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Posted by subfixer on Friday, November 30, 2007 9:11 PM
Are you still counting Jimmy Carter as a WW II officer? If he was a Middie, it won't flush.(At least not with this old QM)

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Posted by schoonerbumm on Friday, November 30, 2007 6:50 PM

Don't fret about 'screwing it up'.  

Bush was the fifth officer in the answer to my question, as he was referenced in my last question. Brain farted when I typed the answer. 

But it did lead to another interesting question on service credit. I guess we can claim six naval officers from WW2 in the White House.

I think that makes the post war score:   Navy 6    Army 3    Dodgers 2    :-)

Alan

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Posted by alumni72 on Friday, November 30, 2007 6:10 PM

I knew I'd screw up.  I meant to say WW2, specifically.

Rick is correct - Jack Cornwell did receive the VC.

What is the usual procedure here?  Should I give the answer I was expecting and make the handoff to Rick?  That's ok with me.

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Beat me with that post, Rick - yes, WW2.

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Posted by RickF on Friday, November 30, 2007 6:08 PM

Having thought about this in more detail, and taking into account that over 100 members of the RN (and reserves) have been awarded the VC since the 1850s, I wonder if your question refers to a specific period. Apart from my answer above, I can think of many "surface warships" recipients.

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Posted by RickF on Friday, November 30, 2007 5:55 PM

John Travers Cornwell (Boy Seaman 1st Class) was postumously awarded the VC for his bravery on board the cruiser HMS Chester at the Battle of Jutland in 1916. He was 16 years old.

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Posted by alumni72 on Friday, November 30, 2007 4:11 PM

Okay, I still don't think I got the last one right - and this is bound to be way too easy, but I didn't want you guys to have to wait too long.  Here goes:

Only 4 members of the RN were awarded the Victoria Cross for actions on a surface warship (take that term to mean the traditional classes - Carrier, Battleship, Cruiser and Destroyer) - three of them for actions on board a Destroyer.  Who was the fourth?

I apologize if the question is worded awkwardly - I'll gladly try to clarify if it is needed.

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Posted by jayman1 on Friday, November 30, 2007 3:47 PM

I believe that in the "old days", midshipmen were considered as an officer. Today, I don't know how it works with midshipmen, but here is how it worked in the Air Force.

The day I graduated from Air Force basic training, I was assigned to Officer Training School (OTS). At that time, Officer Trainee's were paid at the rate of the enlisted pay grade of an E-5 with the appropriate years of service. (Dispite the pay grade, Officer Trainee's were considered to be somewhere between an Airman Basic and an Airman Third Class.)

After the obligatory parade and ceremonies on commissioning day, I received a rather thick packet. In it was my commission, a set of orders formally promoting me to the rank of E-5 and an honorable discharge with the rank of E-5.

The effective date of my promotion to E-5 was the date of my appointment to OTS. (The orders contained a disclimer of sorts that said to effect that the necessity of the service prevented the publishing of the orders earlier. This was because if anyone washed out, they could be deleted from the orders.) The effective date of the honorable discharge was the date of my commission.

So, there is no pay grade as such but the service got around this in a very neat and tidy way with promotions and discharges.

And, in my experience, there were many enlisted men that were far more gentlemanly than a number officers I can recall.

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Posted by subfixer on Friday, November 30, 2007 2:10 PM
I am a former enlisted man so I am not sure about this, but while Middies were aboard for their summer cruises, we weren't required to call them "sir" but were polite to them, out of civility anyway. We didn't consider them as officers and there wasn't a category for them on any military pay chart that I ever saw. I think a cadet or midshipman isn't really squat until he graduates, gentleman or not. I have met a lot blue jackets that were just as gentlemanly than any officer, whether titled as one or not.

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Posted by jtilley on Friday, November 30, 2007 1:15 PM

I guess a midshipman legally is an officer - so Carter was indeed a naval officer during WWII.  But he didn't serve in the Pacific

Jayman's point is, of course, extremely well taken.  Five future presidents did indeed serve as naval officers in the Pacific during WWII:  Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, Ford, and Bush.

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Posted by jayman1 on Friday, November 30, 2007 11:45 AM

Did we forget to recognize the service of George Herbert Walker Bush? He was commissioned in the Navy in June, 1943 when he was 19 years old making him the youngest aviator in the Navy at that time. He flew 58 combat missions as a carrier pilot in the Pacific, sunk a freighter and was shot down once. He was awarded the Distinguished Flying Cross along with 3 Air Medals before he was discharged in September 1945.

I was thinking that the question meant that his Eurpean trip was while he was a commissioned Naval officer.

Will be waiting Alumni's question.

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Posted by schoonerbumm on Friday, November 30, 2007 11:36 AM
Time as a 'young gentleman' doesn't count as service? I guess, technically a midshipman is not a real  officer..  I guess I need another new lawyer :-) 

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Posted by jtilley on Friday, November 30, 2007 1:49 AM

Hmmm....I didn't get the answer, but I have to offer one small correction.  Carter was a naval officer all right (the only one of the five, in fact, to make the Navy a peacetime career), but he didn't serve in the Navy during WWII.  He graduated from Annapolis in 1946.

I'm reminded (I'm not sure why) of an anecdote about Dwight D. Eisenhower.  (I'm not sure where I'm remembering this from; if I mess up any of the details, somebody please correct me.) His son, John, graduated from West Point on June 6, 1944, and the general got the new second lieutenant a temporary staff assignmnet at SHAEF Headquarters in London.  The two of them were walking down a London street one day and the younger Eisenhower said, "Dad, I'm confused.  Suppose some officer who's senior to me and junior to you comes down the street in the opposite direction?  Who salutes first?"  Ike replied, "Son, every officer in the European theater is senior to you and junior to me."

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Posted by alumni72 on Thursday, November 29, 2007 11:23 PM

Um.....er.....uh.....

Let's be honest, folks.  If I can somehow come up with a decent question it will only be because I looked it up somewhere.  I've got no good ship trivia floating around inside my head.

Give me a day or so to try and come up with something (I really only got half the answer, anyway) - if I draw a blank, I'll pass the buck to someone else.  Deal?

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Posted by schoonerbumm on Thursday, November 29, 2007 6:54 PM

OK.... this goes to alumni72.

JFK was the first of five ex Naval officers... Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, Ford and Carter.

He was released from Naval Duty in March 1945 due to medical problems and became a journalist. One of his first assignments was to cover the United Nations Conference in San Francisco. 

During the summer of 1945, JFK accompanied Navy Secretary Forrestal on a trip to Europe on a variety of assignments, including covering events, such as the British Elections.

As part of his itinerary, he went to Bremen (port city with the key in its coat of arms) to inspect and assess captured schnellboote.

http://www.prinzeugen.com/DesignManufacture.htm

I thought a lot of people would have seen this on this  great reference site for the Revell model.

To paraphrase a famous quote (from Caroll Smith, from Shelby's old racing team), which seems to fit.....

Modeler's reading is generally confined to Fine Scale Modeler and Playboy, and they mostly look at the pictures.

Alumni, you are up.

Alan

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Posted by alumni72 on Thursday, November 29, 2007 6:23 PM

Okay, it was John F. Kennedy.

 And only because I heard the story about "Ich ben ein berliner".

But I'm totally guessing about the ship - San Francisco?

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Posted by schoonerbumm on Thursday, November 29, 2007 5:56 PM

Hmmm.... over a hundred views and no answers.  I thought this one would go quickly based on the recent popularity of a model kit of the subject warship.

Hint#3 for the old guys. This President profoundly proclaimed in a speech attempted in another language, what translated literally as... "I am a jelly doughnut"

Alan

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Posted by schoonerbumm on Wednesday, November 28, 2007 11:53 PM

?????   in the right thread?

Hint #2 The warship was not American.

 

Alan

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Posted by Steve H. on Wednesday, November 28, 2007 10:45 PM

Hi

It should be remembered that some sailors refered to her as the "Squalfish" ! NOT an officially recognized name, and several of her captains threatened those that refered to her as such with dissiplinary action.

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Posted by schoonerbumm on Wednesday, November 28, 2007 11:35 AM

Hint#1

Hamburg's coat of arms shows a three towered castle with a double doored gate. In Hanseatic times, Hamburg's boast was that they were the "gateway to the world".

A rival port which was the location (relative to the question) visited by the future president trumped Hamburg's claim with "ja, but we have the key".

Alan

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Posted by RickF on Tuesday, November 27, 2007 10:22 AM

Can't come up with any details  - yet - but I reckon it's going to be LBJ.

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Posted by schoonerbumm on Sunday, November 25, 2007 10:50 PM

Back to the Presidents and warships category...

Five American Presidents served as Naval Officers during World War II. All saw service in the Pacific Theater.

One of these future Presidents is associated with an an assignment in Europe immediately after the war.

Which President and what warship class was associated with his European visit?

Alan

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Posted by Surface_Line on Sunday, November 25, 2007 2:41 PM

There you go!  A pair of Z class destroyers lost to enemy action in 1967 and 1970, one belonging to Israel and sunk by Egyptian missiles, and the other belinging to Egypt and sunk by Israeli aircraft.

 You're up.

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Posted by schoonerbumm on Sunday, November 25, 2007 12:07 PM

Of course, if you don't interpret the question to mean lost in WWII, there were Zealous and Myngs, better known as Elath and El Quaher, the latter being the last to go, sunk by Israeli aircraft in the early seventies.

I need a new lawyer.

Alan

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Posted by Surface_Line on Saturday, November 24, 2007 11:41 PM
Your reference material ends too soon.
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Posted by schoonerbumm on Saturday, November 24, 2007 11:10 PM

"hey.. I didn't do anything wrong, even my lawyer says so"

I guess my guess is, then, the last vessel lost due to enemy activity would be Pathfinder, I guess. 

 

Alan

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Posted by Surface_Line on Saturday, November 24, 2007 10:22 PM

We do seem to have a hard time of these things without further definition of terms, don't we?

I did not intend the ships to be limited to the British flag at the time of their loss, and the cause of their loss could be any of the explosive devices you named, and even including submarines with big screws attaching warheads or buzz-bombs or zepplins any other sort of unpleasantness that a lawyer would specify.   :-)

Rick 

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Posted by schoonerbumm on Saturday, November 24, 2007 9:18 PM

Good question. 

Depends on how you define "lost"...  HMS Pathfinder was damaged by Japanese aircraft off Burma in Feb. 1945. She made it back to port and was declared a "constructive loss" and scrapped.

Or it depends on how you define "enemy action. I believe HMS Swift had the misfortune of being the last emergency class  destroyer to be sunk..  by a mine off of the Normandy beachhead on 24 June 1944.

The last emergency class vessel to be sunk in a shooting "action" was HMS Shark, but not as a British destroyer, as she had been transfered to the Norwegians and was sunk off Normandy by German torpedo boats on D-Day under the name Svenner.

I think that the last emergency class British destroyer to be sunk in a shooting action, under the Royal Navy ensign was HMS Hardy, torpedoed by U-278 on 30 Jan 1944.

Alan

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Posted by Surface_Line on Saturday, November 24, 2007 8:23 PM

I fear that I only jumped out with the answer for the sport of it, and was not well prepared to respond with a decent question, particularly one in line with Mr. Death's "too much Yank stuff'" constraint,

What was the last of the British WWII War Emergency classes of destroyer to be lost to enemy action?  (That should encompass the O-Z and various Ca, Co, Cr & Ch classes)

Rick 

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Posted by billydelawder on Saturday, November 24, 2007 9:53 AM
Ok Surface, you got it!
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Posted by schoonerbumm on Friday, November 23, 2007 9:12 PM
It looks to me like you got the right answer.... but I think we need to wait for Billy Delawder to reply, since it is his question.

Alan

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