My Super 61 (Walcott's bird) in progress

Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Friday, May 27, 2005 6:04 PM

Awesome.
Great attention to detail.
Smile [:)]

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intruder_bass

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November 2013

Posted by intruder_bass on Friday, May 27, 2005 5:34 PM

Next step of my project - main rotor assembly. Still have to add some smaller parts though Smile [:)]

thanks to Mscottholt for photos and info. If everything will go fine next week I'll be ready for the worst part of the model... RIVETS!!!! Dead [xx(]

God help me to handle it!!!

andy

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HeavyArty

Member since
December 2002
From: Valrico, FL

Posted by HeavyArty on Friday, May 27, 2005 4:15 PM

QUOTE: Originally posted by intruder_bass

Guys, YOU ARE THE BEST!!!

Special thanks to Army and AF fellows who agreed to take pictures and (or) info about place cards.
one thing only.... I don’t know what is Nats.
I am planning to finish my Super 61 before July. If its possible I’d love to have decals earlier then CC or other company will accept and start production (may take them a while )

thanks
Andy

Sent you an email on the deals. Nats is the IPMS (International Plastic Modelers Society) National competition and show. I think it is in Atlanta this year, early to mid July.

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intruder_bass

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November 2013

Posted by intruder_bass on Friday, May 27, 2005 2:21 PM

Guys, YOU ARE THE BEST!!!

Special thanks to Army and AF fellows who agreed to take pictures and (or) info about place cards.
one thing only.... I don’t know what is Nats.
I am planning to finish my Super 61 before July. If its possible I’d love to have decals earlier then CC or other company will accept and start production (may take them a while Smile [:)]

)

thanks
Andy

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Trigger

Member since
February 2004
From: Moooooon River!

Posted by Trigger on Friday, May 27, 2005 10:35 AM

QUOTE: Originally posted by Avus

Great idea!
We could ask two persons (one in the AF and one army guy, you might know who I'm talking about) to get us the dimensions and some close ups to make correct decals.

This is going to become one hell of a decal sheet! If anyone has contacts to Cobra Co., Two Bobs or similar companies we might get them to make a "real" decal sheet.

Already on it Wink [;)]

I've spoken with some of you guys off the boards about this, but now's a good time to mention that I've already been looking at vendors for just such a sheet of MH-60L and HH-60G decals. I've already started on MH-60L sheet version 3.0 so yeah, placecard info would be awesome to have.

The manufacturers are all slammed right now getting ready for the Nats and I've got to find time to finish what I've started with the MH-60L sheet (Avus, HA - I haven't forgotten your proofs) so don't expect anything produced before the Nats this July. But it will happen!

------------------------------------------------------------------ - Grant "Can't let that nest in there..."

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Mogwa

Member since
January 2004
From: atop a UH-60

Posted by Mogwa on Friday, May 27, 2005 9:28 AM

Im a 60 guy and i can handle the Army stuff. I think I've got a pretty good idea where I can get data plate info.
Mog

UH-60 Crewchief / Technical Inspector and Modelling Addict

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HeavyArty

Member since
December 2002
From: Valrico, FL

Posted by HeavyArty on Friday, May 27, 2005 9:24 AM

OK, I can take a hint. I think I am "The Army Guy". I really don't have regular access to Blackhawks to get pics of data plates though. I'm sure Sal will come through. He is on these birds all the time, everyday. I only get to ride in them every once in a while.

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Avus

Member since
June 2003
From: Caput Mundi

Posted by Avus on Friday, May 27, 2005 7:35 AM

OK the AF guy replied! Thanks salbando! Thumbs Up [tup]

Of course you'll be rewarded with an appropriate ammount of decals! Smile [:)]

Klaus

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Friday, May 27, 2005 5:43 AM

I'm on it (USAF -60 Placards/data plates).

But as my great grandfather used to say back in the old country (Sicily) "I may ask you for a favor in the future" (i.e. a couple decal sheets). Wink [;)]

nudge, nudge, say no more.

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Avus

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June 2003
From: Caput Mundi

Posted by Avus on Friday, May 27, 2005 2:09 AM

Great idea!
We could ask two persons (one in the AF and one army guy, you might know who I'm talking about) to get us the dimensions and some close ups to make correct decals.

This is going to become one hell of a decal sheet! If anyone has contacts to Cobra Co., Two Bobs or similar companies we might get them to make a "real" decal sheet.

Klaus

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Trigger

Member since
February 2004
From: Moooooon River!

Posted by Trigger on Friday, May 27, 2005 1:36 AM

QUOTE: Originally posted by intruder_bass

Question or even suggestion to Avus and others who intrested in making home decals for Black Hawk. As you all know the Academy decals are not very good:
So I suggest adding these markings to home-made decals by Avus. I could draw all markings in PHOTOSHOP and prepare them to be added to Avus's decal sheet. All I need is the better quality photo of them and text written on them (if possible) If somebody here still works on this birds or can make picture (i hope this is not secret stuff) - it would be just awesome! At last there should be black Hawks somewhere in museums!

Thanks
Andy

Andy -

I'm working on an "expanded edition" decal sheet for MH-60Ls and A/MH-6s based off of what Avus and Heavy Arty have done and there's room a plenty for such markings. Main thing I would need to know are the dimensions of those labels to scale the art properly.

------------------------------------------------------------------ - Grant "Can't let that nest in there..."

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intruder_bass

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November 2013

Posted by intruder_bass on Thursday, May 26, 2005 10:00 PM

yes but the last one for example contains some drawings on it.... well from my point of view if there is a possibility to make it closer to original - i will do my best to achieve it.

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, May 26, 2005 9:21 PM

each one of those is a data plate with the serial number and nsn/description most are hard to read 1/1 scale and the print is very small so anything that looks like them in general would work

sgtkopp

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intruder_bass

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November 2013

Posted by intruder_bass on Thursday, May 26, 2005 8:06 PM

Question or even suggestion to Avus and others who intrested in making home decals for Black Hawk. As you all know the Academy decals are not very good:
1.because of their color
2.they dont have some really usefull stuff - markings like:

So I suggest adding these markings to home-made decals by Avus. I could draw all markings in PHOTOSHOP and prepare them to be added to Avus's decal sheet. All I need is the better quality photo of them and text written on them (if possible) If somebody here still works on this birds or can make picture (i hope this is not secret stuff) - it would be just awesome! At last there should be black Hawks somewhere in museums!

Thanks
Andy

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, May 26, 2005 5:06 PM

#1 WHat the picture shows is correct. I don't have pictures of that area, sorry.

#2 The ballistic blankets are an invention that I didn't see. They were introduced after I left the army. If you are able to find the company that makes it (maybe dupont?) they might have the schematics, but they might be leery about giving out information about armor ballistic protection, in the interests of OPSEC.

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intruder_bass

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November 2013

Posted by intruder_bass on Wednesday, May 25, 2005 7:27 PM

Mscottholt, if you dont mind I will ask couple more questions about Black Hawks. Think it can be interesting for others too.
The hawk I am recreating in my model-copy had no fairings around the main landing gear strut just like on picture below. Usually you can't see the upper part of the strut because of the fairing.

#1.the question is: there are 2 "polished metal places" on the strut - one very close to the weel and another goes up. Is this correct or just bad picture makes this fake view? Do you have any close to this section pictures?

#2. ballistic blanket (again)
ALL Black hawks in Somalia had ballistic blankets on the floor. This is the only useful pic that I was able to find. But its still not enough for me - i don’t know how they should be allocated on the floor. Any scheme or other photo will be really appriciated!!!

Thanks a lot
Andy

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HeavyArty

Member since
December 2002
From: Valrico, FL

Posted by HeavyArty on Wednesday, May 25, 2005 5:01 PM

QUOTE: Originally posted by chopperfan

I am putting all of this information on my computer.
Starting to get me all worked up. Gonna have to pull the DAP kit off the shelf and start gluing!!!

I have 3 moreAcademy MH/UH-60s in the pile, will definitely use the info from here on them.

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chopperfan

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November 2003
From: Oklahoma

Posted by chopperfan on Wednesday, May 25, 2005 3:52 PM

I am putting all of this information on my computer.
Starting to get me all worked up. Gonna have to pull the DAP kit off the shelf and start gluing!!!

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, May 24, 2005 3:57 PM

Intruder_Bass, That looks pretty close. Much better job than I could ever do. The scoop has a rather thin profile, and is very hard to see due to the screen mesh.

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JohanT

Member since
April 2005
From: Gothenburg

Posted by JohanT on Tuesday, May 24, 2005 1:56 PM

The most constructive thread I have followed so far!
Thank You for sharing intruder_bass!
Thank You for all details mscottholt and all!
Please keep posting guys Smile [:)]

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intruder_bass

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November 2013

Posted by intruder_bass on Tuesday, May 24, 2005 1:16 PM

Mscottholt so if I understood you right the air scoop looks about like this:

is it correct? what's the length of the scoop? i mean should it be longer then on my picture or shorter?
As i am building the hawk that flew in Somalia, is it possible that air scoop was of darker color because of dust and dirt?

To Avus Yes, I used Evergreen T - beams. As I said before everything I did is approximate so the sizes of bulkheads and diameters of the holes can possibly be not in proper scale. I tried to make them look like on photos but there is no guarantee that they are correct.
Evergreen catalogue numbers that i used:
275 - central bulkheads
113,153,219,128, styrene sheets 0.5 mm thick
Plastruct
90512 - side bulkheads
...and others
well its hard to describe - i used everything that i found in my stock. Smile [:)]

good luck!

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TommyHawk

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February 2005

Posted by TommyHawk on Tuesday, May 24, 2005 11:14 AM

This is great! Really gives me some inspiration/aspiration! Thanks for posting the pictures...

TommyHawk

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Avus

Member since
June 2003
From: Caput Mundi

Posted by Avus on Tuesday, May 24, 2005 7:35 AM

Thanks intruder_bass!
Looking at your pics it seems you used Evergreen I-beams. Could you please tell me the models or the sizes?
What is the diameter (or radius) of the holes and the thickness of the plasticard?
Thanks.

Klaus

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, May 24, 2005 2:42 AM

The scoop is either a yellow-brown to orange in color.

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, May 24, 2005 2:41 AM

Sorry this is a terrible drawing, but I did it on photoshop. That is the sort-of general profile of the scoop on the doghouse.

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HeavyArty

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December 2002
From: Valrico, FL

Posted by HeavyArty on Monday, May 23, 2005 9:25 PM

Great stuff, thanks for the ceiling drawing.

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Trigger

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February 2004
From: Moooooon River!

Posted by Trigger on Monday, May 23, 2005 9:22 PM

Awesome! Thanks for taking the time to share that with us.

------------------------------------------------------------------ - Grant "Can't let that nest in there..."

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intruder_bass

Member since
November 2013

Posted by intruder_bass on Monday, May 23, 2005 2:01 PM

Thanks a lot, mscottholt really great pics and really helpful info!

Hydraulicandmixingdeck.jpg - the first file posted by you did not open - can you please do it one more time?
Now since I have these pictures I am thinking of building my next Hawk with opened doghouse, engine sections and even transmission shaft.
One more thing about this square hole on doghouse: you can not look through the net? is there some kind of filter on the inside of it?
Here is what i made on it:

should I block it from the inside?
Andy

P.S.
Here is the ceiling scheme i promised to you guys
if there will be any questions please don’t hesitate to ask

Scratch build part starts right from the "troop cabin door front line" and ends a little bit AFT the "rear wall line". I did not make the front part of the ceiling (pilot cabin - troop cabin door line) because it is usually covered with sound proof material (OD color)

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Monday, May 23, 2005 7:11 AM

The rectangular hole in the front is merely an air scoop. You don't really see into the doghouse, but the scoop is a fiberglass orange. The hole on the right of the doghouse is the vent blower intake. It is a tube. You see it in the picture above, the triangular thingy with no step stencilled. Any more questions I'd be happy to share with you.

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Monday, May 23, 2005 7:07 AM

This is a larger blowup of the Hydraulic deck

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