My Super 61 (Walcott's bird) in progress

QUOTE: Originally posted by intruder_bass Avus No I used recessed rivets method but instead of injection needles I took beading tools. Needles are good too but due to the softness or small diameter of the shaft - can't stand even a couple of dozen of rivets. The kit's plastic is too hard for them which leads to deformation of needle. Beading tool is much "stronger" comparing to needles and has all diameters from 0.3mm to 2mm. Its rather cheap and very helpful. About rising panels - I thought about it but probably it's tooo early for me It is a hardcore! And if one day I decide to do it - I will use brass foil not a plastic Andy

Let me make sure I understand how you did it. Still a little fuzzy.

You punched each individual rivet out of thin sheet with a beeding tool, then placed each individually into the existing recessed rivets. Is that correct?

If so, that is way too tedious for me. I'll stick with the kit's recessed rivets.

Avus
No I used recessed rivets method but instead of injection needles I took beading tools. Needles are good too but due to the softness or small diameter of the shaft - can't stand even a couple of dozen of rivets. The kit's plastic is too hard for them which leads to deformation of needle. Beading tool is much "stronger" comparing to needles and has all diameters from 0.3mm to 2mm. Its rather cheap and very helpful.

About rising panels - I thought about it but probably it's tooo early for me It is a hardcore! And if one day I decide to do it - I will use brass foil not a plastic

Andy

Wow, your rivets look great (as the rest does).

I read the article thoroughly, but which of the described methods did you use?
Look like you used the raised panel technique; if so you had to apply sheets of plasticard over the model, did I get that right?

I am testing beading tools designed to repair or making jewelry...


then there is a good info about rivet making here:
http://www.largescaleplanes.com/tips/RatoMarczak/riveting_1/riveting_1.html

Andy

Rivets look good. How did you make them?

Some more pics...


and new tool test - rivets (I will not be able to make exact ammount of them but at least something) What do you guys think? Do they look better then whats given in Academy's kit? Of course its far from what Huey has (still can't understand y Academy made nice rivets on UH-1 and so bad on Black Hawks




Andy

I'm looking for nothing in particular.
I just wanted to see the pic Sal posted (currently I have a mean red X) so I had a look at the HTML code and found out that it's on a . mil site. And I recalled that momentarily I don't have access to that kind of sites!

Andy,
Yeah, I took them over at our maintenance hangar. I'll take a look to see if i've got what you're looking for.

Avus,
I have the same thing at home when trying to access certain .mil sites. Some will only open when the user is on a .mil domain for security reasons. Usually they will have a second .mil site that is open to public domains.

Avus

What is it you're looking for? Maybe I can help.

Seems I'm having problems with the .mil domains. I can't open any of the army, air force, navy or usmc pages, neither from home nor from work!

Holly Jesus! Where all this pics were before???? I love them!
did you take them by yourself? Can you take some more?????
The air intake is off on the 3rd pic! I'd love to take a look at this section. if only i could move the camera a little bit lower..... Gear boxes are awesome!
Thanks a lot!

Here's some detail pics of one of my squadron's HH-60G's showing the tail rotor gearbox detail, and tail rotor drive shaft and intermediate gearbox. Should be the same as any other H-60.


notice our Jolly Green mascot in the background.

Main rotor hub detail


Theres some H-3 and NSAWC SH-60F stuff that I posted as well.
http://photos.kitmaker.net/showgallery.php/cat/500/page/1/perpage/10/ppuser/6667/what/allfields

QUOTE: Originally posted by salbando For some reason the pic is not showing in the forum, but it shows when you click on it. You can see the crew chief giving the two minute warning, the fast rope Hausers, and FRIES bar deployed, and pretty good detail of the M-134, and main gear strut.

Oh ya i can see it! Great shot!

You can see the crew chief giving the two minute warning, the fast rope Hausers, and FRIES bar deployed, and pretty good detail of the M-134, and main gear strut.

Not sure why the 160th operates with the main strut fairings off. Never noticed it in Mog.

That looks like the mount points for the AN/AVR-2A(V).

Great details..looks awsome!

Wow! what a nice shot!!!!!
thanks salbando! Great!

Andy

Looks like the 160th is still flying their MH-60L's without the main strut fairings. This was taken in Aug of 2003 during a CAPEX.

It almost looks like a DIRCM mount, but I'm not sure.

I haven't looked at my Academy H-60 lately, but after what you've said I'll be checking out the APU exhaust. Might have to open it up a bit.

Hi guys!
Another quick question. Looking trough photoes like ~8356th time I've noticed couple of interesting things. I marked the "thing" with red question marks.
What is it? Why is it missing on Academy's DAP? Was this sort of "equipment" installed on h-60s back in 93'?



By the way: take a look at size of the pipe marked with green arrow on the first pic.... On Academy's kit this "hole" is allmost twice smaller!

Andy

Wow, it's lookin' great. I look forward to these pictures every time I check the forums. They're definitely inspiring. I know what you mean about the growing experience. More than once have I wanted to scrape a project because I could have done something easier and better the next time around. Thanks for the pics, Andy, and keep up the excellent work.

I'd like to see those pics of yours from Somalia, Salbando! thanks for compliment to my model... to say truth I am not on 7th sky of what I did (some parts turned out not as good as i could expect ) But that’s probably normal reaction when you look back on your first steps and say: "Damn! I should have done this part a little smoother" or "glue it other way".
Well, maybe thats what they call growing experience...

Here is what I made by now:
bulletproof blankets



main transmission and starboard intake



Andy

Andy,
I didn't know if you had seen the site or not. As I've told Grant, I've got photos taken from my time in Somalia, but I'm still digging stuff out of storage and figuring out where to put it in the new house
When I find the pics I'll try to scan them and post them. For the time being I'm like a one legged man in an ****** kicking contest trying to finish up my Senior NCO PME (maybe someone will screw up and I'll make E-8), prepare for an upcoming UCI, and getting ready for another deployment to the land of little grass.

Oh and if that's not enough, the local fire department has really been pissing me off lately. 3 requests for assistance in 3 weeks (2 rescues and one medevac). All 3 called off once we stepped, launched and arrived on scene because their dispatch and incident commanders weren't sharing info.

(sorry guys....had to vent a little)

I will say that your MH-60 is one of the most comprehensive and detailed birds I've yet to see. Keep it up!!!!!

Sure there is an interest. Always like looking at your progress. This is going to be one super-detailed model. Show more pics.

Thanks Salbando...
I have these photos too from BHD93.com...
The first photo is correct for Super 6's but second one is not... I've drown basic plan of the blanket allocation and sent it to Ray Dowdy (crew chief on "Super 61"). I should say it was very kind of him to correct it and reply on my questions about the particular bird...
According to Ray - "there where 6 sheets of it on the floor. The sheets were touching each other. There was cutouts so the FWD facing seats, and the AFT facing seats could be attached to the floor"....
The ballistic blanket is done on my model already (if there is an interest I will post pics).
BTW - about the cabin doors... I didn't say the cabin doors were off - just the cockpit ones
here is one of most famous pics of "Super 61" for example:


Right now I stuck for a bit cause have not enough time for finishing the intakes/exhausts… also there is a delay in “rivets production” - I ordered beading tools from Russia… Seems like it will take them a while to arrive here… That’s about it for now…

I also have to say again that your help guys - Salbando, Mogwa, Heavy Arty, Avus, is REALLY APPRECIATED!

Andy

Here's what the balistic "blankets" look like when installed. This shot was from Mog but the aircraft is a UH-60 armed mith M-60D's. The blankets on the MH's were installed the same.



Fox model Cobras and 58's down on the beach FARP at Mog. I thought they were 10th Mountains birds but can't remember. The 58's flew on the 3rd but the Cobra's were on stand-by. I think they flew on the 4th though.


Super 66 "Gun Slinger". You can see how they had the numbers on the main cabin windows and they DID have the cabin doors on. The only thing wrong with the text on the photo is that it's 2nd Squad, not 3rd Squad (Keni is on the left)

Looks great,keep us posted.

HeavyArty
Thanks for the hint on shortening the ammo box. I'll follow your suggestion.

intruder_bass
Glad the picture was useful. I'll have a look at my pics and see if I can find some more shots.
BTW I got those pics from Mr.Werner (the e-mail is on the pic). Try to mail him and see if he has more pics that cuold interest you.

Avus, the photo you sent me recently with M-134 on it is really nice...and not because of Minigun

The M/L/G fairing is removed on this aircraft. Some wiring is exposed. Do you have some more pics of this Black Hawk?

Salbando, Avus,Heavy Arty: thanks again for the modern ammo magazine info... Its really helpful. For now I will use 40mm ammo cans that I have from some TAMYIA (or Verlinden) kit...

Avus,
I did the same thing on my MH-60L DAP model. I also cut the box down about 1/4 inch. It looked way too tall to me, it goes almost to the ceiling in the original Academy size.