My AV-22, a new type of "Spooky" or "Spectre"

Yeah, I tried suggesting a 40mm grenade launcher a while back. A couple guys here with far better experience than I pointed out some problems with that idea.

hmmmm a 40mm grenade launcher gatling gun

This just in....AFSOC has funded a proposal to see if it would be feasible for the AC-130U to employ the new 120mm mortar round/launcher that the US Army is developing. There's some good bang for the AV-22C-3 Mod2.

Later guys...I'm heading out Moose hunting. See you in a few weeks.

QUOTE: Originally posted by salbando Later guys...I'm heading out Moose hunting. See you in a few weeks.

You know, my sister was bitten by a moose once...(Sorry, too much Monty Python as a teenager!)

How would a mortar-type system work? It sounds interesting, but I think there'd be some issues with it...for now I'll stick with cannons and miniguns.

yeah would someone have to go outside to load the launcher?

I think what salbando is referring to is this:

http://www.defense-update.com/products/a/amsII.htm

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/lav-m.htm
(scroll to bottom of this page, last pic and paragraph just above "specifications")

Mortars are generally described as a smoothe-bore, low-velocity, short-range weapons. They can be breech- or muzzle-loaded. Mortars can be anything from a cardboard firework tube and projectile to a massive railroad car mounted artillery piece firing projectiles the size of small cars.

QUOTE: Originally posted by Cableguy9238 I think what salbando is referring to is this: http://www.defense-update.com/products/a/amsII.htm http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/lav-m.htm (scroll to bottom of this page, last pic and paragraph just above "specifications") Mortars are generally described as a smoothe-bore, low-velocity, short-range weapons. They can be breech- or muzzle-loaded. Mortars can be anything from a cardboard firework tube and projectile to a massive railroad car mounted artillery piece firing projectiles the size of small cars.

It's good to learn something new - I too thought that mortars were always muzzle-loaded. However, I notice that this one has a range of roughly 6 miles, so I'm not sure it could be described as short-range.

QUOTE: Originally posted by Cableguy9238 I think what salbando is referring to is this: http://www.defense-update.com/products/a/amsII.htm http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/lav-m.htm (scroll to bottom of this page, last pic and paragraph just above "specifications") Mortars are generally described as a smoothe-bore, low-velocity, short-range weapons. They can be breech- or muzzle-loaded. Mortars can be anything from a cardboard firework tube and projectile to a massive railroad car mounted artillery piece firing projectiles the size of small cars.

Cool, that's a big gun. One question though - will it fit in a V-22s cabin?

QUOTE: Originally posted by Trigger74 Cool, that's a big gun. One question though - will it fit in a V-22s cabin?

A little Marine Corps ingenuity will MAKE it fit!
True, that is one beefy gun, but all we need is for the breech mechanism to fit inside the cabin, right? lol.

QUOTE: Originally posted by AH1Wsnake QUOTE: Originally posted by Trigger74 Cool, that's a big gun. One question though - will it fit in a V-22s cabin? A little Marine Corps ingenuity will MAKE it fit!

Yeah, but how do I make 550 cord and riggers tape in 1/48?

LJ,
Your work here is very impressive as well as all the weapons suggestions. Now here's my "way out of left field" idea for your B model. The P-3 and S-3 have sonabouy dispensers in the aft end of the aircraft. Invert the disensers to the overhead( aft of the wing and near the cargo ramp) and convert them into mortar tubes to loose a volley as it flies over a target. Just a thought.
Eddie

you could drop large lead balls out of the back of the Osprey sure probably won't kill anyone but would surely scare em silly.

QUOTE: Originally posted by Mikeym_us you could drop large lead balls out of the back of the Osprey sure probably won't kill anyone but would surely scare em silly.

Or, to go a non-lethal route, the GIBs could dump boxes of rubber "superballs" out the ramp! That's sure to sow confusion among the enemy...could it be a useful crowd control technique? Probably not.

I hope to actually get some more work done in the next few days and get something new posted for comment.

Anyone have a reference site for doing scale conversions? I'm trying to figure out what diameter evergreen rod/tube I'll need for 30 and 40mm cannon barrels. (Supposedly math is my friend, but I must have made it mad, it's doing me no favors lately).

Scale conversions are pretty easy, just take your real-life measurements and divide them by the scale you are working on; 72, 48, 35....

For a cannon with an inner diameter of 30mm:
30mm / 48 = 0.625mm for the inner diameter of your scale cannon
40mm / 48 = 0.833mm

QUOTE: Originally posted by LemonJello (Supposedly math is my friend, but I must have made it mad, it's doing me no favors lately).

If a V-22 takes off from New River and flies north at 300 kts, and an AH-1Z takes off from Pax River and flies south at 90 kts, then where and when will they pass each other?

BTW LemonJello - what's the latest on Ophelia? She still sitting there, spinning her wheels?

Snake, thanks, I thought it was that simple, but too many moving parts at work have driven me to distraction lately. Now I have to see if I have anything that'll work for my barrels.

Trigger, she's sitting off the coast, slowly moving this way...we've pretty much battened down all the available hatches, pulled in the welcome mat and now we just have to wait. We're as ready as we can be to ride this one out.

Edited: No word problems! They're like the cobra to my mongoose...or the mongoose to my cobra. Either way, they make my brain hurt!

Bzzzzzzzzz. The Osprey and Cobra will merge wherever the beer is two-for-one and as soon as happy hour begins. Probably Rocky Mount, around 5:30-6:00.

aren't the 40mm grenade launchers in the 1/48 scale UH-1C Huey Hog kit about the diameter you looking for? because the 40mm grenade launcher and the 40mm bofors launch the same diameter shell but what you need is a brass tube the diameter you want then cut it to the desired length.

hmmmm I have a idea for a newer 40mm gun it looks like a MK19 but is bigger because of the size of the shell. just use the 1/35 scale MK19.

Speaking of mortars, I just saw this. How about arming Spooky with AMOS:

http://www.primeportal.net/artillery/olof_nilsson/amos_photos.htm

Double the trouble, double the FUN.

Hey LJ, check this out...


http://aviationnow.ecnext.com/free-scripts...rticle=JLH09205

(Thanks to "General Grievous" over on ARC for the info)

Bad link.
Did you mean THIS?

Yes. Thank you A_Marx!

Pretty cool! I had seen that article linked on another website. That would be the one to put all the big guns in, wouldn't it? You'd just need 2 1/48 V-22s, maybe a Herc or Provider body and a lot of evergreen and putty. I don't think I'll take that one on anytime in the near future. This "Baby Spooky" is keeping me plenty busy (when I get time to work on it, that is).

Well, maybe this weekend I can get some more interior work done and settle on how I want to make the guns...Any ideas?

I still stand by a "Four Horsemen" arrangement:

1) M230 (30mm from the Apache)
2) M242 25mm Bushmaster - or - GAU-12 25mm from the Harrier and AC-130U
3) 7.62mm Minigun - or - M61 20mm Vulcan
4) Unknown (possibly all new?) large caliber "crowd pleaser."

The GAU-8 was designed for the A-10 - why not design a new gun system for the AV-22?

ok the amos looks cool but what is the Duce and a half from hell behind it lol

QUOTE: Originally posted by PanzerWulff ok the amos looks cool but what is the Duce and a half from hell behind it lol

It appears to be the Bofors Archer BD 77

Edit: Info can be found at Boforsdefence

Cabin Dimensions of the V-22:

6' x 6' x 24.17'

So, those are the dimensions that these weapons, ammo, fire control, 55 gallon drums for spent shells and - oh yeah, WSOs - all have to fit in.

Just eyeballing what I've got so far, it'll be tight, but not overcrowded in back.

Gotta get going on the guns and mounts one of these days...it's hard to know when to say enough is enough on details that probably aren't going to be see when it's all closed up.

Neat idea, not sure it is really practical, but it sounds like a fun project.

As far as the weapons have you thought about the .50 cal gatlings, they make a 3 barrel and a six barrel version, falls right between the 7.62mm and the 20mm, more ammo carried than the 20mm but alot more punch than the 7.62mm, you have a tight space so some compromise is called for.

For the heavy punch the Soviets made a clip fed breach loading 82mm mortar called the Vasilik, it looks more like a small howitzer than a mortar and has a 4 round magazine, its been available since the 80's. I Wouldn't think it would take much work to convert it to 81mm and maybe go with a 10 round magazine or even a hopper. I think an 81mm mortar make enough boom to keep most people happy (unless its falling on you) and it also has many ammo options in case just big explosions are not enough for you.

Just a thought, also for your gun barrels you probably want to think about brass or aluminum tubing, it is much thinner than styrene and will look better. Its not much harder than styrene to work with except you need to use CA instead of plastic glue.

Quite an ambitious project. I'm looking forward to seeing the completed work. Good luck.