OT: Will the Thunderbirds transition to the YF-22?

Anonymous

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OT: Will the Thunderbirds transition to the YF-22?

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, September 23, 2003 3:36 PM

I was wondering if the YF-22 has the right kind of performance, if it is fiscally feasible to transition, and if the YF-22 makes enough of a roar.

I do know that it'd make a pretty neat model, though!

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berny13

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Posted by berny13 on Tuesday, September 23, 2003 4:18 PM

With the cost of one F-22, you can buy a whole flight of F-16's. I don't think the T-Birds will be going to the F-22. That was one reason for not going to the F-15. More expensive, more cost effective per hour of flight and TAC (ACC) needed all they could get at the time.

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dkmacin

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Posted by dkmacin on Tuesday, September 23, 2003 5:12 PM

Your kidding right?

Don

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, September 23, 2003 5:20 PM

Most likely they'll be JSF's.

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, September 23, 2003 10:08 PM

QUOTE: Originally posted by dkmacin

Your kidding right?

Don

wishful thinking

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72cuda

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From: USA

Posted by 72cuda on Wednesday, September 24, 2003 7:22 AM

Hey there;
A T bird F-22 that'll be really cool but, the F-22's are a limited number about 360 will be built for the AF, as for the F-35 that will most likely be the successor to the Falcons in Red, White, & Blue, and the cost will be greatly cheaper to abtain then the Raptors in Red, White, & Blue
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John P

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From: Joisey

Posted by John P on Wednesday, September 24, 2003 10:11 AM

Too bad to AF JSF won't have the VTOL function - what an airshow they could do with supersonic VTOLs, eh?

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, September 24, 2003 1:28 PM

I don't see why they wouldn't keep the VTOL equipped on them for the T-birds. It would be interesting for demonstration purposes, anyway.

demono69

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, September 24, 2003 3:20 PM

I thought the Tbirds had a few F-15s . I could swear Ive seen a few with that paint job on them.

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upnorth

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From: Canada / Czech Republic

Posted by upnorth on Wednesday, September 24, 2003 4:49 PM

There was at least one F-15 with a paint sceme based on the T-Birds job. It was a B variant and was painted that way for 1976 U.S. bicentenial celebrations.

For some reason I can't quite get a picture in my mind of a JSF in T-Birds colors.

The cost factor would certainly keep the F-22 out of T-Bird contention, similarly operational costs and maintenance issues were why when they tried out F-105s they only kept them for about half a dozen airshow performances and reverted to what they had before.

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, September 24, 2003 5:11 PM

We're all missing the point, The REAL demo team, the blue angels. F-14's anyone? As for the T-Birds, I like F-111's. Now THAT's a demo team! The Boeing JSF candidate with that cool maw would have looked great in T-Bird colors.

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, September 24, 2003 8:41 PM

The 14's are in fact cool, pav, but they just don't have the agility of the Hornets. It's a shame, too, as the Tommies are my favorite plane, too.
How about the F-117's as a show team? Or better yet, 7 Boeing 747's flying close formation, with a split "s" at the end? Great stuff!

demono69

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dkmacin

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Posted by dkmacin on Wednesday, September 24, 2003 9:10 PM

Ever see that video of the 52 doing a max effort turn at an airshow.
To bad the pilot killed them all.

Don

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, September 25, 2003 5:32 AM

I heard the Thunderbirds are going to be transitioning to blimps next year...Won't that be cool? Smile [:)]

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erush

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From: USA, GA

Posted by erush on Thursday, September 25, 2003 10:30 AM

QUOTE: Originally posted by merlin V1650

I heard the Thunderbirds are going to be transitioning to blimps next year...Won't that be cool?

smack

Sorry Merlin, had to settle you down again. Wink [;)]

James is slacking off on the job! Big Smile [:D]

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, September 25, 2003 10:34 AM

QUOTE: Originally posted by merlin V1650

I heard the Thunderbirds are going to be transitioning to blimps next year...Won't that be cool?

hahahaha

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, September 25, 2003 11:53 AM

red white and blue swimsuits and diamond formation sychronized swimming!

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, September 25, 2003 2:49 PM

OUCH!!..... Black Eye [B)]

Geeeeeeeez, Eric...James doesn't even hit that hard!!... Big Smile [:D]

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J-Hulk

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From: Tochigi, Japan

Posted by J-Hulk on Saturday, September 27, 2003 1:20 AM

Blimps? Hmmm....

I heard it was gonna be kites! Wink [;)]

~Brian

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, September 27, 2003 6:00 AM

No no, Brian

You're thinking of the Blue Angels... Big Smile [:D]

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, September 27, 2003 9:05 AM

dkmacin

QUOTE: Ever see that video of the 52 doing a max effort turn at an airshow. To bad the pilot killed them all.

The idiot was practicing for a local airshow (Fairchild AFB, Wa) The pilot had been warned several times for his aggressive flying. The irony of this is that the accident report blamed the senior leadership. They died in the crash.

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72cuda

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Posted by 72cuda on Saturday, September 27, 2003 9:47 AM

you know what would be Totally Ausome is the T-birds go to the B-1B's they'll be the most empressive aerial demo team on the Planet cause watching the Bone do the same routine as an F-15 Demo was very IMPRESSIVE, and having it fly by at transonic sounded like a 200 car coal train going by
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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, September 27, 2003 1:03 PM

I just cant picture any plane but the F16 in the thunderbird colors. Any other plane would just look weird!

BARsrule2

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, September 27, 2003 3:47 PM

they would look cool with F117s

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, September 27, 2003 8:35 PM

The reason the AF would not use the vtol feature for the t-bird jsf is that the the aircraft have to be uniform with the rest of the same type in service, this is so they can convert them back for war use if the need ever arose, the f-16s they use now are the same way , in their case they would have to pull the smoke generators from the ammo drum bay and repaint them to combat gray. The current plan for the AF JSF is for it to have a bomb bay where the navy and marine version will have a vtol exhaust .
Rigolosi

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, September 27, 2003 10:36 PM

I like your thinking, Cuda.

T-Bird BONES. Awesome! Smile [:)]

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umiami91

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From: Alabama, USA

Posted by umiami91 on Thursday, October 30, 2003 12:36 PM

JSF comes in 3 variants.
CTOL - Conventional takeoff and landing. Includes a bubble canopy and an internal gun. These are what the AF is buying. F-16 replacement.
CV - Designated based on the fact that they are to run off carriers or the CV platform. Significantly larger wings, bubble canopy, arresting hook and beefed up structure and landing gear. These are what the Navy will be buying. Strike Fighter with no clearly defined platform it is replacing.
STOVL - Short Take Off/Vertical Landing. These have the canopy you see on all the JSF kits and a liftfan in the front powered by a shaft off the front of the engine. The inaccuracies are well documented on the existing kits. These are what the Marine Corps will be buying. Harrier replacement. Although VTOL was demonstrated on the X-35, it is really designed for vertical LANDING vs. TAKEOFF.

Hope this helps/is interesting.
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djmodels1999

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From: United Kingdom / Belgium

Posted by djmodels1999 on Thursday, October 30, 2003 2:38 PM

The Blues would look cool in Harriers, I think.... Or maybe the Red Arrows..?!

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upnorth

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From: Canada / Czech Republic

Posted by upnorth on Thursday, October 30, 2003 9:17 PM

Meanwhile, north of the 49th, I'm hoping the Snowbirds will transition to the Hawk trainer now that the Canadian Forces have it in inventory.

As for the above comment about the Red Arrows: The Arrows only belonged in one aircraft and that was the Avro Vulcan, pity THEY never saw it that way ;-)

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, October 31, 2003 5:46 AM

With massive defence cuts looming in the UK, how long before the sparrows get binned?(Red Arrows to the Yanks)
The hawk is nearly 30 years old and the only replacement in sight is fewer numbers of new hawks, training will take priority.
With the retirement of concorde, I think that there will be a few more major shocks to come.
I think that with the passing of the last remaining WWII veterans, the BBMF will also cease flying in military guise, purely to keep the remaining strike assets in the air.
To some WWII is an irrelevance, put in the same ' happened a looooooonnnnng time ago' box as wwI.

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