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Posted by rotorwash on Sunday, February 18, 2007 5:57 PM

Here's another of the Nighthawk/Firefly ships.  Though you all might find it intersting. 

 

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Posted by skypirate1 on Sunday, February 18, 2007 3:53 PM

Ray

Well said mate Thumbs Up [tup]

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Posted by skypirate1 on Sunday, February 18, 2007 3:50 PM

Mel

Thanks for that, i couldnt tell from the pictures, i have finished scratch building one of the seats ,2 more and 2 of those support poles to go :o\

Howie

Thanks for the info, i will keep hunting for the control panel photo in color, the nighthawk would make a great model, would just need to get a sheridan in same scale for the searchlight Smile [:)]

Andy

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Posted by rotorwash on Sunday, February 18, 2007 3:33 PM

Howie,

  Personally, I have no problem with considering Firefly ships and other specially armed long fuselage Hueys gunships.  I just wish kit manufacturers wouldn't put an XM-21 or XM-6 system on their long bodied US Army Huey kits.   I have no doubt they do this to entice modelers who want their models to all be gunships, but it just ain't right!  My generation has enough troubles trying to understand the true history of the Vietnam War without the missinformation provided by the kit manufacturers.  Actually, it would be great if they would make long fuselage Hueys with some of the exotic weapons systems we've been discussing here. I have never seen a model of one of these unique weapons configuartions.  Has anyone else?  In the end, though, I find modeling is the best vehicle for me to understand the history of the war.  I can't even begin to tell you how much I have learned while doing the research on the Huey and how much more repect I have for all you guys who were there.

      Ray
 

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Posted by Howie Belkin on Sunday, February 18, 2007 1:04 PM
Has anyone got a picture of the control panel on the ceiling in the UH-1H cockpit?
Andy
Andy
Lou Drendel's HUEY Squadron/Signal book* has a picture of the control panel on the ceiling 
but it's a B/C... All of the poles/tubing frame for the passenger area seats that I saw in 
person or photos were grey, as was the entire compartment including the sound proofing 
fabric - appx FS 36231 Dk gull gray (which isn't dark, it's a medium shade)...
 
Thanx Mel - I never knew what those brackets were for medevac litters!
 
Gino & Andy:  Wayne Mutza's WALK AROUND UH-1 GUNSHIPS* is a great pictorial reference 
incl the overhead panel, seats, etc. But on one pg he states to the effect that the only 
long-fuselage (D/H) heavily armed Hueys were RAAF and VNAF but a couple of pages later he says, 
"Long-fuselage Huey variants were designed primarily for the troop transport role; however, 
they qualified as gunships when equipped with offensive armament." It depends on which of
his definitions you want to accept! 
In Squadron's GUNSLINGERS IN ACTION, they tell the history of arming helicopters because 
it didn't take long to realize the bad guys weren't going to let you come and go as you 
pleased unmolested.  They even armed those little bubble Bell OH-13s - and on the other 
extreme were the Chinook Guns A Go-Go!  I have no argument that my company's ‘slicks' 
with the XM-23 M-60 armament was defensive.  But from the day they installed the minigun, 
searchlight (from Sheridan tanks!) and night vision scope with Army standardized equipment 
and mountings, on one of my company's slicks (which wasn't a one of a kind) until the day it 
went down killing the entire crew, that ship was a gunship. So were the D/Hs with twin M-60s,
 twin .50 cal, etc.  
Clear right!
Howie
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Posted by Melgyver on Sunday, February 18, 2007 7:37 AM

The large seat support poles that run from the floor to the ceiling are gray.  Sometimes the short poles under the seats were silver, mostly gray.  The 2 small brackets with 6 sets of holes on the large support poles were for the latch attachments to install litters in the Medevac versions.

Clear Left!

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Posted by skypirate1 on Sunday, February 18, 2007 6:24 AM

Just a quick question, are the poles that hold the canvass seats in the back of the UH-1H/D silver or grey ??

Andy

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Posted by grandadjohn on Saturday, February 17, 2007 6:52 PM

 shadow 4 wrote:
  John, they also rolled the 10,000 pound daisy cutter out of the back of the C-130 on a chute.  What year was yours and who did you serve with?  Shadow 4. 69-71. U.S.Army

Active duty 1968-71:Basic training at Ft. Bliss, AIT at Ft. Rucker, Korea 2nd Avn Bn 2nd ID, Ft. Stewart HHD, 5th A/C Maint Bn, Germany Baumholder HHC 2nd Bde, 8th ID

Co. Nat. Guard: 1971-80, 1157th Avn Co(Atk Hel) later Co D 40th Avn Bn. Picture I used in the other thread was UH-1M, 15145 during that time peroid. Hope I answer your question

By the luck of the big computer in DC, I was not sent to Vietnam

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Posted by skypirate1 on Saturday, February 17, 2007 2:06 PM

Mel

I couldnt agree more, i think the media caused far more silent casualties than the NVA/VC ever could. would the brave men who served in WWII still have recieved those medals if the same media crews from Vietnam had been there. people had never seen real war on the tv and couldnt handle it. To me all of you who served in Vietnam are heroes.

Just some info for those that dont know, Big Blu 82 or (Daisy cutter) was a 15000 lb bomb that was used to create a quick landing zone for helicopters, it had a 38 inch long 'daisy cutter' fuse extension to trigger an explosion above ground, to increase destructive power and to avoid making a crater.

 

Andy

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, February 17, 2007 12:51 PM
  John, they also rolled the 10,000 pound daisy cutter out of the back of the C-130 on a chute.  What year was yours and who did you serve with?  Shadow 4. 69-71. U.S.Army
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, February 17, 2007 10:57 AM

well, speaking as a member of generation x who's father came home in 1971 when I was 20 months old, please know that I've lived in the shadow of the blade my whole life and have always felt the vets of that war deserve so much more than they got, they also deserve a whole lot more historically accurate documentation than exists........

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Posted by Melgyver on Saturday, February 17, 2007 6:56 AM
One of my fellow 174th buddies served with Ed after Vietnam and are good friends.  Glad Bruce is finally getting the recognition he deserves.  There are a lot of guys out there that deserve the Medal of Honor also, they just were never put in for it.  Then every recipient of the MOH says they don't deserve it, their buddies do!  "Were do we get such men?"    

Clear Left!

Mel

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Posted by grandadjohn on Friday, February 16, 2007 7:13 PM
 Melgyver wrote:

For those of you that don't know the the famous quote by Joe Galloway during an interview for a "Huey" special on the History Channel a few years ago refering to Helicopter Pilots and Crew Members, "They were a special breed of madmen.  One of God's lunatics!".   It was "adopted" by the Vietnam Helicopter Crew Members Association and it is one of their shirts I'm wearing in the "avtar".  If the "shoe fits"!  Heh, heh!  I have my 174th "Witch Doctor" patch pined on it also.

 

Bruce Crandall will receive his Medal of Honor on 2-26-2007 for his actions in the Ia Drang Valley , it is being upgraded from the DSC. Ed Freeman got his Medal of Honor in 2001 for the same action.

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Posted by Melgyver on Friday, February 16, 2007 6:59 PM

For those of you that don't know the the famous quote by Joe Galloway during an interview for a "Huey" special on the History Channel a few years ago refering to Helicopter Pilots and Crew Members, "They were a special breed of madmen.  One of God's lunatics!".   It was "adopted" by the Vietnam Helicopter Crew Members Association and it is one of their shirts I'm wearing in the "avtar".  If the "shoe fits"!  Heh, heh!  I have my 174th "Witch Doctor" patch pined on it also.

Clear Left!

Mel

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Posted by skypirate1 on Friday, February 16, 2007 3:46 PM

Has anyone got a picture of the control panel on the ceiling in the UH-1H cockpit?

Andy

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Posted by HeavyArty on Friday, February 16, 2007 6:49 AM

Yes, I have seen the Fireflies, or Nighthawks, etc.  They are not true Gunships though.  By Gunship I mean similarly outfitted and employed as the UH-1B/C gunships.  Fitted with forward firing, semi-fixed weapons and employed in a fire support role all the time by an attack helo unit.  The Fireflies, and other one-off, specially constructed birds were mostly unit-built on helos designated as slicks or an excess helo that was built up and had limited use.  I still contend that the US did not use D/H models as dedicated gunships.

 

I am fully aware of the pitfalls of some resources sources.  The History channel is entertainment and should never be used as a sole research tool.

"I think you said it earlier, Gino - just build and be happy, don't count rivets... or something to that effect.  I couldn't agree more!"

 The above wasn't me.  I am definitely into making my models as historically accurate as possible.  Maybe not a rivet counter, but close to it. 

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Posted by wooty on Friday, February 16, 2007 4:35 AM

Hey There

Here is the UH-1D/H Gunship version we are talking about

 

They where called UH-1D/H "Nighthawk"

I have seen pics with them having .50 cal M60 and also Miniguns with the Light mounted aswell ( not all on the same bird, but in different configuration).

HTH

Robert

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Posted by rotorwash on Friday, February 16, 2007 12:53 AM

Howie,

  My father mentioned those armed long fuselage Hueys.  Weren't they called Fireflys or something like that?  They were also occasionally armed with 50 cals as I recall from my refs.  Also, there was the MAD (Morter Air Delivery) system that was carried by H models.  Apparently the VNAF preferred arming their H models with miniguns on pintles instead of 60's and 7 shot rocket pods. The more I dig, the more I think there is no armamant combination some Huey didn't sport at some time during Vietnam.  I TOTALLY agree with you, never say never!

         Ray

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Posted by Howie Belkin on Thursday, February 15, 2007 11:26 PM

Welcome home, Mel!

You've got my favorite shirt on in your photo - please tell the guys what it says!

And much of memory is going, going...  but the photos and notes I took help jog my memory now, plus "I was just there last night..."

 

Ray - sorry, my unit didn't have that gun mounting and I'm not familiar with it exceot from building models, I know they used it on Chinooks and the Marines used it on their H-34s, or something similar.

 

Gino - never say never, trust me!  My Co. had a D/H (H I think) gunship.  Even though C/227 AHB 1st Cav Div was a slick company, one of our duties was for two ships to fly up to a neighboring base camp and stay overnight.  One had a makeshift temporary hook up with parachute flares, the other H was hooked up as a gunship.  When (not if) the base camp took incoming overnight, we'd scramble.  When we saw mortar tube or rocket tube flashes we dropped flares and the gunship let them have it.  They had a huge spotlight and a minigun next to it in the ship's lefthand open cargo doorway.  I believe a starlight (night vision) scope was mounted above the minigun.  Everything on the gunship was bolted to the floor - the gun on a tripod mount.  I thought it was something they rigged up just in my co. but one of the Sqn books has a picture of one on the ground, with a gunner kneeling behind the gun.

 

Matter of fact I like the Sqn books a lot for reference.

 

Nice photos, Gino! 

 

Also in researching, watch out for errors.  You can't even watch History Channel w/o slapping your forehead and saying, ‘what'd they say?'  And you never know with published stuff - ofttimes somebody picks up what somebody else put out and has no idea it was in error, so they pass along the error forever more.

 

I think you said it earlier, Gino - just build and be happy, don't count rivets... or something to that effect.  I couldn't agree more!

 

Mel - how young and dumb were your guys?  We called the bullet proof vets (the hard, stiff curved ones) ‘chicken plates' and hence the macho, ‘I don't need no stinkin chicken plate!'  Did you guys have more brains by 1971?

 

Clear right!

 

Howie

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Posted by HeavyArty on Thursday, February 15, 2007 7:15 PM

Just a thought - the Ia Drang was the first major action - to the best of my knowledge we only had early Huey B/C models serving as slicks and as gunships at the time.  Probably 'free/bungee' 60's then...

The UH-1D was fielded in late '62.  There were both B/C gunships and D model slicks at the battle of Ia Drang/LZ X-Ray in Nov '65. 

Pics from LZ X-Ray showing UH-1Ds.

I believe when the D/H's arrived the B/Cs became gunships - I thought until replaced by D/H gunships and then Cobras but a friend of mine flew gunships B/C's long after I came home - 1972.  So a logical, chronological - order - is not logical!

The B/C was retained as a gunship since it could carry a wide range of munitions and still carry a few troopers if needed.  They also were kept around to augment the Cobras which were not fielded till '66.  The H model was fielded in late '67.  The US never used the D/H model as a gunship.  The Aussies did use the D/H as a gunship called the Bushranger with miniguns just behind the pilots doors and dual M60's on a pintle mount along with rockets at the doorgunners' positions. 

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Posted by Melgyver on Thursday, February 15, 2007 7:09 PM

Howie,

WELCOME HOME!

I've been a bit busy with remodeling the house on my days off from work so haven't been online much.  Saw your previous note about the large ammo can for your M-60.  We had them too and they were the "mini-gun" cans of 7.62 ammon.  I had a Dr Pepper can for my "ammo feed".  One of the taller C-Ration cans worked well too.  I was with the 174th AHC up at Chu Lai in the summer of "71".   www.174ahc.org  Your memory isn't too bad! 

 

 

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Posted by rotorwash on Thursday, February 15, 2007 7:05 PM

Howie,

  Did you ever see a mounting system called a "Sagami" mount.  It was supposedly devised by a soldier of the same name in the early 60's and allowed for an M60A to be mounted in the door  and folded out of the way for egress of troops.  All info I can find indicates it was only used on short bodies Hueys (B's mostly).  I have seen photos of it on gunships as well as the earliest slicks (before the D model come in country).   It looks as though you could make one fairly easily from stretched sprue, if you had some skills (which is why I don't have one yet).  I haven't been able to find any links to photos on the web, but you can see numerous photos of the mounting system in the Huey Gunships walk around by Squadron I mentioned several posts ago.  Page 26 has a particularly good shot of this gun mount.  I'd really appreciate any info on the use of this gun mount.

    Thanks,

         Ray
 

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Posted by Howie Belkin on Thursday, February 15, 2007 6:49 PM

BTW, to all of you who (ever) served and your dads who have - thanks and welcome home!

Just a thought - the Ia Drang was the first major action - to the best of my knowledge we only had early Huey B/C models serving as slicks and as gunships at the time.  Probably 'free/bungee' 60's then (and after we shot off enough rotors they figured we needed those pintle mounts with 'stops' built in so we didn't kill ourselves)...

I believe when the D/H's arrived the B/Cs became gunships - I thought until replaced by D/H gunships and then Cobras but a friend of mine flew gunships B/C's long after I came home - 1972.  So a logical, chronological - order - is not logical!

FYI there's a civilian group in GA (?) who have rebuilt several Hueys and Cobras and go around to a lot of the airshows giving Huey rides for $50 and giving a performance.  I don't know if they're starred in movies yet.

Howie

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Posted by Howie Belkin on Thursday, February 15, 2007 6:24 PM

Looks like I was a little loud before, SORRY about that!  They didn't do that great a soundproofing job after all, as my ears can attest.  All the ones I saw were grey.

We flew with the cargo doors off - including the narrow cargo doors at the front of the compartment, just  behind the pilots.  It saved weight, and egress time - the big ones were also in the way for refueling - the gas cap was on the ship's right side, past the gunner.  We flew with the pilots doors on - I guess it was a unit by unit thing.

I found my figure set at an IPMS show and got lucky, as well as a Revell Huey slick.  As far as the pintle mount and seats, they're not that difficult to make.  I made one years ago.

Re the pintle mounting:  What mounts to the slick body is somewhat teardrop shaped to conform to the body - you could use a piece of paper and play around with it til you get the shape to trace (unless you have that tool...) onto sheet plastic.  You need 2 of these ea for the gunner and crewchief.  One goes on each end of a thich plastic rod about 2 1/2 (real) feet long.  At the center, top of the rod would be a thinner rod that comes up veritcally to what would have been waist high on the gunner (sorry - I eyeballed mine).  Sitting on top of this would be roughly a U shape that the M60 sits in.  I glued   mine and didn't get concerned about it moving around.

We had an oversize can of ammo loosely wedged behind that verticle rod and the gunner's feet.  I didn't know there was actually an ammo can made to fit that mount until I saw DML's figure set!  Ours was probably from a grenade launcher (40mm?)...

HR (IR?) made a line of 54mm (32nd scale) weapons and the co. is still around - I remember an M-60 - I'm pretty sure they had a helo M60 with the handgrips instead of the infantry stock.

You can use paper to play around with to get your dimensions for the seats.  When new they were fairly taught.  In fact, when new the early 'model' especially stateside was a red/orange.  The ones I saw in Nam were khaki colored.  If you go with a medium thickness plastic you can roll it a little over your Xacto handle or such to give it a little 'sag,' stipple it with liquid cement to create a fabric texture, if you want to get crazy, punch out half circles where you're going to put the grey tubular legs and floor-ro-ceiling posts.  Those are made from plastic rod.  Just space them out evenly (again, I Mark I eyeballed them)... glue some cans made of rod painted OD to those posts for smoke grenades - paint the top of the cans the color of smoke that would be in it - a yellow, red, purple, green... add a straight piece of sprue for the lever.

Was that of any help?

I took photos which helped jog my memory.  A note of caution re veterans' memories - guys may not remember that well - ask a cop taking witness' accounts after an accident and add 30+ years!  I had Frank Gabreski as a guest speaker at my chapter and I told him modelers argued over whether the bottom of his last P-47 was painted grey or was natural metal.  He looked at me and said, "Darned if I know!  I pre-flighted it and flew it almost every day but I never 'looked at it,' not like that!"

I was a modeler before I went to Nam so I took photos and was conscious about keeping records, not leaving it to memory!

Clear right!

Howie

 

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Posted by skypirate1 on Thursday, February 15, 2007 11:13 AM

Gino

Thanks for that mate, see what you mean about the price plus overseas postage and thats only one m60 mount sorted, i think i'v picked the wrong hobby lol probly be cheaper to put my helo back in the box and start collecting pokemon or teapots Big Smile [:D]

If i get the cobra company mounts, 1 crew kit should do

Andy

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Posted by HeavyArty on Thursday, February 15, 2007 10:24 AM

As far as i know the DML crew set are like gold dust now, although everyone seems to have found a set ,they are out of production and i cant find them anywhere.

There is a set on eBay right now.  They aren't going for cheap though.

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Posted by skypirate1 on Thursday, February 15, 2007 8:52 AM

Thanks alot for that Howie, there's some realy great info there, another Air Cav vet Bow [bow] i realy appreciate you vietnam vets contributing to these posts, its great to have info on the hueys from the guys that served in them and had first hand experience.

 I always wondered what the quilted fabric was for, makes sense now though, i have painted it grey in my model as most people do but i have noticed that in most of the huey pictures it looks a greenish color!

 I have seen pictures of a huey with its right chin bubble and windshield framed in grey it looked a right mess lol. Great story about the flak vest in the chin bubble i'd do exactly the same, great for visibility not so great when people are shooting at you!

I have the revell 1/32 UH-1H gunship its not supplied with crew seats as it comes with M6 quad Machine guns and seven pod rocket launchers that according to revell are mounted behind the doors!!! so there is an ammo box for the M6 where the seats should be, so you have 2 options leave off the guns and have a seatless slick or use the forward mounted miniguns included in the kit and turn it into a still seatless UH-1H bushranger gunship lol.

As far as i know the DML crew set are like gold dust now, although everyone seems to have found a set ,they are out of production and i cant find them anywhere.

Thanks again Howie for the guide round the inside of a huey, all the little details are great to know and will help out loads Smile [:)]

Andy

 

 

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Posted by rotorwash on Thursday, February 15, 2007 7:52 AM

Howie,

     Good to see a  veteran willing to help us out.  Thanks, and thanks for your service!  My father was with the 190th AHC out of Bein Hoa from '68-'69.  He has told me, and all his photos bear this out, that they flew without the pilots doors.  However, all the photos I have seen of his still show the cargo door in place.  Was the removal of the cargo doors a unit specific thing?  I have also seen plenty of photos showing HAL3 Seawolves choppers minus both doors, probably because they operated over water and wanted a quick evac in case of trouble.  As for the fact that pintle mounts came later in the war.  I have to confess that I can't find a photo of the Ia Drang battle that shows a doorgunner position well enough to tell.  However, I do have a photo from Feb or '66 that clearly show a whole flight of D models with M23 mounts and guns in the doors (Bell Uh-1 Huey "slicks" 1962-1965, p. 20).  My father said to his knowledge no slicks ever had free 60s, and I understand that was also because the new gunners flew in the slicks and the pintle mount kept them from shooting the rotors off.  Please give me your opinions about this.  Also this link : http://tri.army.mil/LC/CS/csa/aaarmsys.htm#M23 indicates that the M23 system was developed in 1964 so it could have been in use by the time of the Ia Drang battle.  All I have to go on is photos and documentation, I wasn't there, of course. Thanks again for the info, I wasn't aware that any Army units regularly flew without the cargo doors.  That's two less parts I have to put on my late war Hueys!

     Ray
 

  
 

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Posted by Howie Belkin on Wednesday, February 14, 2007 11:12 PM

Hello Gents,

I was a doorgunner with C Co., 227AH Bn 1st Air Cav 1969 beginning of '70 flying out of Phuoc Vinh.  Fireball included one of my Hueys, Nevada Gambler, as one of their subjects.  Joseph really researched his decals, from actual photos as well as interviewing crewmembers.  For that matter, a photo is worth 1,000 memories because the mind fades a lot faster than photos!

A couple of things that caught my attn in this thread:

Early Huey gunners' M-60s hung down 'free' on a bungee cord.  Later, came the pintle mount.

I always thought the 'D' and 'H' looked the same, that the only difference was a more powerful engine.  I heard that from a Bell employee.

Never say never.  Helo pilots and crew were all volunteers and a bunch of wild and crazy guys that did a lot of wild and crazy things.  For example, the VN Helo Pilots Assoc Calendar's featured photo for Feb 2007 shows a B model with napalm.

I learned that different things happened at different times in different places.  i.e.  I don't know anybody that sat on their helmet.  I don't know anybody that could sit on their helmet for hours at a time!  On the other hand, I remember 'supply' coming around the flight line one day offering flak vests and being macho 19 year olds we refused them.  I remember too that my pilot that day took the one I refused, and dropped it down into the clear chin bubble for protection.

As far as the C-ration can ammo feed, we all used it, as your ammo belt would be flapping around somewhat, even if you tried to steady it with your other hand.  A little sprue or rod depending on the scale model is easy enough.  The ink would have worn off so just paint it OD.

The passenger/cargo compartment seats could be rearranged however you wanted because the 'seats' were simply heavy fabric on a tubular frame.  There were 'circles' embedded into the floor that had multiple uses, and some - not as many - on the ceiling.  One was for the tubular frame 'legs' to clip into the floor.  The ones on the cieling were where the 'poles' mounted top and bottom.  The poles had rectangular braces on them, that we hung smoke grenades on.  Revell had released a Huey slick and a Huey Gunship.  The slick had these seats - you wouldn't have to build a thing.  I think Panda also released their kit as a slick and a gunship.

The Huey could take a lickin and keep on tickin.  In addition to patching holes from bullets or shrapnel with small patches touched up with zinc chromate green paint, we often would replace a panel altogether.  If you see a windshield or chin bubble framed in whitish grey, that's the unpainted fiberglass.  I joke with my IPMS chapter members that the correct shade of OD was 'checkerboard.'  One panel would be brand new semi gloss brownish OD, another dull flat Brown, another greenish, and so on for an almost checkerboard effect.  That's a little exaggeratted but gives the impression!

What else?  Rather than take things for granted, do you know the roof windows above the pilot and copilot are tinted green?  There are a few brands of paint that have a 'transparent green' you can simply spray the parts.

The crew figures that came with the Panda Huey were also available as a figure set from DML (?) which came with I believe, only one pintle mounted M-60 and one bungee cord.  You'd have to buy a 2nd set for two.  Or there's the Cobra Co. accessory.  They also have the armor plates for the pilots' seats.

We usually carried a tool box, a water can and a case of c-rations in the forward part of the passenger area, just behind the center console, with a seat belt going through it all and fastened at each end to the floor so they didn't fly out the doors (there were 'rings' in those circular indents in the floor).

We flew with our cargo doors off.  I've seen others that just flew with them open all the time.

Most the walls and ceilings were covered with a 'sound absorbing' (it sure as hell wasn't soundproof!) grey quilted fabric that had snaps, and snapped onto the wall.  It had cutouts where there was the box to plug in to the radios (cieling),,, I've seen slicks flying without all these panels fastened properly or missing some.

We wedged our M-16 or other personal weapon between our seat and the wall.  In spite of regulations to the contrary, some guys had a shotgun or a Tommy Gun (that they bought or had sent from home!)...

OK, I smell something burning.  I've been thinking too long!  Time for me to call it a night - and go back there.

Start asking questions and I'll answer them best I can.  Just think - the 1/72 modelers have to scratchbuild most of this.  There's no Cobra or other company producing parts in that scale.

Clear right! 

HowieB

  • Member since
    February 2007
Posted by skypirate1 on Wednesday, February 14, 2007 3:05 PM

Bob

Great to hear from an Air Cav vet Bow [bow] thanks for the links i have been a big fan of the huey for over 20 years now and its an honour to speak to someone who flew them in vietnam.

maybe i worded it wrong at the start of the thread and i know that there is way to much info on the huey to put in here but my main reason for posting was because of the huey model kits and the best way to make them look how they did when you flew them. we all know what they look like in the pictures but many models dont supply the parts to make them look authentic, some of the armament configurations are wrong in the models and Gino helped out with his diagram to cover that, I know you can get updated parts from the cobra company and decals from fireball modelworks but im also interested the scratch building of other parts the crew seats or weapons the little things that are not included in the box but bring a bit more realism to the model.

i have seen a Revell 1/32 UH-1H that had been turned into a bushranger the guy used wooden BBQ skewers for the rocket launchers and a bit of hose for the mount, milk carton cardboard for the ammo box topped with tin foil for the lid, the finished model looks great and thats what i mean, any little tips or tricks people have used to make the huey look like she is supposed to.

That said its still great to have a place to just chat and share info about hueys Wink [;)]

Andy

 

While the rest of the crew may be in the same predicament, it's almost always the pilot's job to arrive at the crash site first.
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