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My Super 61 (Walcott's bird) in progress

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, October 10, 2005 7:34 PM
Very nice work. I wish I'd seen this thread before I started my bird. Keep us up to date with the build.Big Smile [:D]
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Posted by adrake2 on Monday, October 10, 2005 6:15 PM
Whistling [:-^] Now that is a beautiful gun. Once again, I am very impressed with your work, Andy. I think I can speak for all of us on the helo forum that we can't wait to see the finished product.
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Posted by Avus on Monday, October 10, 2005 3:41 AM
OK Guys, we can pack our stuff and go home! intruder_bass is here with his superb Miniguns ... as usual!
Andy would you please stop posting your pics ... we are green with envy Wink [;)]

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Posted by intruder_bass on Monday, October 10, 2005 12:11 AM
A little update before finish. Smile [:)]

M-134 Minigun
barrels and "body" from CC
handles - from the kit but a little modifiedWink [;)]
ammo chute - Eduard PE (Huey armament set)
"spent-shells-thing" - piece of plastic sprue (drilled out)
nuzzle - foil
electric cables - wiresWink [;)]
lower mount - brass square rods
upper mount - kit's



Ammo boxes under constructionWink [;)]

Andy
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Posted by JohanT on Wednesday, September 7, 2005 4:39 PM
I have been on vacation.
You too?
This is so the best thread on this site, please keep posting :)
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Posted by blkhwkmatt on Tuesday, August 16, 2005 3:25 PM
Wow!! [wow]very, very nice. I must say that I am way beyond impressed!!! Looks good enough to climb in and crank up right now!! Big Smile [:D]
Bow [bow]

You are setting a very high bar for the rest of us, thanks for the inspiration.

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Posted by grandadjohn on Saturday, August 13, 2005 9:13 PM
Been a while since I checked in here, you have one GREAT looking bird coming along, can't believe the detail you've put in
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Posted by arki30 on Saturday, August 13, 2005 7:04 PM
I'm more than slightly impressed. Wow, that's freakin awesome!

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Posted by Awood23 on Saturday, August 13, 2005 3:41 PM
Intruder, If I didint know better Id swear those were pics of a real Blackhawk working its way down the assembly line.
Outstanding.
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Posted by Avus on Thursday, August 11, 2005 2:34 AM
Yawn!
Is that all?!
Yeah not bad ...

Bow [bow]Just kidding it's AWESOME!Bow [bow]
It's only that ev'rybody keeps saying that your work is impressive, so thought I'd change a little. Big Smile [:D]

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Posted by intruder_bass on Wednesday, August 10, 2005 9:50 PM
LOL!!!
No problem! I thought I made everybody sick allready with this topicWink [;)]
But if you interested....
here is Super 61 allmost ready for painting (just couple of things left to add like hoist and antennas)
Hope next week will start paint job.






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Posted by TommyHawk on Wednesday, August 10, 2005 9:57 AM
Hi - Any new in-progress pics?
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, July 16, 2005 8:44 AM
The lower left panel is an access panel, for an antenna, it stays. The right panel looks like a sheetmetal repair patch, as the rivets follows the longerons fairly accurately and the "Footballs" are used to bolt into the skeleton of the tailboom. Unless that is a later mod for the ECS, I can't think what that is for. The Task Force does have considerably more radio capacity than line units, it might be for SATCOM .
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Posted by intruder_bass on Saturday, July 16, 2005 8:08 AM
Salbando, Mscottholt - you are right (as always thoughSmile [:)]) I took this panel off already and sanded the surface. Here is the pic of what Eduard offers to make on the right (starboard) side of tailcone:



Same story with this panels?
I found at least one photo of 160th bird where it is seen but I better ask you guys before I glew it on just to make sureBig Smile [:D]



Andy
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, July 15, 2005 4:21 AM
Andy,
If it's the panel you're refering to then I can tell you that we have one on each side of the tailboom on our HH-60G's. They're not on the MH-60K and I can't remember on the MH-60L. I've got some pics of them on our HH-60G's. If you'd like I'll try to post them (a little busy at the moment). The one on the left side has a meshed vent opening in the middle of it (not sure what for).

Oh yeah, I know that at least S-67 had PLS installed in Mog and I know that a couple other MH-60L's had PLS as well....just can't remember exact tail numbers. Most of the SOF Hawks I've worked out of have (or have had) PLS installed simply because CSAR is often a SOF-air mission.
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Posted by intruder_bass on Monday, July 11, 2005 11:35 PM
Wow! Thats interesting!
Do you mean this multi-angle panel with rivets on it is the access one? It did not come with the kit (Eduard set gives it) To say truth I didn't even think it might not be necessary on DAPs...Wink [;)]

Andy
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, July 11, 2005 8:55 PM
We had the AN/ARS-6(V) or the earlier cousin of it. Selected units in ArmyAv had them, namely 1/52nd in Korea on the A+ 'hawks and a few Medivacs. That was back in '89 or '90. However, from some of the photos I've seen of DAPS, they seem to be absent, or very hard to see. You have plenty of room as the antennas were more under the crew dog's station.

Your tailboom looks great, however, I have a question, and hopefully if I'm wrong someone will correct me. Your side profile of the tailboom has the panel access to what I remember is the ECS (Environmental Control System) or older High Freq radio shtuph. The only -60's that had that were EH's and the VIP birds. EH's had them because of the DF equipment in back would bake the AC if the ECS would fail (not red X'able, so aircraft was PMC instead of FMC) and the VIP birds because of all the perfumed princes that rode in the back. Again, memory is clouded by age and a misspent youth, so crew dogs or line techs, please correct me if I'm wrong.
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Posted by intruder_bass on Tuesday, July 5, 2005 6:25 PM
From your opinion do i have to make them too? I mean this PLS system was installed back in 93'?

Here are couple of new pics of the progress...




Andy
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, July 5, 2005 5:41 PM
The Two long antennas behind the FLIR are the ones for the Pilot Locator System. In the 'Hawk, one of the FM radios is removed and the control head is inserted in the center console. My last unit had three birds wired for it. It is used to locate pilots who are using their PRC-112's. The UH-60's PLS antenna's are slightly behind the pilot/co-pilot stations, slightly ahead of the Struts in alignment.
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Posted by intruder_bass on Tuesday, July 5, 2005 12:56 PM
Thats really great idea!
I already forgot about this ManualBig Smile [:D]
chapter 3


The only thing is that I have TM 1-1520-253-10 for UH-60Q helicopters... it doesn't contain all special equipment for DAP or 160th birds.
According to this bottom view picture 2 whitish disks ARE the altimeter antennas and the triandle bubble is LD/ADF antenna... If I am not mistakingCool [8D]

Still nothing about 3 antennas behind the FLIR and the plugs.

Andy
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, July 5, 2005 2:08 AM
I think on the top picture pointing to the triangular looking thing is the lower IFF Antennae, I could be wrong, when I left I chucked all my -10's. Andy, if you have the operator's manual, all that you arelooking for should be in chapter 2.
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, July 5, 2005 2:05 AM
The Two downward fins belong to the Pilot Locator System, the whitish oval/circle is the receiver or transmitter for the Radar altimeter and I have no idea about the two plugs behind the FLIR, looks like the female ends for a cannon plug?
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Posted by intruder_bass on Monday, July 4, 2005 8:48 PM
Roger thatSmile [:)]

I have some more questions if you don't mind... I've got stuck a little making the bottom of the aircraft. On some photos of 160th birds you can see "equipment" not included in the DAP kit. Looks like antennas or something but the problem is that I have no idea what is it and (which is most important for me) was it installed on MH-60's back in 93'?
I marked these "antennas" with "question marks" on photos:


What is this bubble? Is there any chance it was there on Super 61?


You can see 3(three) antennas aft from FLIR... Should I build them too?

Thanks a lot for helping me on my research on Black Hawks!!!Smile [:)]

Andy
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, July 4, 2005 1:14 AM
Andy,
Concerning the Gothic Serpent era MH-60L you are correct. Spiral antennas only; no plume detectors.

In actuality, I believe the 160th birds got the plume detectors before our Pavehawks, but it was after 1993 (can't remember when I actually started seeing them on the MH-60L). Our (USAF) Pave Lows (MH-53J's now M's) actually have had plume detectors and spiral antennas for quite some time, but on the HH-60G it was part of the Block 152/162 upgrade and SPS mods started in the mid-late 90's. You'll even see some birds (HH-60G's) that still don't have the plume detectors, albeit most of them have gone down for the Mod and have them by now.

Bottom line on your MH-60L.....spiral antennas-yes......plume detectors-no.
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Posted by intruder_bass on Sunday, July 3, 2005 5:07 PM
Salbando,
If you don't mind I will transfer our sensor conversation here cuz I am not sure Black Wizard is enjoying it under his topicSmile [:)]
If I understood correct they started to install these sensors on Paw Hawks first and then on ARMY helos but it was later then 93' I have many photos with the "horns" on 160th birds but they are dated 2002 and later... So in my particular case I should make only spiral antennas on the nose and no sensors even on the tail? Thats kinda in-time cuz I was about to glue them on my modelBig Smile [:D]

Andy
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, June 28, 2005 2:49 AM
Looks great
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Posted by intruder_bass on Saturday, June 25, 2005 7:57 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Avus

did you sand the surface to make the holes disappear or did you punch over them?


Yes. I filled them with putty and sand the surface (it wasn't so hard because kit has only about 30% of suppose-to-be rivets)

Andy
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Posted by Avus on Saturday, June 25, 2005 3:54 AM
I have one more question:
What happened to the original recessed rivets?

I mean to model comes with recessed rivets, i.e. holes in the surface, did you sand the surface to make the holes disappear or did you punch over them?

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Posted by HeavyArty on Saturday, June 25, 2005 12:45 AM
I see, so it is a mock raised rivet since there is still some recessed area. Very interresting. I think i'll still stick with the recessed kit rivets. Still looks way too tedious for me. Good job, it is coming out great.

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Posted by intruder_bass on Friday, June 24, 2005 10:18 PM
Smile [:)] LOL!!!!

Well I am little "crazy" about models but I am not insane to make about 2000 punched each individual rivet out of styreneSmile [:)] I hardly can even imagine how long it would take to glue them back on the hull....

Here is a simple drawing of the process:


There are two main tricks in this method:
1. Its really hard to make the rivets lay on straight line (I suggest to draw guiding lines with a pencil right on the hull)
2. its hard to keep the pressure on the tool constant. Other ways it can effect the size and depth of the rivet...

If you have more questions please don’t hesitate to ask
Andy
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