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Posted by Milairjunkie on Wednesday, August 13, 2008 6:45 PM

I thought brain44 might have been quicker of the mark (like an Arrow - so to speak) on this one.

I am not familiar with whats shown, but assume it is some sort of flight / aerodynamic modeling to help acheive the then blackish art of getting a big supersonic delta to fly well & match the required criterea?

I guess this is where some of the 30M odd Dollars went on design & modeling.

This bird reminds me of the TSR.2, both ill fated but very capable aircraft - but that whole conversation is another matter!

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Posted by bondoman on Wednesday, August 13, 2008 6:36 PM
I think you need to be a little  more specific, man.
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Posted by trexx on Wednesday, August 13, 2008 6:11 PM
 bondoman wrote:

Wuddat?

Uh... something really neat-O and pointy that flys really fast with a big jet of flame coming from it's arse end!

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Posted by bondoman on Wednesday, August 13, 2008 5:21 PM

Wuddat?

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Posted by MECHTECH on Tuesday, August 12, 2008 8:00 AM
 Milairjunkie wrote:

Some pics to help move thing's along, one relevant, another less relevant - but to good looking to miss;

voodoosmall.jpg

According to Canadian Polictical Thought, the Canadian stand was that there were no Nuclear Weapons on Canadian Soil, but once the VooDoo's were knocked from Canadian Military Stores, the 'Genie' Nuclear Tipped Missiles (which were carried in the rotary weapons bay of the VooDoo) were removed from the weapons dump outside of Chatham, New Brunswick.

That was the scuttlebutt anyway.Sign - Off Topic!! [#offtopic]

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Posted by Milairjunkie on Tuesday, August 12, 2008 6:29 AM

C-123 + Bird Dog me thought?

 Onto You.

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Posted by bondoman on Tuesday, August 12, 2008 2:38 AM

The Voodoo was originally designed as a long range bomber escort, which was a poor design without inflight refueling.

The Phantom is/was a derivative design.

F-101s (r) in SEA would have been gray I'm sure, or  NATO green over gray.

Thats a nice photo for trivia. I'd say a C-123, but is that a J-04?

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Posted by bondoman on Monday, August 11, 2008 2:19 PM
 Milairjunkie wrote:

From what I can dig out, that is correct.

This was a three-parter mind!

Image:RF-101VoodooVietnam1967.jpg

 

(This was later in the war, I dont know if the first 101s over there had SEA camo or if they were in NMF?)

For the time frame, I would assume ADC Gray.
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Posted by Milairjunkie on Monday, August 11, 2008 2:09 PM

Some pics to help move thing's along, one relevant, another less relevant - but to good looking to miss;

voodoosmall.jpg

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Posted by Milairjunkie on Sunday, August 10, 2008 6:39 AM

From what I can dig out, that is correct.

This was a three-parter mind!

Image:RF-101VoodooVietnam1967.jpg

 

(This was later in the war, I dont know if the first 101s over there had SEA camo or if they were in NMF?)

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Posted by simpilot34 on Saturday, August 9, 2008 9:10 PM

According to my book "Vietnam Air Warfare" the first US jet powered aircraft to fly in Vietnam officially was RF-101C's in 1961.

Cheers, Richie

Cheers, Lt. Cmdr. Richie "To be prepared for war, is one of the most effectual means of preserving the peace."-George Washington
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Posted by Milairjunkie on Saturday, August 9, 2008 4:52 PM

"last of the gunfighters" become the SLUF.

I could be wrong here, but that is not what I thought the answer was. If I am correct(?), the first jet was certainally not a gunship!

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Posted by bondoman on Saturday, August 9, 2008 3:24 AM
Operation Pierce Arrow- August 4, 1964. (jets) A4's and F8's attack North Vietnam. F8's were originally designed as air superiority fighters. A-7s are a derivative.
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Posted by Milairjunkie on Friday, August 8, 2008 3:54 PM

OK,

What was the first US jet powered aircraft to operate officially in the vietnam conflict?

What was it's original design role?

What aircraft was this a stepping stone to? 

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Posted by bertman on Friday, August 8, 2008 1:56 PM
 Milairjunkie wrote:
Or maybe the swapability of the PW F135 & GE/RR F136?



That's what I was looking for! :)

Although, after looking into some more, looks like things have changed. Use to be that the GE and PW engines were interchangeable across the board. Now the PW is only the A and C variant wile the GE is the B.
(But, still looks like the kept a lot of the old design rules since they use a lot of the same support systems on the airplane)

One of the reasons why, was to reduce the overall cost of the plane to foreign buyers... they could refrain from having to hire a whole new maintenance crew for the PW engines when they already had a strong GE crew for the rest of the base.
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Posted by Milairjunkie on Friday, August 8, 2008 8:03 AM

OK, is it the "Rolling Transfer" kit?

Or maybe the swapability of the PW F135 & GE/RR F136?

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Posted by bertman on Thursday, August 7, 2008 6:10 PM
That's not exactly what I was looking for Milairjunkie, but if someone doesn't answer it, you'll get the point :)

I got to know all about what you mentioned before, every part I touched had something to do with fuel because it is used as a coolant for the entire plane and electronics that sit in bays of fuel.

hint: it's not technical, yet deals with maintenance. (and it might actually matter to a die hard model detailer in the future ;)
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Posted by Milairjunkie on Thursday, August 7, 2008 5:31 PM

Is it the powerplant's Integrated Power Package, which features a turbine driven starter / genarator which after being spun up for starting, switches over to a generator?

If this is correct, the reason is for reduced weight, increased reliability & to maximise "packaging" - it is also required to sustain the considerable electrical demand that the F-35 will have. 

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Posted by bertman on Thursday, August 7, 2008 3:40 AM
The other german one was the Ju EF112 in 1942

The American was a false alarm, it ended up just being a pusher with a weird nose that made me think it was a spinner--one of the drawings or photo's I saw had the retractable nose pushed in so there was a definite seam there. Interesting trivia about this plane is that it was the first plane to have an ejector seat, but it shot the pilot down not up. Also, the Japanese supposedly had a similar design to this one, but never got to fly it.

Here's a modern jet question: I'm told this is unique to the JSF but it might have happened on another, older jet. What is special about the engine installation of the future JSF/F-35, and as a bonus, why did the designers do this?

I'm a little attached to the plane since I got the chance to help design a few frame stations and fuel floors, as well as being able to see the first flight of the A variant :D
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Posted by Borg R3-MC0 on Thursday, August 7, 2008 1:56 AM

The SAM-13 is the correct anwser, design work on that one started in 1938.

So you can ask the next question.

 

I am curious to what other twin boom pusher-puller fighters you have found, I do not know any other ones.

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Posted by bertman on Wednesday, August 6, 2008 12:26 PM
OK then, I'll go for the Soviet since it's the most interesting to me, and also had the earliest date :)

SAM-13 by A.S.Moskalev

It's first flight was in the beginning of 1940, so it musta been designed before then :)

I liked the fact that the vertical tail was in the middle of the horizontal, between the booms.
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Posted by Borg R3-MC0 on Wednesday, August 6, 2008 6:29 AM

 bertman wrote:
Are you allowed to look things up on the net or do you have to know them already?

I found some early '40s planes, a German, Soviet and an American--seems everyone dabbled in the idea sooner or later.

I won't post em, since I dunno if it's allowed yet :)

I don't know if there is a rule book but I think that looking things up is inevitable.

Just give an anwser, one plane at a time (not "it's either...or.....or maybe the..... But it could also be the...")

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Posted by bertman on Wednesday, August 6, 2008 2:56 AM
Are you allowed to look things up on the net or do you have to know them already?

I found some early '40s planes, a German, Soviet and an American--seems everyone dabbled in the idea sooner or later.

I won't post em, since I dunno if it's allowed yet :)
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Posted by Borg R3-MC0 on Wednesday, August 6, 2008 1:33 AM
 trexx wrote:

Knowing the two types and their similarity washes us all in the beaming light of your well-tuned, AIRPLANE oriented brain! GREAT JOB!

Let me explain how I know this one, I live in the Netherlands, Belgium is one of our neighbouring countries. That's why I am not only intrested in dutch but also in belgian aviation history.  And I have been reading about Dutch and Belgian aviation history since I was a little kid.

 

My question: the Fokker D.23 was a remarkable airplane, with an (almost) unique twin boom, push-pull configuration.

However, there was another late 1930's fighter with the same configuration. Name that aircraft..

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Posted by trexx on Tuesday, August 5, 2008 2:54 PM

RemcoGrob!

Correct.

 

"Caproni Ca 335"

AND BONUS POINTS TOO...! FOR YOU!

Knowing the two types and their similarity washes us all in the beaming light of your well-tuned, AIRPLANE oriented brain! GREAT JOB!

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Posted by Borg R3-MC0 on Tuesday, August 5, 2008 4:40 AM

 I am thining it either the Sabca S.47 or the Caproni Ca 335 Maestrale. The Sabca S.47 was based on the Caproni Ca 335 Maestrale, so they look alike.

I am going to say it's the Sabca S.47.

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Posted by trexx on Monday, August 4, 2008 4:46 PM

 bondoman wrote:
It's the Piaggio P119. Gotta rename your pics, man.

 

D'ya have any idea how hard it is to come up with this stuff!!?? Consider yourself, 'cyber smacked-n-da-forehead!

 

Ohhh! Dirty RATS! (my best Yosemite Sam impression)

 If I can be so bold to go again...!

What is this? --------->

And a nice profile shot---->

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Posted by bondoman on Monday, August 4, 2008 4:27 PM
It's the Piaggio P119. Gotta rename your pics, man.
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Posted by trexx on Monday, August 4, 2008 4:13 PM

 

Before you attempt to answer what's up next, let us all oogle the beauty. Remember... this is 1936!

 

 

Question:

What is that?---->

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Posted by trexx on Monday, August 4, 2008 3:58 PM

Dang-darned Elegant bird!

Excellent facts you've posted to go along with your "lookie here" question! Good one.

 

OK... I'm thinking. I'm thinking... (for next question)

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