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Posted by bondoman on Sunday, August 17, 2008 4:20 AM

It figures to be the whole episode with LC-130s in Antarctica in the early 70's. There were a number of a/c that were pranged in an effort to rescue one.

JATO actually means "Jet-fuel assisted", not "Jet assisted" so it is a rocket

The a/c was Juliet Delta 321.

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Posted by simpilot34 on Sunday, August 17, 2008 2:20 AM

Great stories Bondo!!!!! Your dad seems like an amazing man!!! Smile [:)]

Rocket to the rescue hmmmm????? Was it part of the space program????

Cheers, Lt. Cmdr. Richie "To be prepared for war, is one of the most effectual means of preserving the peace."-George Washington
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Posted by Brews on Sunday, August 17, 2008 1:04 AM

 jeaton01 wrote:
I do think Brews is very deserving

Not on this occasion :) 

Successful rescue with a rocket, though ... Banged Head [banghead] .. no idea.

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Posted by bondoman on Sunday, August 17, 2008 12:13 AM
 Screaminhelo wrote:

NIce trip down memory lane Bondo!  I would have liked to meet your dad.  He came up in the aviation industry during a time when engineering had more to do with understanding the principles than prooving it on paper.  Your dad worked on some truly incredible airplanes!

 

Thanks helo, and the opportunity is there since he's still around. He was on duty once a month on weekends, and usually we went to the office at the airport. I remember one time where he was at work, I went around and collected all the little pewter aircraft from all of the engineers cubicles (at that time a grey steel affair with fluted glass) and built an "airport" in the conference room. When he came to find me for lunch, at the vending machines, he was pretty shocked at the several dozen little birds. There was no way to return them but he had a donut party on monday morning and gave them away.

I know every story about dogs on airplanes there ever were. 727 lands on a snowy night in Denver and really pounds the end of the runway, so hard that the baggage door pops off. Pilot was probably an ex carrier pilot. Slows and turns onto the taxiway in front of the tower, where they watch a really pissed off dog jump out and run away, never to be seen again.

737 has uncontrolled depressurization, makes an emergency landing in Cedar Rapids. Crew goes out to examine the a/c and finds a paw sticking out through the balancing flap. Seems the dog got out of it's crate, found the source of fresh air in the hold, ripped its way through the insulation and reached for freedom. He lived.

I'm as impressed with him as anyone in aviation. My father-in-law flew all kinds of night fighters. Where's his jacket? It was too chilly Bill, left it in Tunisia and went for the nylon parka.

My Dad didn't go to Korea and helped build the aviation industry from here, got his leather jacket. I love them both.

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Posted by jeaton01 on Saturday, August 16, 2008 12:51 PM

Ohh  Nooooo!!   The next question.  I do think Brews is very deserving, if only he had given the name instead of a specific model number of the type.

The Stratotocruiser might justifiably be called the world's fastest twin, that would square with my memories growing up.  It seems like once a week some 377/c97 was in trouble going to and from Hawaii.  Perhaps Northwest Orient was the only airline that had a decent experience with them.  But, for the time they were probably as close as you could get to the comfort of the 314 in a landplane.

Now I gotta think.

OK.  What was the first successful rescue flight that involved rocket power?  You must name the  rescue vehicle, extra points for getting the individual vehicle's name.

John

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Posted by Screaminhelo on Saturday, August 16, 2008 5:10 AM

NIce trip down memory lane Bondo!  I would have liked to meet your dad.  He came up in the aviation industry during a time when engineering had more to do with understanding the principles than prooving it on paper.  Your dad worked on some truly incredible airplanes!

 

Mac

I Didn't do it!!!

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Posted by bondoman on Saturday, August 16, 2008 2:37 AM

Thank you John and I will cede to you the next question.

When my father, whom I respect more than anyone else I've ever known except my mother, graduated from  the University of Michigan in 1952 with a degree in aeronautical engineering, went looking for a job turned down offers from North American, Convair and Republic to go to work for United Airlines. This was in no small part an expression of his peaceful values, which I share and follow as a part of my modeling preferences.

The two people with whom he interviewed; Ralph Patterson and "Dusty" Rhodes, offered him a position at the then new UAL Maintenance Base in San Francisco as an engineer in flight performance.

UAL in 1952 was operating the Stratocruiser from SF to Hawaii; remember it had no international routes.

The Strat was an all first class flight, it left SF at mid morning and landed in Honolulu at noon.

Coach was a DC-7 that left 90 minutes later and landed just behind the Boeing.

There's a whole discussion about why a number of Strats were lost on that route, in particular by Pan Am, which according to my dad was caused by cowl flap usage: open slow, closed faster. It was called the "Big Problem". The a/c flew R4360's which needed open flaps at a respectable speed. There was also a reverse pitch issue, which he differs judgement on because he has little knowledge about, although he's as much an expert on radial powerplant technology as anyone I've ever met.

His senior thesis at U of M was a turbo/supercharged Allison inline 12 with positive crankcase pressure, which ran away on the test stand. Ergo he never got to interview with Kindelberger.

He later was a member of the Caravelle evaluation team and the leader of the Concorde evaluation group, during which I spent a number of summers in my youth in England, at Filton; and Toulouse.

He recruited quite a number of bright young engineers over the decades, from all over the world.

His last professional role was as the leader of the specifications committee of users for 777.

It was a great company. At his retirement in 2000, after 48 years with UAL, Boeing gave him a personalized leather bomber jacket.

In my youth we flew on Viscounts, DC-2's, DC-3's, DC-4's, DC-6's, DC-7's, DC-8's, DC-10's, B-727's, B-737's, B-747's, B-757's, B-767's, B-777's, Caravelles, Convair 440's, 720's, all the mutt and jeff code shares. Never flew on a Strat. Other carriers, everything you can imagine including the BAC corporate DH Dove but never a flying boat.

In 1959 we flew to Hawaii to visit my moms college roomate, who was married to a USN sub commander at Pearl Harbor. After a week there, we flew to the Big Island on a DC-2 with sideways benches, it was me , mom and dad and a chain gang returning from road work in Honolulu. Ah, pass travel. Being the person that he is, dad made friends with the locals and we went out later to the penitentiary, where he bought them out of five foot long koa salad fork/spoon sets and tiki statues. He didn't have a problem getting the shipped home...

Here's to my Dad; UAL 1952-2000

 

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Posted by simpilot34 on Saturday, August 16, 2008 2:33 AM
John you are right about that. I had forgotten I put that other bit in there. I should have revamped the question after I made the discovery that the connie was not the fastest. Sorry bout that fellas!!!
Cheers, Lt. Cmdr. Richie "To be prepared for war, is one of the most effectual means of preserving the peace."-George Washington
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Posted by jeaton01 on Saturday, August 16, 2008 1:33 AM
Well, Bondo Bill lives close enough to come bang on my head, but the nickname World's Fastest Trimotor is probably best attached to the 049-749 Constellations, when R-3350's were upchucking with regularity.  There is a photo of one being ferried with only three engine nacelles installed if my old memory is working right.  By the time the DC-7's went into service, the engine was much more developed.

John

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Posted by simpilot34 on Saturday, August 16, 2008 1:27 AM

I had originally googled the topic 'fastest piston-engined airliner' and it came up with the 1649 Starliner (superduper connie) so I wikied all 3. The Connie, Strato, and DC-7. The DC-7 won by a fair margin at a top speed of 406 mph! No wonder they ran one at Reno!

So bondo got it! Hit us with your best shot!

Cheers, Lt. Cmdr. Richie "To be prepared for war, is one of the most effectual means of preserving the peace."-George Washington
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Posted by bondoman on Saturday, August 16, 2008 12:39 AM
Douglas DC-7
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Posted by Brews on Saturday, August 16, 2008 12:25 AM
L-1049G Super Constellation
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Posted by simpilot34 on Friday, August 15, 2008 11:29 PM

Sorry bondo, there is one slightly faster.

Cheers, Lt. Cmdr. Richie "To be prepared for war, is one of the most effectual means of preserving the peace."-George Washington
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Posted by bondoman on Friday, August 15, 2008 11:19 PM
yar be a boing strata cruiser ye be after
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Posted by simpilot34 on Friday, August 15, 2008 11:12 PM

Ok, here we go.

What airplane was the world's fastest piston-engined airliner and had the unflattering nickname of 'The best tri-motor'?

Cheers, Richie

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Posted by Brews on Friday, August 15, 2008 10:33 AM

Gee, my next clue was going to be "24 cylinders".

Yes, it was Napier's Sabre. It's problems were directly related to Napier's loss of expertise to Rolls-Royce, and were solved when Bristol applied some help to the sleeve-valves.

It's hard to get good help.

 

OTU.

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Posted by bondoman on Friday, August 15, 2008 2:08 AM
 Brews wrote:

 

This monster weighed a ton. 

 

Seriously?

Edit: 2360 lbs, apparently!

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Posted by simpilot34 on Friday, August 15, 2008 1:08 AM

Was it the Napier Sabre?

Cheers, Richie

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Posted by Brews on Thursday, August 14, 2008 10:49 PM

Thinking of engines ...

This monster weighed a ton. 

It had sleeve valves, but it's not a Bristol. 

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Posted by trexx on Thursday, August 14, 2008 2:13 PM
Duh! Of course. The "nightfighter" version! Apparently I've a brain cloud today.
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Posted by bondoman on Thursday, August 14, 2008 2:02 PM

My Father in law flew them as night fighters out of Tunisia, Sardinia, Corsica in the 414th. Yes, I have lots of piccys too.

He switched to P-61s in the Fall of 44 and was based in Pontadero, Italy, at which point they were primarily bombing and shooting up railroads.

He's real fond of the Beau and admired the Hercules engine. Apparently it was pretty hard to land though.

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Posted by trexx on Thursday, August 14, 2008 1:55 PM
 Milairjunkie wrote:

Me-110 is incorrect.

Who said bomber interceptor? - kinda given it away!

The nickname you mention,  although correct is not the one I am looking for. This nickname was gained by its abilities to appear un-announced/quickly on the scene & blow everything to tatters & was coined by the guys on the not so nice end of the 10 guns.

Dont know what time it is where you are, but my midnight oil ran out about 1/2 hour.

 

I've known the Beaufighter as an attack airplane. I've never heard an account of those types being used as "interceptors" at all.

 Learn somethun' everyday.

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Posted by trexx on Thursday, August 14, 2008 1:51 PM

Take it, Brews. You're up.

Come up with a good question for us.

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Posted by Milairjunkie on Thursday, August 14, 2008 6:40 AM

Correct, onto you.

Always liked this one;

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Posted by Brews on Wednesday, August 13, 2008 9:44 PM

The Beaufighter was coined "Whispering Death" by the Japanese on account of its relatively quiet sleeve-valved Hercules engines.

 

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Posted by Milairjunkie on Wednesday, August 13, 2008 8:54 PM

Me-110 is incorrect.

Who said bomber interceptor? - kinda given it away!

The nickname you mention,  although correct is not the one I am looking for. This nickname was gained by its abilities to appear un-announced/quickly on the scene & blow everything to tatters & was coined by the guys on the not so nice end of the 10 guns.

Dont know what time it is where you are, but my midnight oil ran out about 1/2 hour.

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Posted by trexx on Wednesday, August 13, 2008 8:22 PM
 Milairjunkie wrote:

This aircraft, originating from the 30s, is twin engined, served as a fighter, bomber, anti-ship, strike, bomber escort aircraft to name but a few roles.

In it original design it shared several critical components with another aircraft, production topped 5,000, & the it gained a rather grim nickname.

wild guess...

Me-110

Shared parts with Me-109s

"Destroyer" ...don't think it did anti-shipping work though...

The Beaufighter kinda fits but I don't think it was used as a bomber interceptor... It's got a great nickname though... "Ten Gun Terror"

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Posted by Milairjunkie on Wednesday, August 13, 2008 7:15 PM

This aircraft, originating from the 30s, is twin engined, served as a fighter, bomber, anti-ship, strike, bomber escort aircraft to name but a few roles.

In it original design it shared several critical components with another aircraft, production topped 5,000, & the it gained a rather grim nickname.

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Posted by Milairjunkie on Wednesday, August 13, 2008 6:57 PM

Cheers,

As the Gov of California would (& does) say "I'll be back"

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Posted by bondoman on Wednesday, August 13, 2008 6:53 PM

Yes I owe this one to Brain44. It's the Avro Arrow test model, one of nine, fitted to a Nike missile for high speed testing, followed by a crash into Lake Ontario. Recently there have been efforts to salvage these from the Lake.

Your turn Milair.

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