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1/48 Hasegawa P-38 Robin Olds 479th FG "Scat II"

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1/48 Hasegawa P-38 Robin Olds 479th FG "Scat II"
Posted by lawdog114 on Tuesday, April 16, 2013 12:15 PM

Hello, here's my example of what the German folk called  "Der Gabelshwanz Teufel", or "Forked Tail devil".  Its done in the markings of Robin Olds 479th FG P-38J. Olds was a 12 kill ace and on August 25th 1944, he actually shot down a 109 in this very plane while in glide mode.  He was closing in on the 109 and both his engines quit because he forgot to flip the switches to the other fuel tanks. He gave the 109 a belly full of lead anyways which then sent it down in flames.  He then restarted his engines and continued about his business.  Its stories like this that inspire me to build certain subjects.  Anyways, here are some WIP and completed pics of the Hasegawa P-38J I built for the Twin Boom Group build.  Since not everyone follows the GB's, I figured there would be enough interest in the subject to post it here. 

The Hasegawa P-38 is no walk in the park, but by no means unbuildable either.  With a little sanding here, rescribing there, patience and some good old fashioned modeling skills, it makes into a fairly nice P-38.  I built the Pro Modeler (Hasegawa mold) G last year (Rex Barber's mount...elsewhere on the forum) so I had a pretty good idea how to tackle this thing.  I'm also hoping that this build will inspire others to try this kit.  I was able to avoid alot of the mistakes I made last time and I pointed them out as I went.  I used a True Details cockpit Ultracast wheels, Quickboost gun barrels, and Kits World Decals for Olds markings.  I found the decals to be a rip off. For the price, they should have come with more than just the plane specific stuff (more ranting here later). Well, lets dig in.

I started with the True Details Cockpit.  Its definitely an improvement over the kit parts.  I like TD because they are nicely detailed and cheap.  Truthfully I don't know how Aires stays in business while TD is around.  Maybe I'm just a cheapskate.  Anyways, It took me about an hour just to saw the pour stub off the bottom of the pit (lot of cussing).  Once done removing all the stubs, I began test fitting the pit to the plane.

I recalled an issue I had on the G with the back glass canopy not fitting right over the headrest.  I was able to get the pit to fit beautifully, but once it came time to attach the canopies, the armor plate top prevented the canopy from sitting properly.  I had to unfortunately shave off quite a bit of the head rest to fix this.  This time around I test fitted the pit with the glass taped in place and carved plastic and resin until everything fit as intended (darn resin).

Once I was satisfied that all would fit properly, I commenced to painting the cockpit and instrument panel were painted in XF1 Flat Black.  The pit was then painted with Gunze Aqueous Interior Green.   I then pick out the various boxes with XF-69 Nato Black.  I painted the O2 hose XF-61 Deep Green and the seat belts XF-57 Buff mixed with XF-49 Khaki.  Silver details were picked out with a silver Sharpie.  I added some red and yellow on various buttons to add interest.  I then drybrushed everything with Floquil Old Silver.  Once done, it was sprayed with Testor's Gloss coat and after about an hour, it was washed with "The Detailer" wash.  A quick blast with Testor's Dull coat and it was done.  Here's how it turned out.

It was then time to assemble the cockpit and add it to the upper fuselage/pod half.  After another test fit to make sure everything fit, I super-glued it in place.  The P-38 is a tail sitter so you can either use the kit provided clear rod to prop the tail  up, or weight is needed in the nose.  I opted for the latter and used a fishing weight epoxied into the roof of the gun chamber.

Onward towards construction.  Lets face it, there's really no easy way to build this airframe.  Alot of it is just Kelly's Johnson's unique design which isn't easy to duplicate in plastic.  That aside, the fit is just downright bad in certain areas, most notably where the booms meet the upper wing by the supercharger and the seams on the side of the gun access panels to the wing root.  I can only compare the latter it to assembling the engine nacelles on the Monogram B-17 (for those who've built that).  That said though, if you dry-fit, do a little chopping here and filling there, alot of the issues can be dealt with.  Here's how I did it:

1.  First I closed the pilot/gun center pod and sealed it with Tenax, my glue of choice.  Sorry, but I forgot to take pictures of this process here but I'll explain it thoroughly. Its pretty much modeling 101.  The pod closes like a clamshell with a seam that starts at the nose and goes all the way through to the wingroot.  The resulting seem here is pretty bad and will need alot of sanding and filling.  Once all glue was dry, preferably overnight, I masked off as much detail as possible then used 180 grit paper in the seam.  I like Tamiya's sandpaper.  This is a nice course grit and evens things out quickly. Follow it with 320 grit which starts to smooth it out

2.  I then run over the seam with a silver Sharpie.  This works like a charm and reveals any seam issues.  Actually, I use this trick on all my builds.  I then fix gaps or holes with super and accelerator. Then sand flush.  Repeat as necessary.

3.  Once satisfied, I rescribed any lost detail.  On this guy, I ended up rescribing the gun access panels because they were fairly soft anyways.   

Its now time assemble the booms and add the "J" version inserts.  Just like Hasegawa P-40 series, the plugs dont fall on panel lines so there was alot of sanding and filling. It was just a matter of "precision" sanding using the above process.  The panel lines on belly of the engines were soft too and needed rescribed.  I then added the gear bay guts and then attach the booms to the pod.

Now for some pictures.  Here is where most of the alignment problems with the Hasegawa P-38 start.  Thye culprit is the landing gear box rear roof and sidesThis is what it looks like from the top and where most of the boom alighment problems start.

Now...I'm convinced the green circled area (below) is where the fit problems start.  The piece indicated by the red arrow in the second picture seems to be the main culprit.

The remedy?  Well, I just sanded out as much of this plastic as I could then chopped quite a bit off the plastic indicated by the red arrow (both sides of boom) with an Exacto knife.  Now the booms sat as intended.  Don't get me wrong, the area will still need lots of the above outlined sanding and some rescribing, (4 hours worth to give an estimate) but at least the crooked boom problem will be solved.

The rest of it went together in typical Hasegawa fashion. 

The version of Olds Plane I decided on carried the Invasion stripes.  Here's how I do mine.  I preshaded all the panel lines with Flat Black (XF-1) then sprayed the area where the stripes would go with Flat White (XF-2).  Since there will be alot of taping, I cut this with Tamiya Lacquer thinner for extra bite.

I then sprayed the black stripes with Flat Black (XF-1).  For this I cut the black with 91% Isopropyl since it dries almost immediately on contact which alleviates the possibility of bleed under.  Try it...it works.  These were then taped off.  The rudders were sprayed XF-7 Flat Red and taped off.

After taping off the black stripes, It was then time for the Neutral Grey bottom.  I took XF-53 Neutral Grey and added a bit of XF-2 Flat White for scale (Tamiya's Neutral Grey just seems a bit dark to me).  I then lightened it more and added condensation streaks along the bottom from front to back.  I use low pressure and high speed.

Once I was satisfied with the effect, I went back with a diluted mixture of XF-69 NATO Black and XF-64 Red Brown and highlighted some panel lines.  This is done now then it will be done again later to add depth to the paint.

I used Blue Tac rolled up into worms to mask off the demarcation lines.  This stuff works great for this task and leaves a nice feathered edge.  Since the diagram on the Kit's World sheet is so small (sigh), I used the instruction sheet's drab bird as a rough reference. I figured most drab Lightnings were painted the same way.

This was my first experience with Gunze Aqueous Olive Drab.  I loved it. Its the perfect balance between green and brown.  I cut it with Tamiya X-20 and it started off a bit translucent but once I got the ratio right, it was like silk.

After streaking effect.  I think this looks about right..

I removed all the tape and here's how she turned out and I was pleased.  No bleed under anywhere.  My paint trick in conjunction with Tamiya tape works everytime.  I added some more post shading and the distinctive supercharger exhaust staining along the booms.  In pictures this looks chalky white.  For this I used diluted Buff XF-57 lightened with a touch of Flat White XF-2.  I then used diluted NATO Black XF-69 and added a few thin streaks from the exhaust pipe to add depth. 

I gave the airframe a coat of Alclad Gloss Coat for decals.  This stuff is great and dries quickly.  You could probably start decaling in few hours but I usually let it cure overnight to be safe......or in other words, forget Future.  The Kits World decals worked well but only a handful were applicable to my subject, the plane specific ones, the "no step" window frame warnings, and the prop logos.  The rest I sourced from an old Superscale sheet.  This burns me, I shouldn't have to do this for what this sheet cost, its just silly (end of Kit's World dig).   Anyways, I'm ready to start assembly. Props are assembled and ready to go too.

Now for some negatives. I had trouble getting the main landing gear doors on.  This is a poor design and they just don't like to stay glued on.  I ultimately used Gorilla super glue and they seem to be holding for now.  Also, the canopies, collectively, are another weak area of the kit.  They just don't fit right.  After fiddling for quite some time with their positioning, I went with "good enough". 

Here's the finished product after a Flory wash and a dusting of Testor's Dull Coat.

          

I suppose I should have grunged it up a bit I've read that Olds was meticulous about his plane(s) and even spent time waxing them with he crew to get a bit more speed out of them.  Anyways, in conclusion, I hope this build thread will inspire some of you guys to yank that Hasegawa P-38 out of the stash and give it whirl. 

Joe

 

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Posted by dcp2798 on Tuesday, April 16, 2013 12:59 PM

That is super nice build. The olive drab looks spot on. The invasion stripes are very impressive! Did Robin Olds fight in the Vietnam War also?

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Posted by Devil Dawg on Tuesday, April 16, 2013 1:16 PM

Great-looking Lightning, Joe! Love it. You mentioned a "Flory" wash in the text. Never heard of that. What is it?

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Posted by Texgunner on Tuesday, April 16, 2013 1:42 PM

Devil Dawg

Great-looking Lightning, Joe! Love it. You mentioned a "Flory" wash in the text. Never heard of that. What is it?

Try here Dawg:

http://www.florymodels.co.uk/weathering-wash/


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Posted by Nathan T on Tuesday, April 16, 2013 1:59 PM

dcp2798

 Did Robin Olds fight in the Vietnam War also?

Yes sir. Ace in Nam too right??

Nice work on a tough kit Joe. Flawless painting everytime.

 

 

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Posted by jeaton01 on Tuesday, April 16, 2013 7:12 PM

Nice build, and very helpful post.

John

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Posted by GMorrison on Tuesday, April 16, 2013 7:31 PM

Very nice. Scat was the nickname of his room mate at West Point, who washed out of flight school. Olds saw to it that he "flew" anyhow.

I think Olds got to Scat XXVII (an F-4C) although I do not think he flew all of the ones in between.

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Posted by Jester75 on Tuesday, April 16, 2013 7:41 PM

Whoa, stunning build Joe!! Absolutely nothing not to like on this one! I just watched the episode of Dogfights the other day about Olds and they talked a fair bit about his powerless kill. Pretty impressive!

Eric

 

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Posted by lawdog114 on Tuesday, April 16, 2013 7:41 PM

Thanks for all the compliments everyone.  GM, thanks for that tidbit of information.  That's clever.  I always wondered where he came up with that name.  I figured it was some sort of nickname or inside joke.  

Joe

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Posted by tomwatkins45 on Tuesday, April 16, 2013 8:10 PM

Robin Olds commanded the 8th TAC Fighter Wing in 1966-67. He was credited with 4Migs shot down. As was typical at that time, he fired a bunch of missiles that didn't work properly and didn't hit.

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Posted by Gamera on Wednesday, April 17, 2013 1:15 PM

That's beautiful Joe! Love everything about her!

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Posted by tomwatkins45 on Wednesday, April 17, 2013 1:34 PM

It is an absolutely beautiful model! The finish is superb.

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Posted by Dre on Wednesday, April 17, 2013 2:46 PM

Lawdog, holy-moly is that SWEET!    It's just awesome from every angle, inside and out.

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Posted by AndrewW on Wednesday, April 17, 2013 3:35 PM

Stunning work, Lawdog.  I would love to be able to paint and finish this nicely.  In Canada, we have 'the History Channel', and they have a show called 'Air Aces'.  A few months back, they ran a show devoted to Olds and his service in Vietnam (yes, Nathan, he was an ace, in fact a double ace - Europe and Vietnam, if I remember correctly), quite an impressive pilot and quite an impressive build.

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Posted by ModelNerd on Wednesday, April 17, 2013 5:07 PM

Very nice work!

- Mark

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Posted by GMorrison on Wednesday, April 17, 2013 5:38 PM

AndrewW

Stunning work, Lawdog.  I would love to be able to paint and finish this nicely.  In Canada, we have 'the History Channel', and they have a show called 'Air Aces'.  A few months back, they ran a show devoted to Olds and his service in Vietnam (yes, Nathan, he was an ace, in fact a double ace - Europe and Vietnam, if I remember correctly), quite an impressive pilot and quite an impressive build.

His autobiography "Fighter Pilot" is a good book. I built Scat II from the Academy 1/72 kit.

He had enough of an edge to him that he never made general officer rank.

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Posted by Tojo72 on Thursday, May 2, 2013 9:22 AM

really outstanding job,love your work on the office.

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Posted by connorMcclain on Thursday, May 2, 2013 10:58 AM

lawdog thats amazing. me and my friend are very impressed! keep it up

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Posted by lawdog114 on Friday, May 24, 2013 9:56 PM

Thanks for the compliments.  Andrew, I eventually intend to read his book too.  

Joe

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Posted by BlackSheepTwoOneFour on Friday, May 24, 2013 10:46 PM

Wow! So simple to use! Do they ship outside the UK?

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Posted by Reasoned on Saturday, May 25, 2013 9:27 AM

Just came across this Joe, all I can say is WOW!  Excellent finish and detail as always.Yes

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Posted by bigfoot01 on Saturday, May 25, 2013 5:01 PM

Awesome work Joe! Very nicely done!

John 

 

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Posted by rangerj on Saturday, May 25, 2013 9:08 PM

IIR the General flew combat in Korea also. (He retired from the USAF at the rank of General). A little known fact is that his daughter was a USAF Academy graduate and was a Captain on assignment in Riad during the 1st gulf war. The building she was working in (or living in - I cannot recall which at the (senior)_moment) was hit by a SCUD missal and she was killed. That is sacrifice. The P-38 is a great build. Thanks for sharing it with us. I intend to do that model in Maj. R I Bongs markings and your narrative is a big help. I did an F-4 in Col. Old's markings.

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Posted by lawdog114 on Saturday, May 25, 2013 9:53 PM

Thanks John.  I appreciate it.  Ranger, this is interesting info and thanks for sharing.  Also, thanks for the compliment and I'm glad you will find use for this thread.  I was hoping it would inspire someone to give this kit a try.  Granted its tricky, but if you know the kit's quirks itsnot that bad.  Please post some pics when you start Bong's P-38.  I'd love to see it    

Joe

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Posted by mic53mlb on Thursday, May 30, 2013 5:02 PM

I was going to say that Olds served in WWII, Korea, and Vietnam but rangerj beat me to it. Great model, I never got around to building a p-38 and this makes me want to.Great Job !!

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Posted by TedsScaleModeling on Thursday, May 30, 2013 8:09 PM

Color me...Inspired!  Thank you for sharing your techniques.  Beautiful job

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Posted by Tal Afar Dave on Wednesday, June 5, 2013 9:00 PM

Great job there, Joe!  Perfect execution of a legendary warrior's mount....My compliments, sir!

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Posted by F-8fanatic on Thursday, June 6, 2013 3:43 AM

Wow, fantastic build!!  

If I may offer one thought to those who would build a P-38, the side windows on the cockpit would not be in the up position on the ground unless the pilot was inside the plane.  Those side windows needed to be rolled down so that the pilot could climb inside.  With them up, the pilot has no way to enter the cockpit.  IIRC, at least one--usually the left side--would be left down, even if the other was up.  Also, if you intend to put a pilot in the aircraft, for dioramas, etc etc, the side windows had to be in the full up position for takeoff--they disturbed the air flow to the tail if they were left open on the takeoff run, and this made it very hard to impossible for the plane to leave the ground.

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Posted by lawdog114 on Friday, June 7, 2013 6:18 PM

Thanks folks for the compliments.  F-8, thats interesting and I didn't think of that.  I may have to go back and cut down the port side window.  It should be easy enough to achieve this.  Was there not a way to button up a P-38 from the outside?

Joe

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Posted by spiralcity on Friday, June 21, 2013 6:09 PM

I love a good P-38 build. Nice job on a great plane.

 

 

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