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Posted by drdull on Sunday, April 26, 2009 10:33 PM

Hi Vetteman42.  For my 1/72 B-29A I'll be using Hawkeye's Talon acrylic NMF paint.  I had good results with it when I buit a 1/48 AT-6 "Texan" for the Classic Kits group build.

 

Barry

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Posted by HawkeyeHobbies on Monday, April 27, 2009 8:58 AM
 drdull wrote:

Hi Vetteman42.  For my 1/72 B-29A I'll be using Hawkeye's Talon acrylic NMF paint.  I had good results with it when I buit a 1/48 AT-6 "Texan" for the Classic Kits group build.

 

Barry

Barry be sure to email me pictures of your AT-6!

 

I'm chomping at the bit for the start of this GB. I've carved out some time to do my first project for this GB as a marathon build. I've about worn off the details on the TSR-2 in anticipation. Come'on May 1st!

Gerald "Hawkeye" Voigt

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Posted by vetteman42 on Monday, April 27, 2009 11:04 AM
 HawkeyeHobbies wrote:
 drdull wrote:

Hi Vetteman42.  For my 1/72 B-29A I'll be using Hawkeye's Talon acrylic NMF paint.  I had good results with it when I buit a 1/48 AT-6 "Texan" for the Classic Kits group build.

 

Barry

Barry be sure to email me pictures of your AT-6!

 

I'm chomping at the bit for the start of this GB. I've carved out some time to do my first project for this GB as a marathon build. I've about worn off the details on the TSR-2 in anticipation. Come'on May 1st!

Drdull Nice AT-6 you have there I really like that finish. I have heard about Talon paints and it looks really good as it doesnt have that painted look to it. I am hoping builders in this group will tell a bit about what they use and how they achieved their finish. Tell me do you have an undercoat of black under the top coat ? Thanks for posting the picture.

HawkeyeHobbies I am having the same troubles you are, can't say how many times I have opened the P-38 box. Most of the planes I have built I have done when I was a kid, but I never built a P-38, and I know if I should take the sprues out of the plastic I wont be able to stop myself from starting it. Comon Friday !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Randy So many to build.......So little time

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Posted by Lancair IV on Tuesday, April 28, 2009 9:19 PM

Is it Friday yet?

 

Whistling [:-^]

Rob Byrnes

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Posted by vetteman42 on Wednesday, April 29, 2009 12:57 AM
 Lancair IV wrote:

Is it Friday yet?

 

Whistling [:-^]

Boohoo [BH]

Randy So many to build.......So little time

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Posted by dioramator on Wednesday, April 29, 2009 9:22 AM

This will be my first GB, so count me in.

I have an 1:24 scale NA P-51D Mustang by Airfix, sitting in my high priority pile, and a couple of photos for reference, of one that was recently at a nearby airfield.

This will also be the first aircraft that I have built in the past 6 years or so, and it will be a break from the armour.

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Posted by vetteman42 on Wednesday, April 29, 2009 10:08 AM
Dioramator Sign - Welcome [#welcome] to the build group you are in. Now we have 2 that are firsts to group builds, thank you for choosing this one. I am a P-51 nut so I cant wait to see yours, wish I could build that large a scale but no room for them. Have you decided what method you will be using to finish your 51 ?

Randy So many to build.......So little time

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Posted by dioramator on Wednesday, April 29, 2009 8:20 PM

Thanks for the welcome vetteman.

here is a picture of the subject.

the finish will be a dull aluminium as per the photo.

At this stage the plan is to finish using Tamiya TS-17 gloss aluminium... (decanted from the can and airbrushed of couse). then flattened off with a coat of Testors dullcote lacquer, which will also seal in the decals. (hopefully it will not turn the finish too grey).

the size shouldn't be a problem, as I usually build dioramas, I have room to spread my elbows.

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Posted by vetteman42 on Wednesday, April 29, 2009 9:11 PM

Nice picture of a P-51 Dioamator thanks for the picture. I tried that once putting dullcoat over aluminium silver and as I recall it didnt work out very well. Made the silver look like a powdery gray. I would sugest semi-gloss might work better than dull for what you want. At any rate I would do a few test panels first.

 

Randy So many to build.......So little time

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Posted by Lancair IV on Wednesday, April 29, 2009 9:20 PM
 dioramator wrote:

Thanks for the welcome vetteman.

here is a picture of the subject.

the finish will be a dull aluminum as per the photo.

At this stage the plan is to finish using Tamiya TS-17 gloss aluminium... (decanted from the can and airbrushed of couse). then flattened off with a coat of Testors dullcote lacquer, which will also seal in the decals. (hopefully it will not turn the finish too grey).

the size shouldn't be a problem, as I usually build dioramas, I have room to spread my elbows.

 

Hey dioramator......Don't do it.  Don't use dull coat.  I did exactly that to my F-51 and she looks like crap know.

Here's the before and after.  Someday I'm going to re-cover her.

Good luck with the Mustang.  Definitely one of my favorite fighters

Rob Byrnes

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Posted by drdull on Wednesday, April 29, 2009 9:23 PM

Vetteman - in answer to your question, no there is nothing under the Talon acrylic on the AT-6 except plastic.  I did use a couple of different shades of paint and polishing powders in places, but I wasn't going for a 'chrome' look - I was very pleased (and more importantly, so was the vet whose training aircraft I modeled) with the result.

Gerald -  I'll be happy to send you some photos of the AT-6 (though IMHO you have much better examples of "Talonized" models in your gallery).  I'll also send along some pictures of the 1:72 F-86 that was my first attempt with the paint.  I used that model to practice on and to see how well it took additional paint - worked great.

Dioramator - Looking forward to your P-51 -nice photo.

Barry

 

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Posted by drdull on Wednesday, April 29, 2009 9:29 PM
Lancair, Even with the dull coat - that looks like a pretty damn fine model to me.  For what its worth, to my eyes the oxydized appearance seems more realistic for planes that have seen service.
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Posted by dioramator on Wednesday, April 29, 2009 10:02 PM

thanks for the feedback, and the photos.

believe it or not, the second of your photos (thanks Lancair) is pretty close to the effect that I am after. the plane would have been all silver and shiny when it rolled off the production line, but my subject was taken in 2007, and years of weathering and oxidation had taken effect.

still I am open to any suggestions on how to replicate this dull shiny surface.

I havn't tried the TS gloss aluminium, so I am not sure how coarse the fleck is. Alternately I may try airbrushing (Tamiya XF16) Flat Alumium, followed by a gloss coat (the fleck in the XF 16 may be a bit finer, and have a smoother texture).

 

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Posted by dioramator on Wednesday, April 29, 2009 10:18 PM
 firesmacker wrote:

Randy,

I'll hop in on this one. I have a Tamiya P-51D that I want to do in NMF. I have the A/M decals for a "Yellow Nose" bird. This will give me an excuse to get this thing started and done.

This was my latest and only attempt at a NMF

Can't wait to do another one.

Regards,

Jeff

 

what finish did you use on that?

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Posted by vetteman42 on Wednesday, April 29, 2009 10:20 PM

Dioramator Have you given thought to using foil to cover your P-51 with ? I used the dull side of renolds wrap around the exhaust stacks ON a P-51 I just finished that looks like it will give you the finish you are looking for heres a picture of the foul around the stacks for ya, the rest of the model was done with the bright side of the foil.

 

 

Randy So many to build.......So little time

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Posted by vetteman42 on Wednesday, April 29, 2009 10:24 PM
 drdull wrote:

Vetteman - in answer to your question, no there is nothing under the Talon acrylic on the AT-6 except plastic.  I did use a couple of different shades of paint and polishing powders in places, but I wasn't going for a 'chrome' look - I was very pleased (and more importantly, so was the vet whose training aircraft I modeled) with the result.

Gerald -  I'll be happy to send you some photos of the AT-6 (though IMHO you have much better examples of "Talonized" models in your gallery).  I'll also send along some pictures of the 1:72 F-86 that was my first attempt with the paint.  I used that model to practice on and to see how well it took additional paint - worked great.

Dioramator - Looking forward to your P-51 -nice photo.

Barry

 

Barry I do think your AT-6 has a great finish on it, one to be proud of for sure.

 

 

Randy So many to build.......So little time

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Posted by Lancair IV on Friday, May 1, 2009 9:23 AM
And begin.......Whistling [:-^]

Rob Byrnes

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Posted by dioramator on Friday, May 1, 2009 9:51 AM
Gentlemen, start your engines (or whatever your first step is)
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Posted by vetteman42 on Friday, May 1, 2009 7:52 PM
What no WIP pictures yet ????

Randy So many to build.......So little time

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Posted by dioramator on Friday, May 1, 2009 8:51 PM

Well I have started

heres one Vetteman

The bonus of being just past the international time line is that it is Friday here, before it is Friday there.

 

 

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Posted by Lancair IV on Friday, May 1, 2009 9:46 PM

I started as well on the 1/48 B-58 Hustler.

Fuselage to wing top, cockpit, main gear wells and nose gear

Started Cockpit

 

Cheers

Rob Byrnes

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Posted by Aggieman on Friday, May 1, 2009 10:53 PM

Had a challenging week at work, so I told my wife when I got home this evening that I needed a little time at the bench tonight.  Kinda a stress relief.  I jumped right into my build for this GB, an old AMT/ERTL B-35 Flying Wing.

The kit was a gift my mother-in-law picked up at a garage sale a few weeks ago for a buck.  Knowing that Italeri has recently re-released this kit with a large price tag, I was overjoyed to get this bird at such a steal.  Except when I opened it up I noticed right off that it was missing the clear parts sprue, decals and instructions.  The lack of clear parts was initially a bit of a concern, but I was not bothered by the other missing stuff.  I can make my own decals, or paint them, and how hard can this thing be to build?  It's just a big wing!  And I'm building it wheels up, so even better.

But when I really got to looking at what was in the box, I felt like there might be even more missing than I initially thought.  I went to the Italeri web site and found a page with their version of this kit, and it showed the entire set of sprues necessary to building a B-35.  And I discovered that in addtion to what I already knew was missing, I was also missing a couple of other sprues that included the engine nacelles and all of the interior cockpit parts.  Cockpit details I can live without (it will be hanging from the ceiling, so a missing interior will not be noticeable).  But the engine nacelles?  Yack.

I contacted Italeri to see if I could purchase the parts from them, but when they finally e-mailed back to me, they indicated that they did not sell parts but that if I sent them the UPC and the exact parts numbers, they could probably get them to me.  Sounded good until I remembered that this is the AMT/ERTL kit, so the UPC is likely different.  Ah, I decided to not pursue that and instead attempt to scratch build the nacelles.  But also missing are the ailerons, but I figure those will be simple.

For the nacelles I have procured some cheap plastic - some packaging material from something we got for my daughter, crayons perhaps, and some flimsy For Sale signs I picked up yesterday at Home Depot.

So I put the entire air frame together - remember, it's a wing - and started working with these tubes.

I cut the tubes down to a specific length and affixed them first with scotch tape to the wing mounts, then used some Tamiya liquid glue to permanently set them.

What I have to do next is determine how to cut the pieces that will form the vertical surfaces of the nacelles, and mate those parts to these cylinders.  I doubt that the finished product will look exactly right, but it's my first attempt at so ambitious a scratch-building project.

Finally I measured the plastic necessary for the ailerons and cut the parts from the For Sale sign.  In the photo I have glued a narrow piece of sprue to one end to act as a separator for the two pieces of For Sale signs that will form the ailerons.

I doubt that I will make much more progress this weekend, but we'll see what tomorrow holds.

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Posted by dioramator on Saturday, May 2, 2009 12:39 AM

I started on the build date, and got through the first step, and into the second.

The first thing I noticed was that building this lovely old kit in big scale, means I also have to contend with the 1/24 scale mould separation lines. The parts need a fair bit of a clean up, but everything so far has fitted quite well, (with a little sanding and scraping).

I found some beaut photos I took at the aviation museum a while back... anyone looking at superdetailing the Merlin?

 

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Posted by HawkeyeHobbies on Saturday, May 2, 2009 8:21 AM

Well I off and flying on the build of my TSR-2 for this GB. You can follow along step by step by viewing my blog where I not only build it, but pass along some assembly tips and techniques as well. The soft plastic of this kit is great for liquid solvent type cements. It oozes rather nicely which means minimal seam work.

 

With the weather being so nice I might have to take short pause to clean out the garage this weekend. The grass is threatening the need to mow it, which means getting the mower out of winter storage and serviced. Our last hard frost date is mid May...looks as if we are going straight from winter to summer with only a short hint of spring. 

 

Gerald "Hawkeye" Voigt

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Posted by vetteman42 on Saturday, May 2, 2009 11:23 AM

It looks like the GB is off and running to a great start.

Dioramator Thanks for the picture, looks like you have your work cut out for ya on that Merlin. Its a large enought scale that one could have a blast superdetailing it. Thanks also for the pictures of a real Merlin I have saved those for a future build I hope to do.

Lancair IV Nice pit, looks really good. I saw a show the other night on the Military Channel about the B-58, was quite impressive. I have to ask though, how do you guys build so fast and so well ? I find that amazing, takes me a week to do just a cockpit.

Aggieman Seems you have your work cut out for you also, sounds like a lot of scratch building is in order. You sure your Mother-In-Law isnt mad at you for somethin ? LOL just kidding. A great idea with the tubes they look good, will be keeping a close eye on your build.

HawkeyeHobbies I have been waiting to see this Bad Boy build, Looks like a very nice start and not a bad kit. I will be checking out your blog on this one and a few others as well.

Do to some family nonsence I wont be able to do much work on the P-38 this weekend as I had hoped. I should have some pictures up middle of the week. I did get a chance to open the box and take a look, also did a bit of dry fitting wasnt too bad but I will be using some puddy and doing a bit of scratch building on the cockpit. I did get my grimy mits on a Testors 1/48 F-104 Starfighter I might have to build for this GB, havent done a jet in years though.

 

Randy So many to build.......So little time

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Posted by dioramator on Saturday, May 2, 2009 6:06 PM
 vetteman42 wrote:

 I have to ask though, how do you guys build so fast and so well ? I find that amazing, takes me a week to do just a cockpit.

 

Sheer enthusiasm!

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Posted by HawkeyeHobbies on Sunday, May 3, 2009 10:28 AM

Well I got the basic assembly completed...now on to the clean up and prep work before painting. Even cleaned up the shop as well as the bench.

It went from this

To this:

Now I can concentrate on the builds themselves much better.

Oh and a note of size comparison between the F-4, F-22 and TSR-2

 

 

Gerald "Hawkeye" Voigt

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Posted by vetteman42 on Monday, May 4, 2009 3:15 PM

HawkeyeHobbies Bout time you cleaned up that bench LOL wish I had that much bench that needed cleaning. I am waiting to see how your new paint comes out, looks nice so far. Thanks for the comparison pictures too. I like building all in the same scale for that very reason, the differances in size can be quite suprising.

 

Randy So many to build.......So little time

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Posted by dioramator on Monday, May 4, 2009 9:30 PM

Well I put in a couple of productive hours into my build yesterday.

All the required parts have now been removed from the sprue, and the sprue tags removed, so I'm currently cleaning up mould lines, and doing sub assemblies, and sorting the pieces into colour groups for the first phase of painting.

After input from you guys, I have decided to experiment with some different BMFs, so I went to the hobby shop to get some Alclad II , or SNJ powder, but they didn't have any, so I ended up getting a bottle of Model Master Aluminium Plate Buffing Metlaizer. After researching this product, it really doesn't seem to suit my purposes (from what I read, it leaves a very delicate surface... not suitable for handling), but I figure I can use it on interior detail, as well as some other projects I have on the drawing board. So the finish on the mustang is still a bit up in the air (pardon the pun).

Good to see a clean bench HawkeyeHobbies, I just pushed my WIP's to the back, but there is only so many times one can do this, (Im also currently working on a diorama I would like to enter in the model show at the end of September).

Finally I have some more photots taken at the museum I would like to use for colour reference, does this look like the correct colour green for the cockpit. It seems a bit bright to me.

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Posted by Thunderbolt379 on Tuesday, May 5, 2009 1:07 AM

Now this is an interesting GB! Having had a good experience with NMF in the recent Mustang and Korea builds, I might be interested in putting something together. Let me see how things shape up as the year progresses (I have way too much on), but I might apply to join this one!

Cheers, guys, thanks for the great opportunities,

Mike/TB379

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