DITCY Part 2 *update 9-19*

ygmodeler4 wrote:

ahh, ok, I'll have to watch it again. It makes sense and I knew you could put a sling on it...I'd just never seen it thats all. Now lets get those figures painted so we can delight in the master painting of you Manny.

zokissima wrote:

Even at this early stage, I love the layout of this dio.

The layout will be very similar with Part One: three US figs, a building, a dead German and a vehicle...however, there will be one "surprise" element and some new techniques to depict bullets flying!

camo junkie wrote:

manny, looks like we're competing for top spot here...(not that im competing with ANYONE)! didnt really want to comment on this one until i saw the figures painted but...what the hell. their poses are incedible. if they were modern it would be more the look i am trying to give my dio. you can feel they're sense of urgency! not that i want them (im not a ww2 guy), but who makes them? and its hard to tell are the resin or plastic?

im surprised really. tamiya figs (as you said) are really pretty worthless. at least the ones that come with their kits. these look good though. and i agree, with a nice paint job no one will really be able to tell anyway that they're tamiya!!

was just looking at you guy standing up firing his m1...im by no means trying to come down on you i think the detail you added is really good...and perhaps you meant this as only for the pics...(again not a ww2 guy) but it looks like his sling is placed farther back than it should be. i say that because looking at the pic the loop is shown up front but you have the sling farther back. again manny i like your work whether ww2 or not...just thought i'd mention it in case you didnt see it! btw, speaking of the slings...is that brass?? did ya cut it yourself? its a nice idea is all!

Manny,

Really like what you have going on here. Hope its not too late, I was just going to add that the sling on the MG looks like it weighs a TON. The guy to running his arse off, but the sling is hanging dead straight down. I'd just add a little "bounce" to it .... IMO of course.

Again, nice job with these. The PE details add a lot for the action feel.

camo junkie wrote:

was just looking at you guy standing up firing his m1...im by no means trying to come down on you i think the detail you added is really good...and perhaps you meant this as only for the pics...(again not a ww2 guy) but it looks like his sling is placed farther back than it should be. i say that because looking at the pic the loop is shown up front but you have the sling farther back.

The Dragon M1's have the actual attachement points for the slings molded on the rifles...I used that one Tamiya rifle because of the cool grenade launcher on it---maybe the sling on the butt is a bit farther back and I can adjust it...

These are the WIP figs from DITCY...the last pic shows a fig with a real, working M1 brass sling as HVH describes (although I disagree that the front attachment is near the bayonet lug):

These are the WIP figs from DITCY...the last pic shows a fig with a real, working M1 brass sling as HVH describes (although I disagree that the front attachment is near the bayonet lug)

Hans von Hammer wrote:

These are the WIP figs from DITCY...the last pic shows a fig with a real, working M1 brass sling as HVH describes (although I disagree that the front attachment is near the bayonet lug)

camo junkie wrote:

thanks manny. like i said...my knowledge of said items/ww2 is very very limited!! didnt want to imply it was wrong...my curiousity just got the better of me!

No problem---that's one of the reasons I am on the Forum---to learn!!! No one knows everything!

Hans von Hammer wrote:

These are the WIP figs from DITCY...the last pic shows a fig with a real, working M1 brass sling as HVH describes (although I disagree that the front attachment is near the bayonet lug)

Looking GREAT especially the slings!  Now I have to ask you this question... were those made from scratch or can I buy them somewhere?  I don't think I will ever make those as good as yours. 

What happened to that cute dog?  Doog would have loved it!

deafpanzer wrote:

Looking GREAT especially the slings!  Now I have to ask you this question... were those made from scratch or can I buy them somewhere?  I don't think I will ever make those as good as yours.  What happened to that cute dog?  Doog would have loved it!

Grimmo wrote:

looking great manny! cant wait to see more! the figures look very dynamic, lots of movement, and leads to a folw in the dio. very good!

calvin_ng wrote:

MR i hope you havent started painting the BAR fig yet looks to me youve got the bipod on top of the gun when it should be attached at the bottom. other than that the figs looks really good with all that detailing.

Check out the pic I edited into my post prior to yours from Wikipedia...the lug you think is for the sling is for stacking rifles into a tripod...

   I didn't use Wiki 'cept for a pic... I used my 30 years in the Army, dozens of parades with M-1s, and FM 22-5...  Sling swivels are for slings... Stacking arms requires the use of the sling on one weapon to support the muzzles of two other weapons in the tripod... Subsequent weapons are stacked loose.

Hans von Hammer wrote:

Check out the pic I edited into my post prior to yours from Wikipedia...the lug you think is for the sling is for stacking rifles into a tripod...    I didn't use Wiki 'cept for a pic... I used my 30 years in the Army, dozens of parades with M-1s, and FM 22-5...  Sling swivels are for slings... Stacking arms requires the use of the sling on one weapon to support the muzzles of two other weapons in the tripod... Subsequent weapons are stacked loose.

Manny

Hans is right on this one - those are both sling swivels.

As far as the bipod goes, I think you are right in that the bipod should wrap around the barrel, but you have not put it on that way.  By the looks of it, DML should have had a hole drilled through the top part of that bipod so it would slip onto the end of the barrel.  Check out this link to see what I am talking about - what you have going across the top is actually what should be wrapped around the barrel:

 http://www.nicolausassociates.com/images/Poster-BAR-22X34-300dpi-Reduced.jpg

The way the bipod is currently mounted it masks the front site post...

bbrowniii wrote:

Hans von Hammer wrote: Check out the pic I edited into my post prior to yours from Wikipedia...the lug you think is for the sling is for stacking rifles into a tripod...    I didn't use Wiki 'cept for a pic... I used my 30 years in the Army, dozens of parades with M-1s, and FM 22-5...  Sling swivels are for slings... Stacking arms requires the use of the sling on one weapon to support the muzzles of two other weapons in the tripod... Subsequent weapons are stacked loose. Manny Hans is right on this one - those are both sling swivels. As far as the bipod goes, I think you are right in that the bipod should wrap around the barrel, but you have not put it on that way.  By the looks of it, DML should have had a hole drilled through the top part of that bipod so it would slip onto the end of the barrel.  Check out this link to see what I am talking about - what you have going across the top is actually what should be wrapped around the barrel:  http://www.nicolausassociates.com/images/Poster-BAR-22X34-300dpi-Reduced.jpg The way the bipod is currently mounted it masks the front site post...

As far as the M1 goes, if what you and HVH say is true, then everyone is right---the sling could go through either bracket, and I chose the lower one, but I must say all of my refs point to the one lower down being used to secure the sling...

As far as the bipod, I don't know; I'm no expert on US small arms but the DML instructions were pretty clear in how to assemble it...I also had the Tamiya BAR as an option to use and much of the detail on the DML BAR was absent on the Tamiya one, particularly when it came to the bipod and mount...Either way, it is academic to me as "it looks like a BAR" in the context on the dio, and as I have always said, I takle pics of my stuff closer than anyone in here and challenge anyone to photograph their dios to the same close level of scrutiny as I do when it comes to figs, etc...Having said that, there is an easy fix in shaving down part of it if I can find a pic of the "correct" mount... 

Mansteins revenge wrote:

bbrowniii wrote:  Hans von Hammer wrote: Check out the pic I edited into my post prior to yours from Wikipedia...the lug you think is for the sling is for stacking rifles into a tripod...    I didn't use Wiki 'cept for a pic... I used my 30 years in the Army, dozens of parades with M-1s, and FM 22-5...  Sling swivels are for slings... Stacking arms requires the use of the sling on one weapon to support the muzzles of two other weapons in the tripod... Subsequent weapons are stacked loose. Manny Hans is right on this one - those are both sling swivels. As far as the bipod goes, I think you are right in that the bipod should wrap around the barrel, but you have not put it on that way.  By the looks of it, DML should have had a hole drilled through the top part of that bipod so it would slip onto the end of the barrel.  Check out this link to see what I am talking about - what you have going across the top is actually what should be wrapped around the barrel:  http://www.nicolausassociates.com/images/Poster-BAR-22X34-300dpi-Reduced.jpg The way the bipod is currently mounted it masks the front site post... As far as the M1 goes, if what you and HVH say is true, then everyone is right---the sling could go through either bracket, and I chose the lower one, but I must say all of my refs point to the one lower down being used to secure the sling... As far as the bipod, I don't know; I'm no expert on US small arms but the DML instructions were pretty clear in how to assemble it...I also had the Tamiya BAR as an option to use and much of the detail on the DML BAR was absent on the Tamiya one, particularly when it came to the bipod and mount...Either way, it is academic to me as "it looks like a BAR" in the context on the dio, and as I have always said, I takle pics of my stuff closer than anyone in here and challenge anyone to photograph their dios to the same close level of scrutiny as I do when it comes to figs, etc...Having said that, there is an easy fix in shaving down part of it if I can find a pic of the "correct" mount...

Manny

Yeah, I'm with you that it does not really matter which sling swivel you used, and it does look like that one was used most often...

As far as a pic of the correct mount...  Did the link I posted not work?  If not, try a google search for Browning Automatic Rifle and click on the Images tab.  You'll find plenty of good pics.

Mansteins revenge wrote:

Either way, it is academic to me as "it looks like a BAR" in the context on the dio, and as I have always said, I takle pics of my stuff closer than anyone in here and challenge anyone to photograph their dios to the same close level of scrutiny as I do when it comes to figs, etc...

I don't quite understand this response.  You seem ticked off a little.  Isn't one of the reasons you take such detailed pics to show off the detail?  Isn't one of the reasons we all post work here to get feedback and constructive criticism?  Isn't it a benefit of this site that, since you freely admitted that you are not an expert on US small arms that some people who are more familiar are willing to offer some suggestions?

At the crux of it, it seems to me if you are going to post such detailed pics to show off your precision, you should expect and appreciate critique that are intended to help you make your details even more precise.  We're just tryin' to help...

If I am reading you wrong on this, accept my humble apologies...

Mansteins revenge wrote:

bbrowniii wrote:  Hans von Hammer wrote: Check out the pic I edited into my post prior to yours from Wikipedia...the lug you think is for the sling is for stacking rifles into a tripod...    I didn't use Wiki 'cept for a pic... I used my 30 years in the Army, dozens of parades with M-1s, and FM 22-5...  Sling swivels are for slings... Stacking arms requires the use of the sling on one weapon to support the muzzles of two other weapons in the tripod... Subsequent weapons are stacked loose. Manny Hans is right on this one - those are both sling swivels. As far as the bipod goes, I think you are right in that the bipod should wrap around the barrel, but you have not put it on that way.  By the looks of it, DML should have had a hole drilled through the top part of that bipod so it would slip onto the end of the barrel.  Check out this link to see what I am talking about - what you have going across the top is actually what should be wrapped around the barrel:  http://www.nicolausassociates.com/images/Poster-BAR-22X34-300dpi-Reduced.jpg The way the bipod is currently mounted it masks the front site post... As far as the M1 goes, if what you and HVH say is true, then everyone is right---the sling could go through either bracket, and I chose the lower one, but I must say all of my refs point to the one lower down being used to secure the sling... As far as the bipod, I don't know; I'm no expert on US small arms but the DML instructions were pretty clear in how to assemble it...I also had the Tamiya BAR as an option to use and much of the detail on the DML BAR was absent on the Tamiya one, particularly when it came to the bipod and mount...Either way, it is academic to me as "it looks like a BAR" in the context on the dio, and as I have always said, I takle pics of my stuff closer than anyone in here and challenge anyone to photograph their dios to the same close level of scrutiny as I do when it comes to figs, etc...Having said that, there is an easy fix in shaving down part of it if I can find a pic of the "correct" mount...

Check where the slings are from this Volstad boxart:

Mansteins revenge wrote:

Mansteins revenge wrote:  bbrowniii wrote:  Hans von Hammer wrote: Check out the pic I edited into my post prior to yours from Wikipedia...the lug you think is for the sling is for stacking rifles into a tripod...    I didn't use Wiki 'cept for a pic... I used my 30 years in the Army, dozens of parades with M-1s, and FM 22-5...  Sling swivels are for slings... Stacking arms requires the use of the sling on one weapon to support the muzzles of two other weapons in the tripod... Subsequent weapons are stacked loose. Manny Hans is right on this one - those are both sling swivels. As far as the bipod goes, I think you are right in that the bipod should wrap around the barrel, but you have not put it on that way.  By the looks of it, DML should have had a hole drilled through the top part of that bipod so it would slip onto the end of the barrel.  Check out this link to see what I am talking about - what you have going across the top is actually what should be wrapped around the barrel:  http://www.nicolausassociates.com/images/Poster-BAR-22X34-300dpi-Reduced.jpg The way the bipod is currently mounted it masks the front site post... As far as the M1 goes, if what you and HVH say is true, then everyone is right---the sling could go through either bracket, and I chose the lower one, but I must say all of my refs point to the one lower down being used to secure the sling... As far as the bipod, I don't know; I'm no expert on US small arms but the DML instructions were pretty clear in how to assemble it...I also had the Tamiya BAR as an option to use and much of the detail on the DML BAR was absent on the Tamiya one, particularly when it came to the bipod and mount...Either way, it is academic to me as "it looks like a BAR" in the context on the dio, and as I have always said, I takle pics of my stuff closer than anyone in here and challenge anyone to photograph their dios to the same close level of scrutiny as I do when it comes to figs, etc...Having said that, there is an easy fix in shaving down part of it if I can find a pic of the "correct" mount...  EDIT: Check where the slings are from this Volstad boxart:

I think that maybe that big blob that looks like it is obstructing the sight, IS the sight...maybe it needs drilled out?

Mansteins revenge wrote:

Mansteins revenge wrote:  bbrowniii wrote:  Hans von Hammer wrote: Check out the pic I edited into my post prior to yours from Wikipedia...the lug you think is for the sling is for stacking rifles into a tripod...    I didn't use Wiki 'cept for a pic... I used my 30 years in the Army, dozens of parades with M-1s, and FM 22-5...  Sling swivels are for slings... Stacking arms requires the use of the sling on one weapon to support the muzzles of two other weapons in the tripod... Subsequent weapons are stacked loose. Manny Hans is right on this one - those are both sling swivels. As far as the bipod goes, I think you are right in that the bipod should wrap around the barrel, but you have not put it on that way.  By the looks of it, DML should have had a hole drilled through the top part of that bipod so it would slip onto the end of the barrel.  Check out this link to see what I am talking about - what you have going across the top is actually what should be wrapped around the barrel:  http://www.nicolausassociates.com/images/Poster-BAR-22X34-300dpi-Reduced.jpg The way the bipod is currently mounted it masks the front site post... As far as the M1 goes, if what you and HVH say is true, then everyone is right---the sling could go through either bracket, and I chose the lower one, but I must say all of my refs point to the one lower down being used to secure the sling... As far as the bipod, I don't know; I'm no expert on US small arms but the DML instructions were pretty clear in how to assemble it...I also had the Tamiya BAR as an option to use and much of the detail on the DML BAR was absent on the Tamiya one, particularly when it came to the bipod and mount...Either way, it is academic to me as "it looks like a BAR" in the context on the dio, and as I have always said, I takle pics of my stuff closer than anyone in here and challenge anyone to photograph their dios to the same close level of scrutiny as I do when it comes to figs, etc...Having said that, there is an easy fix in shaving down part of it if I can find a pic of the "correct" mount...  EDIT: Check where the slings are from this Volstad boxart:

Manny

I don't know about Hans, but I am not arguing with your sling placement - it's fine.  I was just commenting that the thing in front is a swivel. 

I mean, if you want to have a debate over nomenclature, technically, the M1 Garand does not have a 'sling swivel'... but I don't think that discussion contributes at all to the work you are doing this dio, so I'm gonna shelve it...

Mansteins revenge wrote:

I think that maybe that big blob that looks like it is obstructing the sight, IS the sight...maybe it needs drilled out?

Definately a possibility - I don't have that figgie set, so I couldn't tell ya, but if there is no front site 'molded' onto the top of the BAR, perhaps.

Another possibility is, as I look at the pic of the guy with the BAR, it looks like there is a slight half moon depression on the top of the bipod.  Is it possible that they have molded the top half of the bipod mount onto the BAR already, and the bipod legs mount underneath to 'complete the circle' as it were?  Like I said, I don't have this figure set, so I have no idea what the instuctions indicate...