpower folks however to get my point across as clear as possible. Now if I can just get my punctuation down.....lookout world. Now where DID I hide that ?????

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Posted by the doog on Sunday, March 26, 2017 10:34 AM

I have to say, I'm thoroughly enjoying the conversation, ribbing, and information and input in this thread. Good to know that I'm not the only one who is lamenting the corruption of our written language. Keep the thoughts coming, anyone who has something to contribute. :)

 

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Posted by the doog on Sunday, March 26, 2017 10:40 AM

armornut

Well its about time 214, we have been neighbors for years. LOL

One of the best ways to show intelligence at a first impression, ie job interview, first date,business, etc, is to use proper english. I think the problem lies in folks hearing "big words" and not knowing the meaning of the word, use them out of context.

 

OMG, I know! We've had some pretty big political figures use words that they seemed to have no idea what they mean! I think W used to score some real zingers there if I recall? Big Smile I hope I didn't just make this thread go noo-klee-ur... Propeller

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Posted by Don Stauffer on Sunday, March 26, 2017 10:58 AM

PontiacRich

 

 
the doog

 

 
Don Stauffer

 

Using the word the before a word starting with a consonent used to be pronounced th-ah.  If the second word started with a vowel, it was sounded like thee.  Now it is pronounced the same for either kind of word.

 

 

Really? I honestly never knew that! Very interesting!

 

My pet peeve is when people put an "R" on the ends of words like "China" when the next word starts with a vowel. Must be some silly grammar rule I never heard of. You'll hear things like "Delegates from 'Chiner" are meeting today..". Drives me NUTS!

 

 

 
The "R" seems to be a geographical issue.  Being from Boston, people accuse me of not using R's (as in car is cah!) yet we seem to put R's at the end of words that end in a vowel (as pizza is pronounced pizzer).  Yet when I lived in Washington State, Washington was pronounced WaRshington by many natives.
 

And we had a President who would say, "let us attack Cuber with vigah!"

Don Stauffer in Minnesota

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Posted by DasBeav on Sunday, March 26, 2017 1:42 PM

To this day I still keep a dictionary on my nightstand. It would drive me crazy not to know definition of a word I am not 100% sure. But what do I know, friends used to make fun of me because I read encyclopedias. Kind of miss those World Books....

P.S. I really like the dictionary function on E-Books...My dictionary is heavy!

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Posted by PontiacRich on Sunday, March 26, 2017 3:26 PM

Don Stauffer

 

 
PontiacRich

 

 
the doog

 

 
Don Stauffer

 

Using the word the before a word starting with a consonent used to be pronounced th-ah.  If the second word started with a vowel, it was sounded like thee.  Now it is pronounced the same for either kind of word.

 

 

Really? I honestly never knew that! Very interesting!

 

My pet peeve is when people put an "R" on the ends of words like "China" when the next word starts with a vowel. Must be some silly grammar rule I never heard of. You'll hear things like "Delegates from 'Chiner" are meeting today..". Drives me NUTS!

 

 

 
The "R" seems to be a geographical issue.  Being from Boston, people accuse me of not using R's (as in car is cah!) yet we seem to put R's at the end of words that end in a vowel (as pizza is pronounced pizzer).  Yet when I lived in Washington State, Washington was pronounced WaRshington by many natives.
 

 

 

And we had a President who would say, "let us attack Cuber with vigah!"

 

Big Smile Angel

And now we have one that thinks "Bigly" is actually a word Censored

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Posted by Aaronw on Sunday, March 26, 2017 5:56 PM

Congratulations, with this post you have caused me to come out of the shadows to offer my support to your message. I like my punctuation the way I like my women, with some curves. Kiss I agree that the question mark is by far the sexiest of all our punctuation marks. 

As a Gen X'r I'm not supposed to like email or texts but I love those technologies. Texting is so conveinient and unobtrusive compared to a phone call. It is unfortunate that it has led to "leet speak" and a deterioration of the written word. I am guilty of some abbreviation BTW, IMO etc but have resisted the true abomination of using numerals as a replacement for words.

 

As for cursive, I learned to read and write with it in the 3rd grade. My mother uses it heavily so I have mainted the ability to read it more or less. I use it when signing my name but beyond that I have little use for it outside of artistic purposes. The vast majority of my writing is done electronically these days except for note taking which in my case is an appalling drunken chicken scratch of scribbles.

 

It is time to bring back School House Rock, I still hear some of these songs in my head when I'm trying to remember rules of grammer.

 

 

 

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Posted by Bish on Monday, March 27, 2017 2:32 AM

the doog

 

 
armornut

Let not your heart be troubled dear Doog, for you are among friends. Yes our written language has taken a HUGE hit since the advent of the telephone and hence the upgrade in technology it brought with it. I for one am guilty as charged of run along sentences, improper punctuation, and my mild pet peev....spelling. It is one thing to speak the word incorrectly while someone is listening, however to type it and think that everyone will know what your trying to say. Again I to am guilty. Perhaps the saying "better to be thought of a fool than open your mouth and prove it" should be applied in this strange new world. In conclusion I agree with everybody who commented in this thread, a simpler time has been religated to the annals of history and we must set forth on a new path to continue to succeed. P.S. I gots grandma roasting on the spit, what kinda BBQ sauce shoulds I put on her?Confused

 

 

 

Oh, I agree--the spelling is atrocious! I see "definately" alot----NO "A" in "definiitely"! But you have to realize too, with the whole spelling thing, that very often a spelling "mistake" is the fault of that damned "auto-fill" feature. Sometimes when I'm posting on my iPad, the stupidest things get put in that sometimes don't even make sense. I'm always having to proofread my posts to make sure I don't sound like a....millenial. :)

 

I prefer a hickory smoke on the BBQ. Stick out tongue

 

You should try being English. All those Auto fill's and spell checkers are set to American, so they are always trying to take the U out of words amongst other things. Not that my spelling needs any help from an Auto correct, i can spell perfectly badly all on my own.

And definately is definitely one of my weak points. But only with 2 i's not 3 Wink

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

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Posted by the doog on Monday, March 27, 2017 8:56 AM

Aaronw

 

As a Gen X'r I'm not supposed to like email or texts but I love those technologies. Texting is so conveinient and unobtrusive compared to a phone call.

 

I actually deeply dislike texting and emails. I'll constantly annoy people by calling them to find out small details or things that are better and MUCH easier conveyed in simple conversation.

For instance: setting up a guitar lesson; I'll get a text from a student saying something like "Can't make tonight; may have work tomorrow. Do you have anything open on Thr or Fr?"---there is NO WAY I am going to text a response on my 2009 flip-phone!

Rrrrrrring....."Hello, Henry? Yeah, you have to work tomorrow? You don't know? Ok, well if you don't I have 10 or 11 AM open. If not, how about 2:00 on Thursday? Friday's no good for me. OK? OK, then let me know for tomorrow, and if not then, I'll see you on Thursday, thanks"!

What takes less than 5 minutes of conversation would have taken us fully a dozen texts or more and probably 20 minutes. Ugh. What a nightmare.

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Posted by the doog on Monday, March 27, 2017 9:01 AM

Bish, just remember that the root of "definitely" is "define". No "a" involved anywhere. Alternately, think of "finite". That's how I remember it. Smile

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Posted by Bish on Monday, March 27, 2017 9:12 AM

the doog

Bish, just remember that the root of "definitely" is "define". No "a" involved anywhere. Alternately, think of "finite". That's how I remember it. Smile

 

Now, hold on there. No body told me i had to think, let alone remember things. I ain't no genius you know.

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Posted by templar1099 on Monday, March 27, 2017 12:00 PM

The thoughts,observations and humorous anecdotes expressed here-to fore are exceeded only by my inability to expound upon them.

"le plaisir delicieux et toujours nouveau d'une occupation inutile"

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Posted by Tanker - Builder on Monday, March 27, 2017 12:06 PM

Ah Goldhammer ;

 I do that a lot some days , Cursing in writive is a creative title . , .  T.B.

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Posted by Tanker - Builder on Monday, March 27, 2017 12:13 PM

Doog ;

 That is one of my pet peeves .We talk about the one thing that could wipe out everybody and don't even pronounce it right .It is not NuKya leer  , or newculer it plain and simple Nuclear - Pronounced New Clear . There is no Kya Or Cul in it .  T.B.

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Posted by Tanker - Builder on Monday, March 27, 2017 12:18 PM

Oh My ;

 I like that Allusion to the " Bard " By the way, What's a  "Bard" ?  T.B.

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Posted by Tanker - Builder on Monday, March 27, 2017 12:19 PM

Armornut ;

 Nyce ta see dat youse is one ob usins .LOL.LOL.LOL.  T.B.

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