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Posted by osher on Wednesday, October 14, 2009 10:42 AM
One person has the aircraft main designation right (but I need at least the initial sub-grouping).  Someone else has mentioned the country.  Look at the last few answers, think about the clues - and the answer, and the floor, is yours!
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Posted by Borg R3-MC0 on Wednesday, October 14, 2009 10:25 AM

I think it is the Curtis H-75 (also called Hawk) It was one of the french most numerous fighters and was used by the Vichy French against american forces during operation Torch.

Only nitpick is that I would consider France western Europe, not east or central. So that is why I think my answer maybe wrong (only eastern eureopean country to speak a Latin language is Romainia)

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Posted by simpilot34 on Wednesday, October 14, 2009 9:36 AM

Spanish Bf-109s?

Cheers, Lt. Cmdr. Richie "To be prepared for war, is one of the most effectual means of preserving the peace."-George Washington
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Posted by osher on Wednesday, October 14, 2009 9:02 AM

Nope, not the Gladiator.

Here are the clues again:

1. This was a top of the line aircraft

2. The country that sold it then invaded the country it sold them to.

3. The aircraft had  recently been involved in probably it's most famous battle

4. The recipiant country is in central/eastern Europe, and speaks a Latin language.

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Posted by simpilot34 on Wednesday, October 14, 2009 8:50 AM

I'll take stab at it, Finnish Gladiators?

Cheers, Lt. Cmdr. Richie "To be prepared for war, is one of the most effectual means of preserving the peace."-George Washington
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Posted by osher on Wednesday, October 14, 2009 8:16 AM
OK, the airforce that these aircraft were sold to belong to a small nation in central/easturn Europe that speaks a Latin based language.  The aircraft itself had just been bloodied in, probably, it's most famous battle, where it was the principle aircraft, of it's genre, for this side.  As far as I know, this was the only time this aircraft fought itself in a war when it was original equipment (as opposed, to, say, when it crossed the border of a neutral country it had also been sold to).
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Posted by Milairjunkie on Wednesday, October 14, 2009 7:54 AM
Dont know about "too hard", but it is in now way easy (not suggesting that you should furnish more info or anything like that!!!!)
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Posted by osher on Tuesday, October 13, 2009 5:50 PM
Is my question too hard?
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Posted by Phil_H on Tuesday, October 13, 2009 10:31 AM

 Milairjunkie wrote:
BUT, it's Soviet, it's pot ugly & it couldn't be called a strike fighter as it seems it could carry Fuel or Weapon, but rarely both at the same time. Unless it planned to strike the ship it was launching from, It wouldn't be striking much.

True enough Big Smile [:D]

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Posted by Milairjunkie on Tuesday, October 13, 2009 10:18 AM

OK, I should have been a bit more thorough with my research, the Yak-38 was VTOL + supersonic in 1971ish.

BUT, it's Soviet, it's pot ugly & it couldn't be called a strike fighter as it seems it could carry Fuel or Weapon, but rarely both at the same time. Unless it planned to strike the ship it was launching from, It wouldn't be striking much.

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Posted by osher on Tuesday, October 13, 2009 10:01 AM
During the 1940's this country, finding it had enough capacity, sold top of the line aircraft to a number of other nations.  Just a short while later it went to war with one of these nations, and thus, was in the unusual position of it's top of the line aircraft fighting near identical aircraft, including aircraft of the same model series.  What was the aircraft, and the model designation?
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Posted by Phil_H on Tuesday, October 13, 2009 9:39 AM

 Milairjunkie wrote:
In more recent years the F-35 has managed to combine VTOL & supersonic performance.

Interestingly enough, the Soviet Yak-38 "Forger" did it first, over 30 years ago.

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Posted by Milairjunkie on Tuesday, October 13, 2009 9:30 AM

Correct,

The Mirage Balzak 5 & then Mirage IIIV were developed in response to a NATO request for a supersonic VTOL strike fighter - the request was ahead of its time & was not realised at that time.

In more recent years the F-35 has managed to combine VTOL & supersonic performance.

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Posted by osher on Tuesday, October 13, 2009 8:29 AM
The Mirage V/STOL that had 9 engines, and I believe 2 fatalities (including a USAF officer), but which is more similar to the F-35 than the Harrier, in having dedicated lift engines?
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Posted by Milairjunkie on Tuesday, October 13, 2009 7:52 AM

Phil_H,

I have no problem with that at all, you carry on all you want, as I dont like to see this thread dropping of the end of the second page - I find it quite entertaining.

Its sometimes hard to figure if there are limited / no responses due to nobody being interested, or because the question asked was difficult / stupid in the first place. Either way intervention like yours keeps the thread going.

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Posted by Phil_H on Tuesday, October 13, 2009 7:37 AM

Hi Milairjunkie,

I'm not actually going for it, I'm just dropping the odd cryptic clue  when there's a couple of wrong guesses, and apologise for crashing in on your question. I guess I'm playing along without actually playing.

I know I'm not playing strictly by the rules and if anyone has a problem with this, plese let me know and I'll refrain. Smile [:)]

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Posted by Milairjunkie on Tuesday, October 13, 2009 6:57 AM

Cryptic or what?

Since you know, you are probably as well as going for it? Or do you, like me find the answers easier than the questions?

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Posted by Phil_H on Tuesday, October 13, 2009 6:24 AM
I was seeing triangles, but it turned out to be an illusion...
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Posted by Milairjunkie on Tuesday, October 13, 2009 4:17 AM
 Phil_H wrote:

 simpilot34 wrote:
The Kestrel? the prototype concept aircraft for the....Harrier

I have a feeling you should be looking across the ditch.

 

Yes, that would be correct & The A/C which made the request a reality came from across the pond.

The A/C that made the request a reality has nothing to do with the first A/C or the program that it was involved with.

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Posted by Phil_H on Tuesday, October 13, 2009 12:08 AM

 simpilot34 wrote:
The Kestrel? the prototype concept aircraft for the....Harrier

I have a feeling you should be looking across the ditch.

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Posted by simpilot34 on Monday, October 12, 2009 11:23 PM
The Kestrel? the prototype concept aircraft for the....Harrier
Cheers, Lt. Cmdr. Richie "To be prepared for war, is one of the most effectual means of preserving the peace."-George Washington
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Posted by Milairjunkie on Monday, October 12, 2009 9:48 AM
Along the correct lines, however the aircraft in question & the one which eventualy met the requirements (some decades later) are in now way connected.
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Posted by osher on Monday, October 12, 2009 9:01 AM
The Rolls-Royce Flying Bedstead, which, lead to the Kestral, thence, the Harrier series, which, of course, made the concept a reality (as the Falklands proved).
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Posted by Milairjunkie on Monday, October 12, 2009 8:41 AM

This rather hopeful (for its day) A/C program had at least two fatal accidents & nine engines.

Name the A/C, its immediate successor & the A/C which eventually made the original request a reality.

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Posted by osher on Monday, October 12, 2009 7:37 AM
OK, we're close enough!  The S-199, a BF-109 G-6 built by Avia, but with Jumo 211 bomber engines was sold to the Israelis.  The pilots, who fought against it during WWII, continued to call it a Messer, short for Messerschmitt.  Messerschmitt means Knife Smith.  Hearing it being called a Messer, which means knife it somehow became a legend that the Israelis called it a 'Sakheen', which is Hebrew for knife.  As I've read, this is an urban myth.  Milairjunkie - as you were first, over to you!
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Posted by satch_ip on Monday, October 12, 2009 7:27 AM

The Avia S-199 was a fighter aircraft built after World War II by the Avia Company (Avia Akciová Společnost Pro Průmysl Letecký Škoda), a branch of the enormous Škoda Works in Czechoslovakia. It was constructed with parts and plans left over from Luftwaffe aircraft production that had taken place under the country's German occupation during the war. Despite the aircraft's numerous problems and unpopularity with its pilots, it achieved fame as the first fighter obtained by the Israeli Air Force, for use during the 1948 Arab-Israeli War.

Czechoslovak pilots nicknamed it Mezek ("Mule"), while in Israel it was officially known as the Sakeen ("knife" in Hebrew). In practice, the aircraft was more often called Messerschmitt or Messer (which also means "knife", in German and Yiddish). 

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Posted by Milairjunkie on Monday, October 12, 2009 7:26 AM

The A/C in question is the Avia S-199, which was a Czech built Me-109 copy.

The Aircraft aquired the nickname Mule from it pilots - the Czech pilots had previously flown Spitfires & in comparison the poorly engined (J211F) S-199 handled like a "Mule".

Avia sold the S-199 to Israel, where it was called "Sakeen" (knife), which is presumably in connection with good old Willy's last name.

I doubt that Willy would have been much enamoured by Israelis using his baby.

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Posted by osher on Monday, October 12, 2009 7:22 AM
No, I'm not looking for the official designation, but, rather, a name which it supposed to have had, but never did - and the reason why.
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Posted by satch_ip on Monday, October 12, 2009 7:15 AM
Avia S-199
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Posted by osher on Monday, October 12, 2009 6:49 AM
Still no bites?  OK, here's another one, getting easy now!  The aircraft was a German aircraft, sold to the Israelis, who used a nickname popular during WWII, but, was misunderstood, and so, via a re-translation, it was given later a new name.  The nickname was based on the designer's name, which means, in English, Knife Smith.  His company was also later called this, but, after this aircraft had been designed.
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