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Posted by echolmberg on Wednesday, April 27, 2016 8:58 AM

I find that I'm not posting as much but it's mainly because I'm not building as much as before.  I've got two young girls (ages 12 and 9).  As they get older (especially my 12 year old), they're getting more and more homework and they're staying up later getting it done.  By default, that means I'm spending more time with them helping them with stuff like Algebra, layers of the atmosphere and world history rather than being down at my man cave working on kits.  

After the kids go off to bed, that's when it's time for my wife and I to have some good quality "us" time.  That's when we finally get the chance to download about our days, talk about the kids or sometimes it just means passing out on the couch together.  With all that going on, I'm lucky if I build for an hour or two throughout the entire week.  Model building is my chance to relax but sometimes I'm just too tired to relax.

Another reason I haven't been posting is because, I think, of what's available out there in terms of kits.  What I'm about to say is my own personal opinion only!  It is not a blanket statement of fact nor is is "right", but it is my own opinion based on my own tastes:  The releases over the past couple of years have been absolutely boring to me.  I know others find them very fascinating but I don't.  As an example, Airfix has been releasing new, high quality kits which really end up putting me to sleep.  MORE Spitfires, Hurricanes, and British bombers that just bore me to tears.  Same with "NEW" Fw 190s and Me 109s.  Ooo but wait!  This 109 is different than the other 109 we came out with last month because this one has a bump on the wing!  Sorry but I just can't stand those planes.  I know others do and everyone and their brother is out there posting pictures of their latest Hallifax or 109 and I get so tired of the same old, same old.  

This morning I read about a new release of the Farman F.190.  I had never heard of it before so I looked it up.  Wow.  A French transport plane from the 1920s.  Seriously?  I've been begging for years for a Banshee or a McDonnell FH Phantom but instead we get a French cargo plane from the 1920s.  This is why I'm getting bored of the hobby.  I build what I like to build (if I can find it and afford it) and I don't say as much about it because it's not a German or British plane.  I know that if I post it, I'll get three comments on it so why bother sharing?

I still think FSM is the best forum around.  It truly is the one that most closely feels like a family to me.   I don't contribute as much as I'd like to and that's really nobody's fault but my own.  If I want the forum to be a better place, then I have to take a bigger part in it or at least try to.  I will try to do that.  I need to adjust my own attitude.  As others here have pointed out, this is probably the most friendly and supportive forum out there and I need to be a part of the solution, not a part of the problem.

My best wishes to all,

Eric

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Posted by Gamera on Wednesday, April 27, 2016 7:08 AM

stikpusher

 

 
Nathan T

 

 
The Hobbyist

 

 
Cadet Chuck

I think the forums have become humorless and boring, compared to a few years ago.

 

 

 

Agree...the discussions and "back-and-forth" so many people pine for used to be common in here when people were allowed to disagree--even heartliy disagree.  It was fun.  Then the rules changed and everytime someone got their feelings hurt people got smacked into submission, and now the Forum is vanilla in flavor, lest we offend someone's taste...

 

 

 

 

I agree but, didn't you just join like 20 days ago?, and you remember the good 'ol days?

 

 

 

The world wonders...

 

 

 

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Posted by BlackSheepTwoOneFour on Wednesday, April 27, 2016 6:35 AM

This site used to be a great up until they decided to make some "upgrades". No matter the complaint on the new look, nobody is happy so they spend less time here or leave. I still don't like the white and a little color goes a long way to make it better. 

Will they listen? No because it's their magazine and website. They've already done the upgrades and it's final. However, the admins and mods do need to get more involved to make the site exciting again. Since Tim's departure, moderation has gone almost nonexistent.

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Posted by stikpusher on Wednesday, April 27, 2016 3:01 AM

Nathan T

 

 
The Hobbyist

 

 
Cadet Chuck

I think the forums have become humorless and boring, compared to a few years ago.

 

 

 

Agree...the discussions and "back-and-forth" so many people pine for used to be common in here when people were allowed to disagree--even heartliy disagree.  It was fun.  Then the rules changed and everytime someone got their feelings hurt people got smacked into submission, and now the Forum is vanilla in flavor, lest we offend someone's taste...

 

 

 

 

I agree but, didn't you just join like 20 days ago?, and you remember the good 'ol days?

 

The world wonders...

 

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N is for NO SURVIVORS...

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Posted by silentbob33 on Tuesday, April 26, 2016 8:58 PM
Atta boy Bruce!

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Posted by hogfanfs on Tuesday, April 26, 2016 8:18 PM

The Hobbyist

 I agree.  The tired excuse of, "I have nothing to add except an attaboy" is just being lazy...Even if the build is way above, or below, your modeling skill-set, a question or suggestion can always be conjured up if one makes an attempt. 

 

 

Thank you for pointing out I'm lazy... Attaboy!!

 Bruce

 

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                        1/35 Takom Merkava Mk.I

 

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Posted by Nathan T on Tuesday, April 26, 2016 8:12 PM

The Hobbyist

 

 
Cadet Chuck

I think the forums have become humorless and boring, compared to a few years ago.

 

 

 

Agree...the discussions and "back-and-forth" so many people pine for used to be common in here when people were allowed to disagree--even heartliy disagree.  It was fun.  Then the rules changed and everytime someone got their feelings hurt people got smacked into submission, and now the Forum is vanilla in flavor, lest we offend someone's taste...

 

 

I agree but, didn't you just join like 20 days ago?, and you remember the good 'ol days?

 

 

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Posted by Nathan T on Tuesday, April 26, 2016 8:09 PM

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Posted by templar1099 on Tuesday, April 26, 2016 5:09 PM

The Hobbyist
 
Cadet Chuck

I think the forums have become humorless and boring, compared to a few years ago.

 

 

 

Agree...the discussions and "back-and-forth" so many people pine for used to be common in here when people were allowed to disagree--even heartliy disagree.  It was fun.  Then the rules changed and everytime someone got their feelings hurt people got smacked into submission, and now the Forum is vanilla in flavor, lest we offend someone's taste...


I don't know, I think I appreciate the civility so lacking in society today. 

 

 

"le plaisir delicieux et toujours nouveau d'une occupation inutile"

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Posted by silentbob33 on Tuesday, April 26, 2016 2:38 PM
I'll agree, I was surprised to find such a supportive welcoming group of people online. Within my first couple weeks of being on the site I mentioned that I would have to scratch build some radios for the Stuka I was building and a member sent me some out of their spares box. I knew right away that I was with a good group of people and I felt very welcome right from the get-go.

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Posted by Greg on Tuesday, April 26, 2016 1:41 PM

Gamera

Funny, I'd count the number of troublesome and toxic posters on here on the fingers of one hand.

I was thinking the same thing.

And it seems like yesterday when I joined and posted my intro. This is my first modeling forum, but I can easily say that there was really no "getting my feet wet" period here. More like the welcome mat was rolled out.

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Posted by Gamera on Tuesday, April 26, 2016 7:30 AM

Funny, I'd count the number of troublesome and toxic posters on here on the fingers of one hand. And the majority of them ended up banned or haven't posted anything in over a year.

I lurked here for over a year before I joined, mainly because one of the last forums I was on, a gaming miniature one, was so awful. I think about one-third of the members actually posted stuff, a second one-third never posted anything but were of the 'atta-boy' variety. The big issue, for me at least, was the remaining one-third. I don't think many of them even knew it was a figure site, they never posted anything modeling related and when they did it was to attack those that did. Almost all of their posts were political and religious/anti-religious rants and anything else anyone posted got twisted into one. The owners and mods just ignored this. I came back from vacation one year happy to be back on that forum and ran into a solid wall of this garbage and ended up thinking: 'why do I sit here and read stuff that honks me off?!?' I left that forum and never looked back. 

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Posted by stikpusher on Tuesday, April 26, 2016 1:18 AM

PM sent AJD.

MM, everybody has their two cents to add on any given subject. Some are just delivered more tactfully than others. But yes, making inroads into any forum can be intimidating for new folks. But of just about every forum where I have joined and partaken, this has probably been the friendliest and most easy going to get started in... save one other I know of Wink

 

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Posted by modelmaker66 on Tuesday, April 26, 2016 12:51 AM

it might be worth considering that there has been a wave of intolerant and sometimes caustic posters that blow up ideas that they are not in favor of. probobly off putting for a lot of contributors, especially new ones. Tolerance and acceptance along with fostering new ideas is a good way to get people more involved.

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Posted by ajd3530 on Tuesday, April 26, 2016 12:08 AM

stikpusher

 

 
Bakster

 

I also agree that the moderators/admins should be more involved to spark some life into their product. I have strong opinions on that, and I will keep those to myself.

 

 

 

 

 

Agreed 100%... and then some. I'm a mod on another forum, and if I see a topic that is slow or has no replies, especially a WIP or completed build, I say a little something to let the poster know that their work is not ignored. 

 

I had no idea about this stik. Which site do you moderate, if you don't mind me asking? I miss not seeing you in here as much since the update.

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Posted by Cadet Chuck on Monday, April 25, 2016 7:21 PM

I think the forums have become humorless and boring, compared to a few years ago.

Gimme a pigfoot, and a bottle of beer...

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Posted by MJames70 on Monday, April 25, 2016 7:15 PM

modelmaker66

Maybe all the good questions are already asked and there is nothing left to say.

 

I think there may be more truth to that then their perhaps seems to be on the surface. The internet has expanded exponentially the last ten years. These days, a kit barely has to get off the boat and clear customs before there are 5 Youtube videos looking it over posted. Tips, techniques, and reviews are everywhere. You don't have to ask, or even know another modeler these days to get good info.

The internet is also quickly eroding the print media. FSM's circulation is maybe half of what it was in its heyday, and that is even considering they have been the only general scale modeling mag in the US for many years. So you have a forum tied to a magazine that simply not many people are reading any more. 

Efforts by print to save itself have mostly boiled down to charging for internet content, which has almost always proven to be spectacular failures when tried. No one wants to pay any real $$$s for internet content. Advertising content in the mag is way, way, way down too. And that's not a good thing, by the way. Ads are a sign of hobby and magazine health. Their lack indicates otherwise. Except for a few of the big players, FSM is almost devoid of ads these days.

And FSM is highly dependent on them. That's why most of their model 'reviews' are not really all that useful. They have to softball them, so what advertisers there are keep coming back, no matter how horrid the kits actually were.

Whether people realize it or not, we are/were living in a golden age for the hobby, where the selection and quality of available kits have never been better. At the same time, it is very difficult on manufacturers these days. Most of the 'low hanging fruit' that would justify the tooling expenses has been done to death already. 

One of the things that undoubtedly changed the industry was the entry of the Chinese manufacturers in the 90s. They were making stuff no one else would, and in large numbers. But I think they have been hurt by their own success now - the easy pickings are gone for subjects. Dragon in particular seems to be scraping the bottom of the barrel these days, due to the vast amount of armor kits they have put out the last 20 years or so. They are relying on prototypes and one offs, and stuff even your usual SGF has never heard of. That makes it tough going when you have to pay the tooling costs on something so obscure up front. But what else is left for them to do that would be a great seller?

It doesn't help that they seem to have stopped caring about what crap they put in the box. Whether you are just an assembler, or a rivet counter, the Dragon M103s were a disgrace in a box. And they were charging top prices for such a half baked kit, when they have better efforts cheaper in their own product line. I wonder where they go from here, especially in armor.

I think you can see this in the kit wish listing that goes on annually in the mag, and online all the time. The lists sure have changed over the last 30+ years! In the old days, there was a fair amount of stuff that could still be done. Once in a while now there is something that might justify the tooling costs, a few that might make it as shorts runs, but most of the 'suggestions' are of stuff the manufacturers may just as well flush their money down the toilet, set their facility on fire, and shoot themselves afterwards. That 1/32 Farley Fruitbat modelers are just dying for in surveys is never going to be worth tooling. If it does get released and has a rivet misplaced, it gets savaged in reviews and sells poorly to the 'informed' hbby crowd they are relying on for most of the sales. Then there are cases of stuff like the Monogram  1/48 JU-52 people just had to have...and sat on shelves when actually released. 

'It was the best of times; it was the worst of times...' Things may never have been better than they were in the last few years, but the industry is changing again. It is going to be increasingly tough for manufacturers to stand out with products that are commercially viable. I saw this with overproduction and too many players in the train hobby starting around 2000, and the train side of the hobby has steadily eroded since. Will the hobby disappear? I don't think it's all gloom and doom, but I think it is going to be more end times for some, and consolidation for others. I think the big boost from the Chinese players entering the market has run its course now. We'll see where it goes from here. 

 

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Posted by silentbob33 on Monday, April 25, 2016 7:13 PM
Off the top of my head I had an M1A1 and an M-18 Hellcat in the armor thread, although the Hellcat is way back there, a He-219 in aircraft, and a Jedi starfighter and AT-AT walker in sci-fi. I do wish there was an easier way to search the forums.

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Posted by Bakster on Monday, April 25, 2016 6:37 PM

SilentBob, I would like to check out your WIPs. I have to admit that since the forum update that I am a bit lost in how to search out people's posts. Where are they located? What genre? 

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Posted by Bakster on Monday, April 25, 2016 6:32 PM

There you go Stik. That is what I am talking about. You are doing it. Way to go sir.

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Posted by silentbob33 on Monday, April 25, 2016 5:16 PM
You have great points Baxter. Having a few quiet WIPs myself, I know how any response can help keep things moving and let the OP know their work is appreciated.

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Posted by stikpusher on Monday, April 25, 2016 4:44 PM

Bakster

 

I also agree that the moderators/admins should be more involved to spark some life into their product. I have strong opinions on that, and I will keep those to myself.

 

 

 

Agreed 100%... and then some. I'm a mod on another forum, and if I see a topic that is slow or has no replies, especially a WIP or completed build, I say a little something to let the poster know that their work is not ignored. 

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

       - Plankton

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Posted by Bakster on Monday, April 25, 2016 4:30 PM

This topic is quite timely. I am running a WIP, and today, I came close to closing it out for a lack of perceived interest. It gets pretty discouraging when you post updates and very often all that you get in return is crickets. I am not looking for atta boys, but hearing something would be nice. And, trust me, it does not have to be advice.

I like following WIPs too and that is the reason I stepped up to do my own. I am not doing this for myself. I am doing it to give back to this forum by giving people something to look at, and maybe even learn something from everyone's combined input. 

I often chime in on other people's WIPs even if I don't have advice, just so the OP knows that someone appreciates the effort. A little bit goes a long way. So the next time that you think you have nothing to contribute, think again. Just posting something helps fuel the fire for the OP to continue on. Otherwise, what's the point. Trust me. It would be far less effort on my part if I didn't run a WIP.  

I also agree that the moderators/admins should be more involved to spark some life into their product. I have strong opinions on that, and I will keep those to myself.

 

 

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Posted by Tojo72 on Monday, April 25, 2016 3:57 PM

silentbob33
I love seeing WIP threads, but I don't always comment. A lot of what I see surpasses my skills, and I would wager more people on this site have far more specific knowledge about the subjects than I could find through a quick Google search. I don't feel like I can add anything other than an "atta boy" type comment because I'm so impressed with what I see, and my work pales in comparison. I'll read through several threads just absorbing information. Maybe I'd feel like I had more to contribute after being around a bit longer and getting a bit more knowledge and experience under my belt.
 

Nothing wrong with attaboys let's the poster know someone cares.Or something specific,weathering looks great,I like the tracks,how did you get that look.

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Posted by silentbob33 on Monday, April 25, 2016 2:19 PM
I love seeing WIP threads, but I don't always comment. A lot of what I see surpasses my skills, and I would wager more people on this site have far more specific knowledge about the subjects than I could find through a quick Google search. I don't feel like I can add anything other than an "atta boy" type comment because I'm so impressed with what I see, and my work pales in comparison. I'll read through several threads just absorbing information. Maybe I'd feel like I had more to contribute after being around a bit longer and getting a bit more knowledge and experience under my belt.

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Posted by modelcrazy on Monday, April 25, 2016 12:41 PM

Gamera
I guess I could start a few threads but other people tend to come up with better topics than I do.

I feel the same way, but I post something like a WIP anyway, if nothing else maybe it gives someone something new to read on occasion and maybe I can impart an idea to someone. I do find the lack of responses a little discouraging and find I get more when I post the same topic on other sites but what the heck, I can use them as my own build log.

Steve

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Posted by Scarecrow Joe on Monday, April 25, 2016 12:04 PM
What I find most frustrating is the lack of involvement from the admins and/or owners of the site when this type of threads appear. Ignoring long time members genuine complains and/or observations regarding how things are felt by the community. If someone posts and never come back that's their loos, but when issues like these are brought forward the overall vibe (of just ignoring) received from the ones "in charge" is a loss for EVERYONE. A thing like that can not continue for too long, that to me is the sign that a shutdown is in the near future. Hope I am wrong though.
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Posted by Greg on Monday, April 25, 2016 10:07 AM

Rob Gronovius
I call those "drive by posters"......
 

That's funny. Smile I always called them "post-and-runners" but I like yours better, Rob. Those folk annoy me too. But I don't get why active members continue to answer the question weeks if not months after the OP. Oh well.

I don't mind repeat questions. I think being receptive to those helps keep new folks coming in and the forum alive (with the exception of the post-and-runners thing). Sad

 

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Posted by Texgunner on Monday, April 25, 2016 8:03 AM

modelmaker66

Maybe all the good questions are already asked and there is nothing left to say.

 

I guess that depends on how far back one is willing to look...Wink

New modelers sometimes ask old questions too.

Gary


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Posted by templar1099 on Monday, April 25, 2016 8:00 AM

modelmaker66

Maybe all the good questions are already asked and there is nothing left to say.

 


I understand the sentiment, if am looking for info I will use the 'highly intuitive' search function and generally will find the answer somewhere already posted. I will not post advice unless I have experienced a situation directly, my lack of knowledge in this hobby would fill Wikipedia, and then some, but will add opinions to topics that strike a chord. But I have never been disappointed in the interactions here. 

"le plaisir delicieux et toujours nouveau d'une occupation inutile"

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