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1/48 B-25 Group Build! All Invited to Join!

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Monday, September 5, 2011 1:04 AM

Might wanna send that in to the Reader Tips before some unsrcrupuled bassige does it after reading the shared info here...   It's happened to me... Someone gets paid for a tip I FREELY gave up...

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Posted by hutchdh on Monday, September 5, 2011 6:10 AM

I just may do that...thanks...

Hutch

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Posted by icer22x on Monday, September 5, 2011 4:51 PM

Here is the inside of mine so far. No laughing!

Had to do the bombs in enamel. Waiting for Tamiya to get their colors shipped back in. I'd appreciate it if someone could post a picture of their fuselage at this step. I'm pretty stuck and don't know what I should add/fix (paint-wise).

Also... how in the world do you deal with seams like this so close to rivet detail? As you can see, I am masking off the detail and going to try and get some putty in there... I hope the tape prevents me from sanding it all away.

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Posted by hutchdh on Monday, September 5, 2011 5:02 PM

Icer22x...take a look at page nine of this thread at my solution to the very same problem...it seems to work.  Hans suggested I send my Tip into FSM to may be publishes in a future issue....and I did just that this afternoon.  Hint...I found a way to effectively use acrylic caulk.....let me know what you think.

Hutch

Hutch

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Posted by icer22x on Monday, September 5, 2011 5:55 PM

Yeah I saw that Hutch! Where can I get acrylic caulk? Any hardware store? I will go ahead and guess that since it's caulk, when it hardens there is no need for sanding? How do you get it fully flush? Just hope it dries like that?

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Posted by hutchdh on Monday, September 5, 2011 5:58 PM

I just applied a healthy amount and wet the ole finger and glided it along the seam.  The shape of your finger gives it the necessary angle.  One of my seams shrunk a little...all I had to do was reapply. 

I picked the caulk up at Home Depot.  That is where you can find the one I used.  You shouldn't have to sand.  Stay away from the silicone stuff, though.

Hutch

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Posted by hutchdh on Monday, September 5, 2011 5:58 PM

Hans von Hammer

Might wanna send that in to the Reader Tips before some unsrcrupuled bassige does it after reading the shared info here...   It's happened to me... Someone gets paid for a tip I FREELY gave up...

Done!!!!

Hutch

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Posted by troublemaker66 on Monday, September 5, 2011 6:29 PM

Stay away from the silicone stuff, though.

[/quote]What exactly kind of caulk did you use and why can`t you use silicone if you shouldn`t need to sand?

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Posted by hutchdh on Monday, September 5, 2011 6:48 PM

Go with the acrylic caulk...the silicone usually does not take paint well.....I am talking about the stuff that has a lot of silicone in it as more of a sealer vice caulk.

Hutch

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Posted by icer22x on Monday, September 5, 2011 7:11 PM

What do you use to wipe off unneeded excess? Wet paper towel? I just picked some up here - can't wait to try it. I HATE puttys with a passion. HATE them.

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Posted by troublemaker66 on Monday, September 5, 2011 7:14 PM

hutchdh

Go with the acrylic caulk...the silicone usually does not take paint well.....I am talking about the stuff that has a lot of silicone in it as more of a sealer vice caulk.

Cool...that`s what I have..bought a case of DAP "painter`s all purpose acrylic latex caulk"...purchased at the Home Despot...Big Smile I don`t know how many times I thought about using caulk for model seams and just never tried it...thanks for taking that step Hutch..lol.

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Posted by troublemaker66 on Monday, September 5, 2011 7:25 PM

icer22x

What do you use to wipe off unneeded excess? Wet paper towel? I just picked some up here - can't wait to try it. I HATE puttys with a passion. HATE them.

....Yep!

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Posted by hutchdh on Monday, September 5, 2011 7:27 PM

icer22x

What do you use to wipe off unneeded excess? Wet paper towel? I just picked some up here - can't wait to try it. I HATE puttys with a passion. HATE them.

Anything wet will wipe it up very easy.......it is very forgiving....a damp paper towel works well...so does a Q-tip...make sure the applicator is damp vice dripping wet.

Good luck....

Hutch

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Posted by Reasoned on Monday, September 5, 2011 8:53 PM

First, DO NOT use silicone for it will not take paint.  Secondly, as Hutch said use a damp finger (smallest is best) and apply in joint, remove as much excess as you can, then let it set a few minutes (don't let it dry out) and gently go over with damp paper towel to remove any additional excess.  You will want to do this because this stuff does not do sanding well, it tends to ball up.

Oh, and since this has been the build from hell, I've nixed the Alclad NMF for left over Model Masters Metalizer from a rattle can. Why? because there is no sense in waisting the expensive stuff on this.  I hope to begin shooting after signing off.  And if it goes as bad, I will plan on attaching one of my son's Estes "E" rocket engins to the Mitchel and send it off in style! Angel

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Posted by Reasoned on Monday, September 5, 2011 10:59 PM

Okay, shot the MM NMF, now high as a kite Propeller.  Boy does that stuff show sins.  Will attempt to clean things up tomorrow and post some pics, over and out Sleep

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Posted by VanceCrozier on Tuesday, September 6, 2011 7:44 AM

troublemaker66

 

 hutchdh:

 

Go with the acrylic caulk...the silicone usually does not take paint well.....I am talking about the stuff that has a lot of silicone in it as more of a sealer vice caulk.

 

Cool...that`s what I have..bought a case of DAP "painter`s all purpose acrylic latex caulk"...purchased at the Home Despot...Big Smile I don`t know how many times I thought about using caulk for model seams and just never tried it...thanks for taking that step Hutch..lol.

 

The silicone stuff would be a bugger to deal with too at scale-model-size, along with not taking paint it dries quicker than the acrylic & doesn't clean up as nice.

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Tuesday, September 6, 2011 8:41 AM

hutchdh

 Hans von Hammer:

Might wanna send that in to the Reader Tips before some unsrcrupuled bassige does it after reading the shared info here...   It's happened to me... Someone gets paid for a tip I FREELY gave up...

 

Done!!!!

Atta boy...

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Posted by Texgunner on Tuesday, September 6, 2011 8:43 AM

My old painter Uncle Elzy used to say, "ain't nothing new boy!" Big Smile

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Posted by Reasoned on Tuesday, September 6, 2011 9:21 AM

Well Tex, you were ahead of your time and spot on, thanks for the reference. Beer

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Tuesday, September 6, 2011 9:52 AM

Probably means I could dig up that tip in something like a 1979 issue of Military Modeler too, lol...

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Posted by Texgunner on Tuesday, September 6, 2011 9:57 AM

Hans von Hammer

Probably means I could dig up that tip in something like a 1979 issue of Military Modeler too, lol...

Yeah no doubt.  Prolly some other old painter figured that one out a long time ago.  Prolly closed up some gaps in an old Tiger...Wink


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Posted by hutchdh on Tuesday, September 6, 2011 10:03 AM

Aw shucks...another example of me having no original ideas....so says my wife...Stick out tongue

Look at it as a refresher. 

Hutch

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Posted by Texgunner on Tuesday, September 6, 2011 10:16 AM

hutchdh

Look at it as a refresher. 

That's the ticket!  At my age anyway, refreshers are always good.  Remind me what? lol!

Gary


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Posted by Reasoned on Tuesday, September 6, 2011 2:44 PM

Did a little B-25 research and came across this You Tube Vid, the props are FREAKING ME OUT! Indifferent

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-Dm-fjUm6U

 

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Posted by VanceCrozier on Tuesday, September 6, 2011 3:06 PM

Wow, that's funny. Just the way the "frames per second" on the camera syncs up with the propeller speed. It justifies us showing a prop-plane in-flight without prop-blur though!!

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Posted by troublemaker66 on Tuesday, September 6, 2011 4:06 PM

Reasoned

Did a little B-25 research and came across this You Tube Vid, the props are FREAKING ME OUT! Indifferent

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-Dm-fjUm6U

 

That`s "Panchito"...seen that one up close a couple times. I have some vids with props doing the same thing..something with the speed of  the camera or somethin`...

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Posted by psstoff995's lbro on Tuesday, September 6, 2011 8:39 PM

Really nice looking build there! I've always wanted to do a natural metal build.

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Posted by icer22x on Tuesday, September 6, 2011 11:41 PM

I was lucky enough to see a B-25 in flight at Little Rock AFB last year. Amazing planes. They also did a re-enactment of Pearl Harbor with REAL Zeros (the actual planes used in Tora! Tora! Tora!). I have to say - for a 25 year-old USAF applicant - it was pretty powerful to sit there and watch a few planes do that - even knowing I was completely safe.

ANYWAY - on to why I am posting tonight. I don't know if you guys have read into the B-25J, but I found some awesome finished kits and good info here:

http://modelingmadness.com/reviews/allies/us/usaaf/48b25.htm

VERY interesting. The B-25s talked about in this article were flown to Corsica after the eruption of Mt. Vesuvius and were RE-PAINTED over their aluminum bodies with OD (or the Euro equivalent) to camouflage them from bombing raids.

Now, if you look on the front of the box for our kits, you can see the bottom half of the Mitchell is a shade of what should be aluminum. I wonder of it is making reference to these Corsica Mitchells... even thought it's a J.

I'm curious if anyone is going to try and go for this paint scheme. It might look weird to have an OD top with a aluminum bottom... but that is technically what happened to that squadron!

What do you guys use in your airbrushes to get that aluminum fuselage look? Lacquer?

Also found this for you guys that are going ALL OUT and adding rivets and panel lines:

http://www.primeportal.net/hangar/mark_hayward/b-25j_mitchell/index.php?Page=1

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Posted by troublemaker66 on Wednesday, September 7, 2011 4:58 AM

[quote user="icer22x"]

I was lucky enough to see a B-25 in flight at Little Rock AFB last year. Amazing planes. They also did a re-enactment of Pearl Harbor with REAL Zeros (the actual planes used in Tora! Tora! Tora!).

Unfortunately, those Zeros are not real, they are T-6 trainers made to look like the real deal. The Vals they used in the movie were B-18`s I think....saw one at the Milleville airshow.

 

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Wednesday, September 7, 2011 8:49 AM

The Vals they used in the movie were B-18`s I think....

BT-13s..

The CAF Tora Squadron operates the Vals, Kates, and Zekes... There's also the one authentic Zeke airframe we have as well, although it's been re-engined with a P&W mill..

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