Arnhem.

I had time to make a start on the street and building.........

Plenty more work needed here..................I want to touch up all the paintwork, refine the colour lines and then gloss the whole thing so I can add some inks to all those nooks and crannies!

Then I need to dry brush some of the bricks and cobbles............This is going to be hard work!

Hi, 

I didn't jot down any of the site address's but I have saved some reference pics that I found on various searches, I'd be happy to share them with you. I'll have a look in my files and see what I have. As for the figures, to my eye they all look pretty much the same size. Once I get them assembled, you'll be able to judge for yourself.

Hey! I'm really looking forward to this, you're moving much faster on yours than I am mine- similar project, just more of a "Hollywood" type "Street Fight in Arnhem" scene-

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I have a few of the figure kits that you have (The Dragon 4some and the Verlin figures taking cover behind the wall)

I'll let you know now that Verlin usually makes their figures a little tiny bit bigger than Dragon does, not sure if it's how they get all the extra detail or what?

The Dragon figures are a little old, so you might have to bring out the molded on detail with putty or a nice paint job, but I'm sure it's doable for you after looking at what you did with the plaster. Really like how you brought up the road debris on the brick wall.

Darren-

I am so glad to see you starting this project!  I know from our previous conversations that this is a very special project for you, and I know you will make a scene here that captures the determination and desperation of the event.  I am really looking forward to seeing this one come together.

...this is a very special project for you, and I know you will make a scene here that captures the determination and desperation of the event.

Sounds like it means a lot to you, as you said, this is a big project. So I’m sure you’ll do it up right and I’ll be taking a few notes and pointers along the way for my own.

Thanks Everyone for the friendly reception!

To answer your question about the base, it came from a UK company called Great North Roads. They have their own website and I have to say make some of the most interesting dio scenes I have ever come across. The big plus is that their quality is very good and they are reasonable on price. This piece cost me £22.00, roughly $15.00.

My plan is to depict the troops dug in on the second day, the troops themselves will be tricky for me to paint as anyone who knows me will tell you I'm no figure painter! Still, I will learn as I go along.

TANGO 1 wrote:

My plan is to depict the troops dug in on the second day, the troops themselves will be tricky for me to paint as anyone who knows me will tell you I'm no figure painter! Still, I will learn as I go along.

Sounds like a good attitude to me!
2nd day huh? Glad they’ve still got a sense of reinforcement. I’d hate to imagine being around for day 4 or 5... Is this then part of Frost’s battalion after they became surrounded?

This is one of my favorite battles; unfortunately I realize I haven’t been able to retain much about it. Too many Documentaries...


 

Very, very nice!

I will follow this oen for sure!

Arnhem is perhaps my favorite battle. But as Psstoff, I don't know alot about it.. I barely know anything..  Strage, isn't it..

How's the Dragon figures? Been drooling over them aswel.

And 22 £ isn't bad at all for the house!

  Looking good Tango

  ‘A Bridge To Far' is one of my favorite movies so I too will be looking forward to updates on this project. The part were they reject the Germans surrender proposal is classic.

   Love the building and I'll be checking out that GNR site. I can't wait to see the Horch built up don't see many of those.

And disastermaster, that part is true

The german really have his cheek to the ground when he get's the reply...  

And yeah, looking forward to the Horch aswell  

psstoff995 wrote:

TANGO 1 wrote: My plan is to depict the troops dug in on the second day, the troops themselves will be tricky for me to paint as anyone who knows me will tell you I'm no figure painter! Still, I will learn as I go along. Sounds like a good attitude to me! 2nd day huh? Glad they’ve still got a sense of reinforcement. I’d hate to imagine being around for day 4 or 5... Is this then part of Frost’s battalion after they became surrounded? This is one of my favorite battles; unfortunately I realize I haven’t been able to retain much about it. Too many Documentaries...

Huxy wrote:

And disastermaster, that part is true The german really have his cheek to the ground when he get's the reply...     And yeah, looking forward to the Horch aswell

   You mean Panzerguy. I know are avatars look similar, Mine is Robert Shaw as Hessler and Steves is Otto Alberty as the Tiger commander in Kellys Heros.

   I had read that the encounter was base on fact just wasnt sure if the dialog was the actual words used.

Mansteins revenge wrote:

psstoff995 wrote:  TANGO 1 wrote: My plan is to depict the troops dug in on the second day, the troops themselves will be tricky for me to paint as anyone who knows me will tell you I'm no figure painter! Still, I will learn as I go along. Sounds like a good attitude to me! 2nd day huh? Glad they’ve still got a sense of reinforcement. I’d hate to imagine being around for day 4 or 5... Is this then part of Frost’s battalion after they became surrounded? This is one of my favorite battles; unfortunately I realize I haven’t been able to retain much about it. Too many Documentaries...   They landed on the 17th and Frost's troops surrendered, I believe on the 21st---(maybe the 20th)...contrary to popular belief, the main fighting at Arnhem took place around the village of Oosterbeek which was several miles away from Arnhem, closer to the landing sites...

Manny

You got it right:  Frost's 2d Battalion landed with on the 17th and made it to the northern end of the Arnhem bridge.  By the end of the day, they were cut off and surrounded.  Theyu would fight on for three more days, then on the morning of the 21st, the surviviors surrendered.  The rest of the 1st Airborne began their withdrawal on the night of D+8 (the 25th of September) and the movement continued through the early morning hours of the 26th, from their 'thumb shaped' perimeter in and around Oosterbeek.  About 300 members who could not be evacuated surrendered that day, marking the 'official' end to the operation.

panzerguy wrote:

I had read that the encounter was base on fact just wasnt sure if the dialog was the actual words used.

lol Clint Eastwood had to "cool" it up I'm sure

bbrowniii wrote:

The rest of the 1st Airborne began their withdrawal on the night of D+8 (the 25th of September) and the movement continued through the early morning hours of the 26th, from their 'thumb shaped' perimeter in and around Oosterbeek.  About 300 members who could not be evacuated surrendered that day, marking the 'official' end to the operation.

So they did then make it to D+9 technically?

panzerguy wrote:

Huxy wrote: And disastermaster, that part is true The german really have his cheek to the ground when he get's the reply...     And yeah, looking forward to the Horch aswell      You mean Panzerguy. I know are avatars look similar, Mine is Robert Shaw as Hessler and Steves is Otto Alberty as the Tiger commander in Kellys Heros.    I had read that the encounter was base on fact just wasnt sure if the dialog was the actual words used.

Panzerguy.. haha.. Stop nitpicking!   I just quickly observed the avatar and tought disastermaster.. Sorry.. won't happen again..

But, there is one fault with the dialog. I'm not good with names (As you just noticed) so I'll explain..

When the German comes and asks, one British (Leaning on something) tells the chap with the umbrella to tell the german to "Tell him to go to hell." Then the chap with the umbrella turns towards the German and goes on like "We do not have the proper facilities to take you all prisoners. I'm sorry!"

But in real life, when the filmed, the veteran who on the film says "Tell him to go to hell" (That would be the actor saying it, but the veteran of the real life soldier was there when they filmed). The veteran tought it would look stupid if "he" said it, so the other guy got to say it. That's the only change they did I know

If the words are exact, I rather doubt it. Who remembers what's being said in a war? But it is something along the lines. And here I take the opportunity to recreate what's in the movie by my memory.. Let's see how close I get..

"Tell him to go to hell."

"We do not have the proper facilities to take you all prisoners. I'm sorry!"

Stunned German replies after a while: "What??"

"I'm terribly sorry, but as much as we'd love to, we cannot accept your surrender! ........   Was there anything else?"

How close was I?

And Manny and bbrowniii, thanks for the info!

Here's the scene of in question

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Li65P_3lvM

Anthony Hopkins played Col Frost. The real Col Frost was a technical advisor for the film. The umbrella carrying officer is actually a composite charecter of two officers in 2 Para. In the film he is shown dying, however he (the one who called upon the Germans to surrender) actually survived the war. The book the movie is based on is a superb read.

psstoff995 wrote:

panzerguy wrote: I had read that the encounter was base on fact just wasnt sure if the dialog was the actual words used. lol Clint Eastwood had to "cool" it up I'm sure

hahaha oh! I was a little skeptical, but I figured you guys knew what you were talking about- I thought you were talking about the encounter with the German TC from Kelly’s Heros at the end of the movie... that’s what I was like

But yeah. A Bridge Too Far is an excellent film.
 

psstoff995 wrote:

bbrowniii wrote: The rest of the 1st Airborne began their withdrawal on the night of D+8 (the 25th of September) and the movement continued through the early morning hours of the 26th, from their 'thumb shaped' perimeter in and around Oosterbeek.  About 300 members who could not be evacuated surrendered that day, marking the 'official' end to the operation. So they did then make it to D+9 technically?

Yeah, technically.  And, remember, the Americans were still fighing around Nijmegan - the front kind of stabalized around there, so the 'end' of Market-Garden was more administrative than actual.

Mansteins revenge wrote:

The Polish Parachute Brigade was dropped towards th end of the battle near Driel on the other side of the Rhine to help out the besieged units in Ooosterbeek, but since they were on the opposite side of the river they did little good...other than help survivors cross the river into British lines...

Yup... and the British 1st Airborne basically ceased to exist after Arnhem.  Only about 2200 got out.  If I recall, the unit did not see any more action for the duration of the war.

bbrowniii wrote:

so the 'end' of Market-Garden was more administrative than actual.

Ah yes that's right, time to cut the losses and try again. Thanks for the history Manny and bbrowniii- sorry to derail the thread Tango