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The Officially Shameless PBY/Halloween '09 GB

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  • Member since
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  • From: The Mallee, Australia
Posted by Sunnas on Sunday, December 14, 2008 12:13 AM

Nice work MKelley. Nice to see some progress. Keep pouring in those bullets mate, you'll need all you can get!!

I thought I'd mention a couple of (very) small ways to enhance the 1/48 Revellogram kit.

They concern the sea anchor cables and stowage. See below:
The heavily cast rope on the bow is the 'pendant' cable. It seems common to remove this detail as it's not that realistic and is easy to replace with something more to scale. Where the cable enters the Stowing Compartment (top of cable) the kit has a block cast. This block should also be removed and a hole drilled to pass the cable into. Compare these pics:
You can see here that the Pendant Cable passes into the Stowage compartment in a 'flush' kind of way, for want of a better description:
 
The other thing to note is the Mooring Post. After examining all my pics, I have found it was not present on all Catalinas, but seems more common on flying boats (PBY-5, P2B2) than on amphibians (PBY-5A). I do have pics of -5As with mooring posts though. Your choice on whether or not to add it, though it's not at all difficult to do so.
 
The the b&w pics are courtesy of the site Thom mentioned:
http://www.mechanicalrenaissance.com/Albums/catalina_pby_album_2/index.htm 
Many thanks Thom, there is a fantastic resource there for those with the patience to sift through it.
nick
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  • From: South Central Wisconsin
Posted by Daywalker on Sunday, December 14, 2008 12:19 AM

Sunnas-

Excellent reference photos mate.  I looked high and low for something like this a few weeks back, never did find any this good.  Thanks for the pics!

Frank 

 

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  • From: Carmel, CA
Posted by bondoman on Sunday, December 14, 2008 12:50 AM

Those are truly excellent photos. A mooring cleat. Best ,friend. I want to apologize to sfmac  and maybe clarify a post I made last nite, to wit this forum should be about research- didn't mean to be negative but this is a perfect example.

 

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  • From: League City, Texas
Posted by sfcmac on Sunday, December 14, 2008 6:15 AM
 bondoman wrote:

Those are truly excellent photos. A mooring cleat. Best ,friend. I want to apologize to sfmac  and maybe clarify a post I made last nite, to wit this forum should be about research- didn't mean to be negative but this is a perfect example.

 

 I agree the pics are top notch! Very useful indeed. 

 Still looking for why I am being apologized too ? Whistling [:-^] Whatever it was it must not be too bad as I didn't get the special dinner or wine opened for me.... Pirate [oX)]

 I wasn't very clear on my question as it was. I was more asking about the Monogram Models themselves. I have that old dust covered PBY I am cleaning up and repairing ( Original release)and the two newer releases with the landing gear. I was just wondering if the model had more done to it aside from cutting out wheel wells and adding the landing gear stuff. No real current reviews that compare them.  Reason I ask is I like that Bismark Hunter scheme. May consider buying another to attempt a conversion if it not be too complex. I don't see a rerelease of the other type coming anytime soon if ever.

Speaking of research our BVD has been doing a bang up job of answering those PBY questions so who needs Wiki? Mischief [:-,]Make a Toast [#toast]

I plan on starting mine around the 1st of the year. Then I'll really be asking crazy stuff!  Like when exactly did that famous Rita Hayworth picture come out?  Or am I thinking Betty Grabel?

 Accurate pin-ups are important! Especially with Navy Planes!

 I dunno I'd take Rita over Brittney Spears any time!

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  • From: South Central Wisconsin
Posted by Daywalker on Sunday, December 14, 2008 8:24 AM
 sfcmac wrote:

...I'd take Rita over Brittney Spears any time!

Amen to that brother. Approve [^]

Frank 

 

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Posted by namrednef on Sunday, December 14, 2008 10:17 AM

 

Rita.......1942

Betty........1943

The mooring situation with the PBY would naturally change between the flying boat versus the amphibian. Blend it as you wish.

Nice work and refs Nick!

Need to update the front page

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  • From: League City, Texas
Posted by sfcmac on Sunday, December 14, 2008 1:48 PM
 namrednef wrote:

 

Rita.......1942

Betty........1943

The mooring situation with the PBY would naturally change between the flying boat versus the amphibian. Blend it as you wish.

Nice work and refs Nick!

Need to update the front page

 Hey Bondo does his research and I do mine! Mischief [:-,] Thanks for the Dates Nam!!!

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Posted by namrednef on Sunday, December 14, 2008 5:01 PM

 

 Hey Bondo does his research and I do mine! Mischief [:-,] Thanks for the Dates Nam!!!

Courtesy of Time Magazine...........

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Posted by simpilot34 on Sunday, December 14, 2008 8:02 PM
I have to go with Betty!Tongue [:P] I have a DVD of 'A yank in the RAF' and I was just mesmerized by her beauty in it. I can see why she was one of th emost popular pin-ups ever. Course if Betyy is busy I wouldn't knock Rita back!
Cheers, Lt. Cmdr. Richie "To be prepared for war, is one of the most effectual means of preserving the peace."-George Washington
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  • From: Carmel, CA
Posted by bondoman on Wednesday, December 17, 2008 4:36 AM

Another Frikkin' BUMP!!

Bondoman- III, th'rest o' ye' sypphillitic lot' (didn't know that term 100 years ago but Frig' y'all!!!)

Rest o' ye: -210

Gawd I'm sad for Nam, but it's a RUM THING!!!

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  • From: League City, Texas
Posted by sfcmac on Wednesday, December 17, 2008 5:10 AM
 bondoman wrote:

Another Frikkin' BUMP!!

Bondoman- III, th'rest o' ye' sypphillitic lot' (didn't know that term 100 years ago but Frig' y'all!!!)

Rest o' ye: -210

Gawd I'm sad for Nam, but it's a RUM THING!!!

Me thinks you been doing too much time with the youngsters study guides! Make a Toast [#toast]Pirate [oX)]

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  • From: Carmel, CA
Posted by bondoman on Wednesday, December 17, 2008 5:18 AM

Oh study guide I will? 40 pounds o' grapeshot in the carronade when the like's o' ye' occifers stumble yer drunken necks up the gangway frem the Christmas party!!

It'll be a RUM thing it will!!

Might hafta throw a boot at ye;!! HeH!

Be mindinyerself ye Irshman; Oh what the hell speakin ta younguns is a cher!

On the upside, its a pleasure and I'm hopin amid the flatulence that we all cheek agin each other on this GB. I will finish by February 1, Beat that, ye' scurvy numbnuts!

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  • From: Coldwater, Mich
Posted by MKelley on Wednesday, December 17, 2008 7:30 AM
Sunnas, Thanks for the info. I went to that web site and it is freaking amazing. I spent better than 30 minutes going through the pictures. There is so much info there. Detail drawings and photos galore. Propeller [8-] 
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  • From: Inland Northwest
Posted by Summit on Wednesday, December 17, 2008 1:40 PM
Sheesh, I really had to look hard to find this GB - Whats up with That ? Question - Which 1/72 PBY kit out on the market would you reccomend ? I like Airfix kits  but have never built Academy, Revell - eh some pan out some dont..  I came across a set of Coast Guard decals yesterday while searching for decals for something else. Just way too Cool not to Build ! Any recomendations for which manufacture to use ?
Sean "I've reached nearly fifty years of age with my system." Weekend GB 2008
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  • From: Tucson
Posted by cardshark_14 on Wednesday, December 17, 2008 3:43 PM

Hi Sean,

Go with Academy.  Your options in 1/72 are Academy, Airfix, Matchbox, and Revell.  Of the four, the Airfix, Matchbox, and Revell kits have raised panel lines, zillions of raised rivets everywhere, toy-like features, and little to no interior. I believe the Matchbox kit is a repop of the Revell kit. The Academy kit is a really nice rendition, with no accuracy issues.  That's my My 2 cents [2c] on the matter.

But, so you can make up your own mind, here are some reviews...

http://www.modelingmadness.com/reviews/allies/us/jorgensenpbypreview.htm
http://www.modelingmadness.com/reviews/allies/us/michaelspby.htm
http://www.fortunecity.com/meltingpot/portland/971/Reviews/usaaf/pby-5-catalina.htm
I can't find a review of the Airfix kit, but its older, and more toylike than the Revell.

HTH!

Cheers,
Alex

Never trust anyone who refuses to drink domestic beer, laugh at the Three Stooges, or crank Back In Black.
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Posted by namrednef on Wednesday, December 17, 2008 4:17 PM

 Summit wrote:
Sheesh, I really had to look hard to find this GB - Whats up with That ? Question - Which 1/72 PBY kit out on the market would you reccomend ? I like Airfix kits  but have never built Academy, Revell - eh some pan out some dont..  I came across a set of Coast Guard decals yesterday while searching for decals for something else. Just way too Cool not to Build ! Any recomendations for which manufacture to use ?

Sorry, the BVD has not been monitoring as diligently as he should.....moving/non-moving trouble....(not with the bowels, folks!) Trying to keep up.

I'll defer to Alex' opinions......I have just the Revell kit.

Sean, let us know what you want to do! Welcome!

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  • From: Inland Northwest
Posted by Summit on Wednesday, December 17, 2008 5:50 PM

Alex - Thanks for taking the time to post the links, and bonus points for turning me on to Modeling Madness.I had never seen that site before, way too much stuff to take in..

So I ordered the Academy PB-5, plus some other stuff Whistling [:-^]

Lt - this will make my 4th PBY kit, I have two old 1/48 's plus the New Release Revell/Mono 1/48..Propeller [8-]

Sean "I've reached nearly fifty years of age with my system." Weekend GB 2008
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Posted by namrednef on Wednesday, December 17, 2008 7:32 PM
 Summit wrote:

Alex - Thanks for taking the time to post the links, and bonus points for turning me on to Modeling Madness.I had never seen that site before, way too much stuff to take in..

So I ordered the Academy PB-5, plus some other stuff Whistling [:-^]

Lt - this will make my 4th PBY kit, I have two old 1/48 's plus the New Release Revell/Mono 1/48..Propeller [8-]

Well Sheesh!.....I suppose we should expect all 4 by next week!Laugh [(-D]

Version? I'll hook you up on the front page! Welcomes!

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  • From: Long Island, NY
Posted by Hot-Pb on Thursday, December 18, 2008 2:38 PM
So some advice folks. I'm leaning towards trying to build up a passable representation of a black cat from VP-11, posted to New Guinea in '43. These birds generally seemed to sport some fanciful nose art, which appeals to me. Something similar to this:

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Most of the images I've seen, though, only show cats from VP-11 from the nose, it's hard to distinguish what other codes they sported on the rear fuselage and tail. This is one exception, a VP-11 cat on the Sepik River sporting a "34" tailcode. anyone have any guidance on where to find tailcodes for individual aircraft or other insignia they would have sported?

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cheers,
Hot-Pb

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  • From: The Mallee, Australia
Posted by Sunnas on Thursday, December 18, 2008 6:35 PM

Hot-Pb.

Looks like this could be another pic of the same bird on the Sepik River

It is from here:

http://www.daveswarbirds.com/blackcat/photo12.htm

As for tail codes, I havent had any luck yet but will keep an eye out. For RAAF subjects, the Australian War Memorial webpage has a listing of squadrons and their respective codes, and another site called ADF Serials maps the careers of aircraft in RAAF service. Wondering if there is anything simular for USN/USAF aircraft?

Good luck!

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Posted by namrednef on Thursday, December 18, 2008 7:42 PM

 

Try looking into 93rd Seabees Batt on a google search. The seem to have operated with PPM and a PT sqd.

I'm busy right now but will look later if you like!

  • Member since
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  • From: Long Island, NY
Posted by Hot-Pb on Thursday, December 18, 2008 9:11 PM

Thanks Namrednef. That proved to be very helpful. Through the Seebees site I came across a link to the VPNavy.org site and was able to search for the first aircraft. There's actually a very interesting accounting by the Pilot enitled "Down at Sea" about the airdraft's demise due to the premature detonation of a depth charge. Fascinating read, the website has a very good search feature and a number of photos. Anyhow, they list the Bureau Number as 08328, but I'm not sure that would have beenstenciled on the aircraft.

 

Hot-Pb

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  • From: Carmel, CA
Posted by bondoman on Friday, December 19, 2008 3:08 AM
 Hot-Pb wrote:

Thanks Namrednef. That proved to be very helpful. Through the Seebees site I came across a link to the VPNavy.org site and was able to search for the first aircraft. There's actually a very interesting accounting by the Pilot enitled "Down at Sea" about the airdraft's demise due to the premature detonation of a depth charge. Fascinating read, the website has a very good search feature and a number of photos. Anyhow, they list the Bureau Number as 08328, but I'm not sure that would have beenstenciled on the aircraft.

 

Hot-Pb

But there might have been a "28" on the tail. otherwise minimal markings.
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Posted by namrednef on Friday, December 19, 2008 7:48 AM

 

Glad it helped some Hot-Pb!Thumbs Up [tup]

Bumping this up a bit in hopes of gaining some more members!

Starting my PBY for this GB after the New Year!

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Posted by namrednef on Sunday, December 21, 2008 2:58 PM

 

BUMP!

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  • From: South Central Wisconsin
Posted by Daywalker on Tuesday, December 23, 2008 7:41 AM
 namrednef wrote:

BUMP!

BUMP! BUMP! Big Smile [:D]

Frank 

 

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Posted by Summit on Tuesday, December 23, 2008 10:07 AM
I am hoping my Academy 1/72 PBY5 shows in todays mail. Those Coast Guard decals have me all excited. Propeller [8-] 
Sean "I've reached nearly fifty years of age with my system." Weekend GB 2008
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  • From: League City, Texas
Posted by sfcmac on Tuesday, December 23, 2008 10:44 AM
 Daywalker wrote:
 namrednef wrote:

BUMP!

BUMP! BUMP! Big Smile [:D]

Shock [:O]

That is just so wrong.... and now Sean is all excited! Blush [:I]

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  • From: Inland Northwest
Posted by Summit on Tuesday, December 23, 2008 2:50 PM
Mail Call Thumbs Down [tdn] just my monthly letter from the IRS to pay up Dead [xx(] Maybe tommorow  Tongue [:P]
Sean "I've reached nearly fifty years of age with my system." Weekend GB 2008
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Posted by namrednef on Tuesday, December 23, 2008 2:56 PM

 

Thanks for the extra bumps Guys! I'm working on the PH GB PBY which is just a couple weeks late....and other things which, of course are also late.

My goal is to have stuff cleared out and to get grounded for future builds.

WE WELCOME ANY NEW MEMBERS!

 

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