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Achtraden! 8x8 Group Build '09-'10

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  • From: Cary, North Carolina
Posted by M1Carbine on Wednesday, November 11, 2009 1:38 AM

Thanks Mike.  Im working on those vynal buggers now.  I have found that they really hate paint......LOL.  One of the vynal wheels is badly formed so I have o try and hide it the best I can.  Ill have some more shots later.

 

Bob

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Posted by Thunderbolt379 on Wednesday, November 11, 2009 12:14 AM

Excellent decision, Bob -- respraying the black component of the camo creates a much more solid feel which is very realistic. Finishing is always our own choice of techniques to get the effect we're looking for and I think the ability to either experiment or change direction is a valuable skill!

Can't wait to see wheels under her,

Cheers, Mike/TB379

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Posted by M1Carbine on Tuesday, November 10, 2009 10:35 PM

Well I had to go over the nato black camo again, I just ddnt like the way it looked.  Here are some shots.

More to come

 

Bob

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Posted by M1Carbine on Tuesday, November 10, 2009 7:06 PM

Thanks Axel, I should have some more shots later this evening.  Playing with all the fiddly bits (tools) and such.

AS far as upsetting rivet counters...I say....rivets schmivits...build away my friend and just enjoy it buddy.

 

Bob

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Posted by Axel Smith on Tuesday, November 10, 2009 6:15 PM

Nice looking build you got there Bob!

 

I guess I should be getting 'round to uploading pics of my build...  I've been scratching an interior, but I know its not accurate. I just wanted to add something to the interior to make it so it didn't look like an empty... So yeah. Its not accurate by anymeans (i think) ... Hope I won't upset any rivet counters out there... Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]

- Alex

'Verily, this vichyssoise of verbiage veers most verbose, so let me simply add that it's my very good honor to meet you and you may call me V...'

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Posted by M1Carbine on Tuesday, November 10, 2009 5:57 PM

Thank you gents.  I got the base coat on and camo on, and shot it with lusterless flat. I see a few little quirks in the paint but I think it will even out with the oil wash I plan on doint later this evening.

Ill have some more shots later.

 

Bob

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Posted by Thunderbolt379 on Tuesday, November 10, 2009 5:19 PM

Nate -- I noticed the green putty and wondered about that -- a Dragon kit needing filler? Big Smile [:D] Well, I guess their engineers are just about as mortal as Tamiya's, which is just this side of divinity... Great looking build and yes, this beast does look very beefy when it's all together. I have the fenders on mine now, plus the exhausts, tiedown lugs, tool box and front bumper bar and she's starting to really look the business. Pictures soon -- not many more parts to go and it'll be time to set her aside until I can get her into dunkelgelb.

Bob -- That Luchs looks a bit of a handful, an unusual subject for sure. Sorry she's a bit below par but it looks like you're rising to the challenge. I'll watch with great interest as I have a number of RG armor kits, including their Panzerhaubitzer 2000, and I'm interested in the sort of engineering quirks that RG may build in. Good work so far, she looks great in primer!

Andy -- Speaking of primer, the only primer as such I've used to date has been Humbrol #1 enamel, which has a marvelous application and can be sanded glass-smooth with fine paper and lubricant. In other cases I've used straight Tamiya acrylic as an undercoat on vinyl, choosing a color which will be complimentary (or at least not antagonistic) with the main colors to come.

KW13 -- a thousand appologies, I don't think I got around to thanking you for making up the trial badge! If folks like your design they are more than welcome to use it On that theme, good news, I've landed a good suite of images and will be making up a further selection of badges shortly on German, American and Russian themes -- gentlemen, take your pick! (Or if anyone has another design they'd prefer, by all means submit it for the consideration of the builders!)

Cheers, Mike/TB379

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  • From: Connecticut, USA
Posted by Nachtflieger on Tuesday, November 10, 2009 3:13 PM

Nice work Bob!Thumbs Up [tup] That is really coming out nice......I especially like the primered shots.Big Smile [:D]

 Andy: I only use primer if I have aftermarket goodies like PE, or an aluminum barrel. Even then, I don't always prime.........I usually shoot paint directly on the plastic. When I do primer, I use Tamiya's white or grey primer.

Nate

 

 

 

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Posted by M1Carbine on Tuesday, November 10, 2009 1:24 PM

Def, I first used Rustoleum auto primer, but I found that the paint gets real thick towards the end of the can, plus its about $4 a can.  I then went to WallMart and picked up thier brand of grey primer and have used it ever since.  It lays on like silk and sprays real even and I love the fact that its .98 a can. 

Bob

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  • From: Carmel, IN
Posted by deafpanzer on Tuesday, November 10, 2009 11:18 AM

Oh man!  You guys are on ROLL!  I can't wait to start my kit soon...

I'd like to ask you guys what you use as for primer because last time I used Tamiya light gray primer and I was not too impressed.  My figures end up with alot of air bubbles afterward...

 

Andy

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Posted by M1Carbine on Tuesday, November 10, 2009 1:07 AM

Got some more shots of progress.  Its been slow because this model is......lets say......not up to par.

had to scratch build the mud flaps for the front

got the major components primed

tomorrow Ill start with the final details and some painting.

enjoy

Bob

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  • From: Connecticut, USA
Posted by Nachtflieger on Monday, November 9, 2009 3:32 PM

Mike.......looking REAL good!Smile [:)] We ARE at just about the same point. Today I added the fenders, and built the turret and gun assembly. I was surprised at how beefy it looks with the fenders, and turret in place. It's actually a good sized vehicle compared with some of my other armour kits.

I have been building at my job, so I didn't take pics of my latest assembly. I'll finish up the turret tomorrow, and bring it home to shoot some pics.

Oh yeah, as for adding weld beads; in one of the pics of my Puma, if you look at the join between the two lower hulls in the front, you'll see I added a weld bead there. Actually, there was a gap, and I had to fill it with Squadron green putty. While it was still wet, I just textured it with my exacto knife. This is a very simple method which I think gives good results.

Nate

 

 

 

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Posted by Thunderbolt379 on Monday, November 9, 2009 6:10 AM

Nate -- made some more progress, we seem to be at about the same point. My next job is to mount the fenders/stowage lockers and get the hull fittings into place. There are a few bits to rub down, I might as well make rubbing down a single job when the build-up reaches the last point before the delicate parts need to be painted seperately.

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The wheels are simply push-fitted. I was thinking about using the hot knife trick to ripple in the weld seams -- not sure if I should. It just makes sense to buy a Dragon 234 with all the work done! Note the lower port front of the turret where some liquid glue seeped around, that's part of the rubbing down.

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This one shows how relatively undetailed the Italeri molds are in comparison to the Dragons. I got all the steering rods installed last night, it's detailed enough for cursory inspection but the Dragon looks like it'll drive away on the bench. Imagine a 1:16th scale 234 by Trumpeter, with working steering and suspension (and a $300 price tag...)

KW13 -- The way DS is reported over here it only ever seems to be about bringing the westerly states into line with the east for business purposes -- the east coast keeps wanting us to leave our clocks permanently forward two hours... Which is never going to happen! But that's politics, the real world is styrene!

M1 -- I keep meaning to do something special with a selection of badges, one with a 234, one with a BTR and one with an LAV-25, therefore something apppropriate to the different streams within the theme. It'll be a week before I can get these designs up and running -- end of the academic year, I'm grading papers and helping look after an exam in two days. Then I'll be slightly free-er, just in time for the hot weather when paint dries too fast in the AB...

Right, I'd better get on and fit the fenders.

Cheers, Mike/TB379

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Posted by M1Carbine on Saturday, November 7, 2009 11:50 PM

So is the Logo posted earlier goint to be the official Logo for this GB??????

 

WooooooooooooooooooHoooooooooooooooooooooo

yes I know Im a little excited but thats why my Dr gives me meds.

 

Bob

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  • From: Hobart, Tasmania
Posted by Konigwolf13 on Saturday, November 7, 2009 8:11 AM

But we do have daylight savings, hell the damn state government keeps thinking about making it year long daylight savings.

 

As for progress on the build....

Got a base coat done on the cabin today, need to full some ejector pin marks before I can do any more. pics soon.

 

Andrew

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Posted by Thunderbolt379 on Saturday, November 7, 2009 8:01 AM

KW13 -- Damn your eastern states elitism, sir! Smile [:)] Just because you don't have Daylight Saving, don't get the impression you're more important than the rest of us!

Mike/TB379

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Posted by Nachtflieger on Saturday, November 7, 2009 7:57 AM

Thanks Mike!Smile [:)] It IS a real piece of work, isn't it?Wink [;)] It's 9 AM here in the States, so good morning from here, and goodnight to you!

Konigwolf13: Yeah....it DOES look like a bug on it's back!Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]

Nate

 

 

 

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  • From: Hobart, Tasmania
Posted by Konigwolf13 on Saturday, November 7, 2009 7:56 AM
 Thunderbolt379 wrote:

 (it's 12.23am here in Aus).

 

Actually in the real parts of australia its 12:58am :P

 

 

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Posted by Konigwolf13 on Saturday, November 7, 2009 7:54 AM

Laugh [(-D] Laugh [(-D] Laugh [(-D] Laugh [(-D]

Giggling like a kid...

Why does seeing your build upside down like that, remind of a bug on its back that it makes me giggle and smirk

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Posted by Thunderbolt379 on Saturday, November 7, 2009 7:53 AM

Very spectacular, Nate! That is real plastic engineering, and it looks so solid and businesslike! I'll put one of these on my shopping list for the not too dustant future! I have one of their Panther Smart Kits, plus some Imperials and some '39-'45s, methinks I'll have to pay more attention to Dragon!

Two small links to go and I'll be fnished for tonight (it's 12.23am here in Aus). Tomorrow I'll install the leafsprings and steering rods, plus a few other bits and pieces and the running gear should be done.

Cheers, and great work,

Mike/TB379

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Posted by Nachtflieger on Saturday, November 7, 2009 7:45 AM

Mike, you owe it to your self to build one of the new Dragon Smart Kits! I just finished the new Jagdpanzer IV, and it was a pure joy to build!Big Smile [:D]

As promised earlier, here are a few pics of my Puma. The upper hull is just placed on the lower, so it wouldn't look so bare. Also, the wheels are attached with Blue Tac so I can remove them for painting later on. As it stands, the lower half is complete. Next up will be the upper hull. As always, comments welcome!

Nate

 

 

Here's a close up of the wheels. Each one is made up of 5 parts.......outstanding detail IMHO!Smile [:)]

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Posted by Thunderbolt379 on Saturday, November 7, 2009 6:50 AM

Hi Nate -- Thanks! Sounds like we have a similar gameplan with similar interests! I'm working on the suspension at this moment, first round tonight, second round tomorrow, and can see this one ready for paint in a couple of days. Then I'll change back to my StuG and get her up to the same point. I was hoping to do a Brummbar as well, it all depends when the kit comes in.

I must break my Dragon virginity one of these days, I have about ten later-tool Dragons and a couple of earlies, the earlies are simple in some ways, confounding in others. I've put two together, but neither are complete yet.

Cheers, Mike/TB379

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  • From: Connecticut, USA
Posted by Nachtflieger on Saturday, November 7, 2009 6:24 AM

Nice work Mike, it's coming together quick! That's one of the nice things about an older kit versus the newer Dragon kits. You could probably build two or three of the Italeri kits in the time it takes to do one Dragon kit.

I finished the suspension and tires on my Puma, and as soon as I wake up a bit, I'll take some pics of it. It was pretty complicated, but if you take your time, and follow the instructions, it comes out looking great! I won't be working on it this weekend as I plan on painting my Brummbar for the 1000 roadwheels build.

Nate 

 

 

 

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Posted by Thunderbolt379 on Saturday, November 7, 2009 1:11 AM

Hi all,

Nate -- the suspension of the Dragon 234 looks amazing, an order of magnitude better than the old Italeri kit. I find myself thinking I'll have to add these kits to my stash!

Update on the Testor/Italeri Puma:

The limitations of molding way back when this series was tooled meant the rear hull had to have some cut-outs (Dragon no doubt do it with slidemolds). I've worked on this hull design once or twice in the past (never completed one, though) and found the best way to line up those parts was to lay in some stripstock to create ledges:

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The ledges mean you can drop in the triangular fillets that complete the hull without alignment issues. I glued the upper and lower halves together and taped them overnight (the fillets are not yet installed here):

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The skirt/stowage bin fairings cover all but the foremost and rearmost parts of the hull armour apex so there's no need to dress most of it. I used some filler to close the hull at nose and tail:

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The filler is mostly dressed here, it might need a touch more here and there.

Next I moved on to the turret and assembled it in a couple of rounds of work. The dressing parts are very small and Italeri is one ofthose companies that offers you minute components without positive alignment devices, which makes my hackles rise. I make no guarantees about the survival of the turret lifting lugs through the handling between here and the display case!

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There's an interesting story goes with the turret. The bottom lays into the turret with some corner ledges to rest on, but not very well at all. I superglued it and added tape to hold it in place. later, to reinforce the joint I flowed in some liquid cement, but some was carried by capillary action under the tape in the forward portside corner. Naturally, it reduced the plastic surface to a softened, almost rubber-like texture, which was still a bit pliable even after drying overnight. I brushed on some cya to redress it, then filed the surface down so it would mate cleanly to the hull.

As it's a closed-hull build I left out all internal parts, not that there are many. My next jobs are mounting the stowage bins/flank hulls, and the suspension, not sure which order yet. My objective is to get the model structurally complete and ready for paint, then set it aside and concentrate on my StuG IV for 1000 Roadwheels, bringing that one up to the same stage, so I can get them both in the paintshop together and put them into dunkelgelb (Tamiya acrylics all the way).

Cheers,

Mike/TB379

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Posted by M1Carbine on Friday, November 6, 2009 4:08 PM

Nachtflieger......LMAO.  that was great.

 

Bob

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Posted by Nachtflieger on Friday, November 6, 2009 3:02 PM

Bob: Due to the economy, everything in the dollar store now costs $1.50!Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]

Andy: If I remember correctly, Squadron had an "In Action" on German armoured cars years ago. You can still find it on ebay every once in awhile. I also think Cocord Publications might have something too.

I might just order that Osprey book too.Big Smile [:D]

Nate

 

 

 

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Posted by deafpanzer on Friday, November 6, 2009 11:54 AM

Ordered this reference book from Amazon.com this morning... 'German Armoured Cars and Recon Half-Tracks 1939-1945' from Osprey Military.  It was the only one I could find for my 234/1 kit... I like to have reference books while I build & paint my kits.  Is there a better reference book out there? 

German Armoured Cars and Reconnaissance Half Tracks 1939-1945

 If you don't hear from me by Monday, please do not hesitate to call 9-1-1... I am afraid my wife is going to kill me when she finds out that I broke my promise not to order something until after Christmas.  Evil [}:)]

Andy

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Posted by M1Carbine on Friday, November 6, 2009 2:00 AM

Nate, doesent the $1.50 negate the whole dollar store theory...............LOL.  I have to look Saturday at the one here in town and pick some up. The look like they worked out really well.

 

Bob

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Posted by Nachtflieger on Thursday, November 5, 2009 4:09 PM

Thanks for looking Bob. Yeah, I saw these clamps at a dollar store for about $1.50 Apiece, and bought a bunch! They're perfect for things like this.Smile [:)]

Nate

 

 

 

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Posted by M1Carbine on Thursday, November 5, 2009 4:04 PM

Nate, those are some ritious clamps bro...................LOL......that aint going no where, and it will stay GLUED..........LOL.

 

keep the pics coming.

 

Bob

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