SEARCH FINESCALE.COM

Enter keywords or a search phrase below:

A tale of two P-40B and P-40E -- COMPLETED !!!!!

9411 views
157 replies
1 rating 2 rating 3 rating 4 rating 5 rating
  • Member since
    June 2014
Posted by BrandonK on Thursday, April 20, 2017 10:19 AM

So I did some reading and searching and found a small thread on a forum where a modeler said he spoke to a P-40 vet and the vet said that you could have a row of identical P-40s and each one would have a different antenna set up. They basically didn't have any hard and fast rule as to what each plane had. He went on to state that he recalled that if the plane had a mast, then it had tail to mast antenna only. If it had no mast then it could have tail to fuselage only and tail to wing tips with tail to fuselage.

I also went to several sites where photos could be found and I found examples of mast and non mast antennas on planes up through the -F variant.

SO, I guess what this tells us is, try to set up your plane to what any photos of IT may show. Otherwise we just don't know for sure how it was set up. Since my plane has no mast, I opted for the wing tip configuation. I could have done the fuselage only and that may have been correct also. In the end, I set it up as that was the look I wanted for this AC. It may not be correct, I'll be the first to admit that, but in the end I can live with that as well.

BK

Edit, quess I found my answer, I guessed correctly. Whew!!

On the bench:

A lot !! And I mean A LOT!!

2024 Kits on deck / in process / completed   

                         14 / 5 / 2  

                              Tongue Tied

  • Member since
    June 2014
Posted by BrandonK on Thursday, April 20, 2017 9:48 AM

lawdog114
Beautiful! Indeed very good question about the antenna. I was unaware that set up extended to the E. It certainly makes it tough to handle.
 

From what I've read the antenna like that were a field upgrade. I'm not at all certain as to why. I'll have to do more research.

And yes, it is all that much more delicate to handle and clean.

Thanks for all the kind words, much appreciated.

BK

On the bench:

A lot !! And I mean A LOT!!

2024 Kits on deck / in process / completed   

                         14 / 5 / 2  

                              Tongue Tied

  • Member since
    November 2003
  • From: Naples, FL
Posted by tempestjohnny on Thursday, April 20, 2017 7:19 AM

Great finish on number 1 BK. 

 

  • Member since
    May 2006
  • From: Chapin, South Carolina
Posted by Shipwreck on Thursday, April 20, 2017 6:40 AM

jeaton01

 

 
BrandonK

That is correct for the -E, the -B needs the rail on the canopy. Near as I can tell it's complete. Besides, it's done and I'm not going back now.

BK

 

 

Looks correct to me, Brandon, here's a close-up:

 

 

Brandon, you sure got that right. I never would have guessed; the canopy must run on that top ridge with a G shaped atachment to hold it in place - clean! And thanks for the photo, John; it went to my P-40 file.

Ben

On the Bench:

Revell 1/96 USS Constitution - rigging

Revell 1/48 B-1B Lancer Prep and research

Trumpeter 1/350 USS Hornet CV-8 Prep and research

 

 

 

  • Member since
    December 2002
  • From: Northern California
Posted by jeaton01 on Wednesday, April 19, 2017 11:24 PM

BrandonK

That is correct for the -E, the -B needs the rail on the canopy. Near as I can tell it's complete. Besides, it's done and I'm not going back now.

BK

Looks correct to me, Brandon, here's a close-up:

John

To see build logs for my models:  http://goldeneramodel.com/mymodels/mymodels.html

 

  • Member since
    February 2012
  • From: Olmsted Township, Ohio
Posted by lawdog114 on Wednesday, April 19, 2017 10:59 PM
Beautiful! Indeed very good question about the antenna. I was unaware that set up extended to the E. It certainly makes it tough to handle.

 "Can you fly this plane and land it?...Surely you can't be serious....I am serious, and don't call me Shirley"

 

 

 

 

  • Member since
    January 2015
  • From: Tumwater, WA.
Posted by M. Brindos on Wednesday, April 19, 2017 10:19 PM

1943Mike

Anyone know why these aircraft needed so much antenna wire?

 

Good question. I too, have often pondered this.

- Mike Brindos "Lost Boy"

  • Member since
    December 2010
  • From: Salem, Oregon
Posted by 1943Mike on Wednesday, April 19, 2017 9:35 PM

That's a really spiffy looking P-40! Great job!

Anyone know why these aircraft needed so much antenna wire?

Mike

"Le temps est un grand maître, mais malheureusement, il tue tous ses élèves."

Hector Berlioz

  • Member since
    March 2015
  • From: Streetsboro, Ohio
Posted by Toshi on Wednesday, April 19, 2017 8:39 PM

That looks awesome sir!  Just a superb build!

Toshi

On The Bench: Revell 1/48 B-25 Mitchell

 

Married to the most caring, loving, understanding, and beautiful wife in the world.  Mrs. Toshi

 

 

  • Member since
    June 2014
Posted by BrandonK on Wednesday, April 19, 2017 8:04 PM

That is correct for the -E, the -B needs the rail on the canopy. Near as I can tell it's complete. Besides, it's done and I'm not going back now.

BK

On the bench:

A lot !! And I mean A LOT!!

2024 Kits on deck / in process / completed   

                         14 / 5 / 2  

                              Tongue Tied

  • Member since
    May 2006
  • From: Chapin, South Carolina
Posted by Shipwreck on Wednesday, April 19, 2017 5:43 PM
Brandon, I am looking at your finished -E. It might be me, but it seems that something is missing. Look at your model and go back to the one you posted earlier with the retired pilot sitting in the cockpit. Notice that the canopy rail is under his arm. I do not see that rail in your -E. Maybe I just do not see it; but it needs to be there if pilot ever expects to close the canopy!

On the Bench:

Revell 1/96 USS Constitution - rigging

Revell 1/48 B-1B Lancer Prep and research

Trumpeter 1/350 USS Hornet CV-8 Prep and research

 

 

 

  • Member since
    January 2015
  • From: Tumwater, WA.
Posted by M. Brindos on Wednesday, April 19, 2017 2:06 PM

Oh, wow that's looking good. That -E is beautiful!

Looks like we may be fairly close to finishing our -B's around the same time lol.

I know how good it felt to get the bottom painted. You're almost there too.  :)

- Mike Brindos "Lost Boy"

  • Member since
    May 2006
  • From: Chapin, South Carolina
Posted by Shipwreck on Wednesday, April 19, 2017 2:03 PM
Brandon, your -E turned out really nice. I am especially impressed with that instrument panel.

On the Bench:

Revell 1/96 USS Constitution - rigging

Revell 1/48 B-1B Lancer Prep and research

Trumpeter 1/350 USS Hornet CV-8 Prep and research

 

 

 

  • Member since
    December 2002
  • From: NYC, USA
Posted by waikong on Wednesday, April 19, 2017 1:04 PM
Looks great!
  • Member since
    January 2015
Posted by BrandonD on Wednesday, April 19, 2017 11:20 AM

Excellent work! That thing looks gorgeous. I can't wait to see the -B.

-BD-

  • Member since
    June 2014
Posted by BrandonK on Wednesday, April 19, 2017 11:10 AM

Here are some shots of the -E now that it is done.

On the bench:

A lot !! And I mean A LOT!!

2024 Kits on deck / in process / completed   

                         14 / 5 / 2  

                              Tongue Tied

  • Member since
    June 2014
Posted by BrandonK on Wednesday, April 19, 2017 11:08 AM

Well I completed the -E kit a few days ago and it feels really good to have one done. The -B/C now has a new windscreen that fits super good and is ready for primer. I have to finish up the port side cutout glass install and then its off for, hopefully, the final coat of primer.

I used a Squadron canopy and Gorilla Clear Epoxy to set the windscreen in place and it fits awesome and the epoxy is nearly totally invisible, so winning. I had to hand mask the windscreen but I will have the frame shape much cleaner this way too. The canopy slider also includes the frame piece that is moulded to the kit part, which has been removed, so I don't have to fab that up now. Another win. Again, I had to hand mask this part, but again I am controlling the frame size more this way.

With some luck I can have this one ready for paint this weekend. Fingers crossed.

BK

On the bench:

A lot !! And I mean A LOT!!

2024 Kits on deck / in process / completed   

                         14 / 5 / 2  

                              Tongue Tied

  • Member since
    January 2015
  • From: Tumwater, WA.
Posted by M. Brindos on Monday, April 10, 2017 10:14 PM

I don't know what that one is. ???

Edit: perhaps white ? maybe a landing light/friendly identifier?

- Mike Brindos "Lost Boy"

  • Member since
    June 2014
Posted by BrandonK on Monday, April 10, 2017 2:56 PM

Thanks Mike.

One last light, located starboard underneath to the rear of the wing/fuselage area. I'm thinking its a formation light? Red? Blue? Then those will be done.

BK

On the bench:

A lot !! And I mean A LOT!!

2024 Kits on deck / in process / completed   

                         14 / 5 / 2  

                              Tongue Tied

  • Member since
    January 2015
  • From: Tumwater, WA.
Posted by M. Brindos on Monday, April 10, 2017 12:57 AM

Still a gas cap and I think it's still Black.  Not entirely sure at this moment lol.

- Mike Brindos "Lost Boy"

  • Member since
    June 2014
Posted by BrandonK on Sunday, April 9, 2017 10:40 PM

So, COOL. Thanks guys. Now next question. What is the cap in the port cutout of the -E and what color should it be?

BK

On the bench:

A lot !! And I mean A LOT!!

2024 Kits on deck / in process / completed   

                         14 / 5 / 2  

                              Tongue Tied

  • Member since
    January 2015
  • From: Tumwater, WA.
Posted by M. Brindos on Sunday, April 9, 2017 7:40 PM

Just behind and below the pit. Almost directly under the gas cap. BK's last picture (above) shows it quite clearly.

- Mike Brindos "Lost Boy"

  • Member since
    May 2006
  • From: Chapin, South Carolina
Posted by Shipwreck on Sunday, April 9, 2017 7:37 PM
My keying gets worse with my age! But the formation lights on the -B are not the same. I wonder where they are?

On the Bench:

Revell 1/96 USS Constitution - rigging

Revell 1/48 B-1B Lancer Prep and research

Trumpeter 1/350 USS Hornet CV-8 Prep and research

 

 

 

  • Member since
    January 2015
  • From: Tumwater, WA.
Posted by M. Brindos on Sunday, April 9, 2017 7:28 PM

Good info, Shipwreck. My Airfix kit includes them, but they've always been missing from the Monovell kit and I never knew they existed.

Thanks for that info!

- Mike Brindos "Lost Boy"

  • Member since
    May 2006
  • From: Chapin, South Carolina
Posted by Shipwreck on Sunday, April 9, 2017 7:02 PM

I just confirmed that there were blue fdormation lights on either side of the -E! "P-40 Warhawk", Part 2, Bert Kinzey, p22

On the Bench:

Revell 1/96 USS Constitution - rigging

Revell 1/48 B-1B Lancer Prep and research

Trumpeter 1/350 USS Hornet CV-8 Prep and research

 

 

 

  • Member since
    May 2006
  • From: Chapin, South Carolina
Posted by Shipwreck on Sunday, April 9, 2017 6:49 PM

I am pretty sure that I read someplace that they are formation lights, either blue or red. This is an E.

On the Bench:

Revell 1/96 USS Constitution - rigging

Revell 1/48 B-1B Lancer Prep and research

Trumpeter 1/350 USS Hornet CV-8 Prep and research

 

 

 

  • Member since
    January 2015
  • From: Tumwater, WA.
Posted by M. Brindos on Sunday, April 9, 2017 4:03 PM

I think those are just ID lights. Blue is the only color I've seen them in so far.

Hopefully someone has a better answer. Sorry.

- Mike Brindos "Lost Boy"

  • Member since
    June 2014
Posted by BrandonK on Sunday, April 9, 2017 3:03 PM

Does anyone know on the -E version what color the lights on the fuselage beside the pilot are supposed to be? I've see both red or blue on the port side for color. I'm assuming those are Nav lights and would match the port or starboard color, but I can't confirm this.

BK

On the bench:

A lot !! And I mean A LOT!!

2024 Kits on deck / in process / completed   

                         14 / 5 / 2  

                              Tongue Tied

  • Member since
    June 2014
Posted by BrandonK on Saturday, April 8, 2017 7:08 PM

Well, mine is an early -C cuz it'll have a fuel tank and PH markings so I'll use the black with aluminum look. Thanks for the tip.

BK

On the bench:

A lot !! And I mean A LOT!!

2024 Kits on deck / in process / completed   

                         14 / 5 / 2  

                              Tongue Tied

  • Member since
    January 2015
  • From: Tumwater, WA.
Posted by M. Brindos on Saturday, April 8, 2017 3:19 PM

No problem at all. Y'know, I haven't checked the Airfix kit yet to see if the ports are already there, but I suspect that they are.

The color of those caps are different, depending on which markings you've chosen. For the early types the gas cap is black and the glycol is aluminum, but for the exports they are red for the gas and black for the glycol.

Sometimes the glycol cap is yellow. Not sure if that was factory, mandated, or just field applicated. 

The Tigers were typically red/ black as far as I can tell.

Not sure if you already knew that or not. If anyone knows better, please, PLEASE correct me. I'd like to know for sure. :)

- Mike Brindos "Lost Boy"

JOIN OUR COMMUNITY!

Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account.

SEARCH FORUMS
FREE NEWSLETTER
By signing up you may also receive reader surveys and occasional special offers. We do not sell, rent or trade our email lists. View our Privacy Policy.