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  • From: Connecticut, USA
Posted by Nachtflieger on Thursday, November 5, 2009 3:22 PM

Hi Guys,

I've made a bit of progress on my Dragon Puma. I've completed the first 3 steps. I intend to build it buttoned up, so I'm not going to waste the interior sections as they won't be seen. I'll also be using selected parts from the OUTSTANDING Griffon Models update set for this kit. I am building this at my job on lunch breaks and such, so progress may be a bit on the slow side.Wink [;)] Well, here are the pics. Feel free to comment.

Nate

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Posted by M1Carbine on Wednesday, November 4, 2009 5:16 PM

Im such a dumb SoapBox [soapbox], I should have known that.  Anyway I like the logo.

 

Bob

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  • From: Hobart, Tasmania
Posted by Konigwolf13 on Wednesday, November 4, 2009 5:02 PM

Bob, its not an official logo (yet), just a suggestion as there isnt one yet.

 

As for how to add.

Get a free image hosting account (flickr, photobucket etc)

upload desired image to image account

 copy the [img......../img] url given

paste it into your fsm sig details under profile

easy

:)

Andrew

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Posted by M1Carbine on Wednesday, November 4, 2009 4:02 PM

OK tried adding the logo, dont know if it will work.  If someone could post a "how does Bob do this"  it would be great.

 

Bob

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Posted by Konigwolf13 on Wednesday, November 4, 2009 3:56 PM

logo?

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Posted by M1Carbine on Wednesday, November 4, 2009 2:38 PM

Got some more progress done on the LUCHS. 

Filled al the hull dimples and sanded them flush:

Started work on the axels and suspension:

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Posted by deafpanzer on Monday, November 2, 2009 2:37 PM
It sounds like a very good tip!  Have plenty of ceremanic tiles here from recent bathroom remodeling.  It would be great if you can take pictures while you do this.  No hurry!  Thanks again...

Andy

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Posted by chris hall on Monday, November 2, 2009 10:50 AM
 deafpanzer wrote:

Chris,

[snip]  the suspension and wheels assembly scares me a bit when I reviewed the instructions 

[snip] 

Hi Andy,

I think the trick will be to ensure that the suspension arms are kept straight and level at all times. To this end, I've got a ceramic tile which I can rest the model on at this stage of assembly, and will be using slow-setting polystyrene cement to cement the main suspension components together, and will weight the model while leaving it overnight for the glue to harden.

Cheers,

Chris.

Cute and cuddly, boys, cute and cuddly!
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  • From: Carmel, IN
Posted by deafpanzer on Monday, November 2, 2009 9:30 AM

Chris,

I have the same kit Dragon 1/35 sd.Kfz.234/2 Puma in stock so I will be watching you very closely.  I have a confession to make... the suspension and wheels assembly scares me a bit when I reviewed the instructions so your inputs will be helpful for me to do my build as I am going for 234/1 for this group build. 

I hope to start my kit in a week or two... I need to finish painting the figures before I can clear my desk. 

Andy

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Posted by Thunderbolt379 on Monday, November 2, 2009 5:14 AM

Evening, gents -- Chris, that was a very detailed roundup of the Dragon 234 as she comes, and obviously far superior to the old Italeri. It'll be most interesting to see it come together.

M1 -- the Luchs is a fascinating vehicle, borrowing, as I believe it does, on the technologies and approach of the 234s, and it'll be most interesting to see a Revell Germany armor kit going together. I've never built one of theirs, but have their Panzerhaubitzer 2000 in the stash.

My progress on the old Puma is steady, with the wheels now assembled. I'm modifying the assembly sequence for convenience, and will join the hull halves before tackling the suspension.

Cheers, Mike/TB379

http://worldinminiature.blogspot.com/

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  • From: Hobart, Tasmania
Posted by Konigwolf13 on Monday, November 2, 2009 5:12 AM

I've been able to dig up ALOT more images of the internal's of an ASLAV, so its time to start doing some considering. While I know Most of the main stuff will need to me scratch built using styrene sheet and the such, I'm after some tips for after market kits (if any) that supply stuff like jerry cans (ok an easy one) but also stuff like gas cylinders, fire control, belts, straps, guages anything really (doesnt have to LAV related, just stuff I might be able to put to good use)

 

Andrew

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Posted by chris hall on Monday, November 2, 2009 5:10 AM

Thanks Nate,

I've identified the figures I'll be using with this model. they are:

  • one from Tamiya's German Ammo -loading Tank Crew set. He's the guy dressed in fatigues, bending over as if to pick up a shell.
  • Figurre 'D' from Dragon's Sturmgeshutz Crew Reloading (1941) set. He's passing a shell up to a mate wo's standing above him on the vehicle, dressed in field Grey self-prop crew uniform, though I'll be painging him in late-war pattern Summer camo Panzer dress.
  • Figure 'A' from Dragon's 'Tiger Aces Normandy 1944' set. He's a commander figure, sitting, dressed in Summer camo camouflage Panzer dress as before.

I might replace some or all of their heads with Hornet items.

Cheers,

Chris.

Cute and cuddly, boys, cute and cuddly!
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Posted by Nachtflieger on Monday, November 2, 2009 1:23 AM

Very well done initial post Chris.Thumbs Up [tup]Thumbs Up [tup]

Nate

 

 

 

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Posted by M1Carbine on Sunday, November 1, 2009 1:50 PM

So here is a shot of the "LUCHS"  nice box art.

Sprues

The cleanup begins.

 

Bob

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Posted by chris hall on Sunday, November 1, 2009 9:09 AM

Here we go with the Dragon 1/35 Sd.Kfz.234/2 Puma. Let's start with an in-box review.

  Dragon 1/35 Sd.Kfz.234/2 Puma  In-box review

Title

  Dragon 1/35 Sd.Kfz.234/2 Puma   

Manufacturer

Dragon

Scale

1/35

Type

Injection-moulded plastic with etched brass and turned brass fittings.

Parts count

IP:490; etch 24; turned brass:4

Decal options

4

Kit No.

6256

Price

£47.50

Web Site

http://www.dragon-models.com

 Historical background.

The Puma was, in mid-1944, the first of the Sd.Kfz.234 series of heavy 8-wheeled armoured cars to enter production. Technologically advanced, it featured well-sloped armour and, unusually for a German WW2 AFV, a diesel engine. Fitted with a 5cm main gun in an enclosed turret, some 100 examples were produced. These were assigned to the reconnaissance elements of the 2nd, 20th and 130th Panzer Divisions, and also to the 1st SS Panzers.

Contents

Inside the sturdy, top-opening box, there are 493 parts, of which 19 are marked ‘not for use' on 14 grey injection-moulded plastic sprues. Three further clear sprues provide 16 more parts, two of which will remain unused. An etched brass fret features 24 parts, and there are four separate turned brass width indicator feelers. The lower hull is provided as two individual slide-moulded grey plastic parts.

There are no sink marks or visible ejector-pin marks anywhere, no flash and hardly any mould separation seams.

Two decal sheets, printed by Cartograf, are provided. One is a generic number plate sheet, and includes 2-part SS runes for reasons of political correctness. The 10-page instruction leaflet features a parts map, and  covers construction in 25 stages, and finishing in two further ones. Colour call-outs are in gunze acrylic and Mr. Colour.

I'm not going to provide sprue shots. Dragon's own website does this far better than I could hope to achieve with my limited photographic skills and equipment:

http://www.dragonmodelsltd.com/html/6256%20Flash.htm

Brief description of major plusses and minuses

Construction starts with the complex and highly-detailed suspension. Careful construction will be required to ensure that all eight wheels rest on the ground, and in this respect, the Tamiya 8-wheelers, whose suspension arrangements permits a bit of play, are better. As fitted, this permits only a straight fore-and-aft wheel arrangement, but a few simple modifications would allow them to be set at an angle. The steering linkages are designed to permit this.

The lower hull interior is very well fitted out and detailed, as befits a series of vehicles, many of which had open-topped hulls. Unfortunately, the hull side doors are moulded shut integrally with the lower hull, and opening them would involve major surgery and scratchbuilding. The upper hull interior is adequately detailed, though much of this won't be visible on the completed model, even with the turret removed.

The hull side stowage bins are also moulded shut, but it would be fairly simple to scratch-build new doors and padlocks, and then to pose at least some of them open. Optional opened and closed engine deck vents are provided - but no mesh benath them -  and the other hull exterior fittings are well-detailed. The OVEclamps are moulded integrally with the tools, except for the spade and axe, for which optional clip-free parts are provided. You get six superbly-detailed jerricans,but their mounting frames and straps are provided as injection plastic parts, and are thus too thick for scale accuracy.

Suface detail is excellent, and includes weld beads and cast texture where appropriate.

The road wheels include a spare. Tyres are made from hard plastic, and provided as two halves, featuring excellent tread detail. Two different styles of wheel hub are included.

The turret halves and mantlet are superb, slide-moulded, features, as is the main gun tube. Turned aluminium aftermarket replacements are available but no improvement on the kit part. The turret ring is accurately represented, and not as the traditional bayonet-type fitting. Turret interior detail is limited to a fairly well-detailed breech, but nothing else - no crew seats, radios, ammo stowage or even co-axial MG, though a stub barrel is provided for the exterior. There again, if built as the instructions intend, none of this would be visible on the completed model. 

The etched fret provides a starfish aerial and hull lifting lugs,though the kit also provides plastic alternative parts which are close to scale thickness. You also get etched centre seams for the jerricans.

A quick taping together of the major components revealed no fit issues except for a small gap between the upper and lower hull pieces at the sides. This looks as if it will be disguised by the mudguards/ hull side stowage lockers. If not, it will be easy enough to fill with thin pieces of plastic strip. 

Finish options:

Four are provided, as follows:  

  • 20th Panzer Division in Bohemia, 1945. This vehicle features on the box art, and is finished in Dunkelgelb, with Rotbraun and Olivgrün patches.
  • Unidentified unit (possibly 1st SS Panzer Division) Normandy 1944  in Dunkelgelb with Olivgrün stripes. Note, however, that the decal shet does not contain any Leibstandarte divisional emblems.  
  • 2nd Panzer Division, France 1944: in overall Dunkelgelb with Olivgrün ‘smoke ring' camo - for those who wish to give their airbrushing and/ or masking skills a major workout!
  • 130th Panzer Lehr Division Normandy 1944 in overall Dunkelgelb with stripes of Rotbraun and Olivgrün.

Note that for all except the first of these options, you have to make up your own number plates from the generic number plate decal sheet provided. 

Conclusion

At first sight, this loks to be an excellent, well-fitting, accurate and superbly-detailed kit. There are only a few areas where it might have been better (jerrican racks, turret interior detail, stowage bin hatches, engine deck vents), but fortunately, there are etched sets which address these issues. My only really major gripe is that when I acquired my copy, as a Christmas present a couple of years ago, it was retailing for about £28. The very same kit is about to be re-released in the UK, with no upgrades at all, but this time the RRP will be £47.50! Grr!!!!

Next up, a review of the Griffon Model etched set.

Cheers,

Chris.

 

 

 

Cute and cuddly, boys, cute and cuddly!
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Posted by Thunderbolt379 on Sunday, November 1, 2009 7:02 AM

Hi Frank -- great to have you aboard on this. I'll be interested to see the HEMTT go together, I've always fancied a diorama featuring one of those in a fueling/arming scenario, transfering ammo to one or more Abrams, after a photo in the old Squadron M1 book.

M/TB379

http://worldinminiature.blogspot.com/

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Posted by Thunderbolt379 on Sunday, November 1, 2009 7:00 AM

That's not a bad price at all, especially with the PE as part of the basic deal. I have the LAV-25 OIF edition, I don't remember if it came with PE onboard. I got it about a year ago from an eBay dealer in Beijing, Clarion Militaria. I picked up several orders of brand new Trumpeter kits at great prices, but I think that seller has closed now, unfortunately. I keep watching in the hopes of some more good deals coming along.

Cheers, M/TB379

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Posted by Daywalker on Sunday, November 1, 2009 6:57 AM
Great news that we are a go!  Hope I can finish up a couple of projects soon so I can get cracking on the HEMMT! Tongue [:P]

Frank 

 

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  • From: Hobart, Tasmania
Posted by Konigwolf13 on Sunday, November 1, 2009 6:51 AM
Yes its the trumpeter kit, I picked up the first one at a local hobby shop, that deals more in cars bikes etc (mostly dicast) than military kits, cost me $35 which for hobart is a good price(I didnt even know it the PE stuff at the time), second one I got I had to get orded in by my usual shop cost a little more.

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Posted by Thunderbolt379 on Sunday, November 1, 2009 6:42 AM

Hi Andrew -- sorry they wouldn't let you in! I once had a hankering to be a Leopard tank driver but many reasons conspired to keep me from attempting it. I had the option of mechanised infantry but it didn't have quite the appeal, and life kept intervening anyway.

Never mind, we have models! That looks like a Trumpeter kit -- a reasonable price? May I ask how much and where you got it?

Cheers, Mike/TB379

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Posted by Thunderbolt379 on Sunday, November 1, 2009 6:35 AM

As promised, first WIP shots from Down Under:

It's the Testor edition, blown in grey plastic that's not terribly hard and works easily, it certainly responds well to Testor liquid cement.

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Testors' photo boxing, pland and decals were probably the finest 'extras' ever added around other kits in the rebox trade, they made even Hawk's kits from the 60s look fresh and new. Here's the back:

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I've made a start on the upper hull, adding vision shutters, turret seating deck and the inner compartments to the skirts:

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The running gear has 72 parts, not counting the wheels, that'll be the longest job. Better get cracking!

Cheers, Mike/TB379

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Posted by Konigwolf13 on Sunday, November 1, 2009 6:34 AM
Thanks Mike. Only reason I chose the ASLAV as opossed to say a US LAV is because its a good quality kit at a decent price (I have another one thats part way being built for a diarama. I have a sore point of contention with our army, they dont accept bipolar people, fair enough I guess, but I dont like it Grumpy [|(]).

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Posted by Thunderbolt379 on Sunday, November 1, 2009 5:27 AM

Very tasty-looking build, Andrew! I shall watch this one go together with great interest, I've always wanted an Aussie ASLAV and it's taken 15 years or more for the subject to be finally kitted. I remember seeing one of the early vehicles in the Army display at the 1995 Adelaide Grand Prix, I was a photographer but that was the days of physical photography and I remember only taking a single frame of the ASLAV. I'll see if I can find that shoot, the rear hatch might have been open which would be a research assist for you.

I've already made some inroads on the Testor/Italeri Sd.Kfz 234/2 Puma and I will say that though the Dragon 234s are of course far superior kits, the old molds are a quick and easy build and should be a good canvas for a careful paint and weathing job. WIP pics coming soon.

Cheers, Mike/TB379

http://worldinminiature.blogspot.com/

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Posted by Konigwolf13 on Sunday, November 1, 2009 4:48 AM

Ok, this baby will be my target, with a scratch built interior.

My main refence pics come from warwheels.net, specifically here

http://www.warwheels.net/LAV25Aussiephase3INDEX.html

 If anybody can point me in the right direction or donate some shots that are as good of the interior of an ASLAV (or drawing or plans)  please let me know.

Andrew

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Posted by Thunderbolt379 on Sunday, November 1, 2009 1:34 AM

By my calculations, it has just pased midnight as far over as west of the Rockies, and that means it's November 1st in most parts either already or very soon.

And that means --

Gentlemen, start you turbocharged diesels!

You may slit the shrinkwrap, open the box, cut sprue and generally go crazy! I know I will!

Cheers, have fun, let's build some great models!

Mike/TB379

http://worldinminiature.blogspot.com/

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Posted by M1Carbine on Saturday, October 31, 2009 1:34 AM

Getting the majority of my current build done, should start initial assembly Sunday with some pics.

 

Hey did we get a sig yet????

 

Bob

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Posted by Thunderbolt379 on Friday, October 30, 2009 5:20 PM

Gentlemen, it's the 31st of October here in Australia, so:

  • Razor knives armed!
  • Cyanoacrylate to hot-standby!
  • Tweezers to forward deployment positions!
  • Airbrushes to pre-sortie checkout mode!

I know we're all busy with other builds and our tools rarely rest, for myself I'm working on my Me 262 today, but I keep casting glances at the Puma on the shelf and resisting the temptation to open it till tomorrow! (Or maybe the day after, to be fair to those in the Western Hemisphere... Though we could also all start tomorrow!)

Cheers,

Mike/TB379

http://worldinminiature.blogspot.com/

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Posted by Nachtflieger on Friday, October 30, 2009 3:59 PM

Hi Chris,
I knew you'd love that etched set from Griffon Models!Big Smile [:D] It is awesome what you get for the price you pay.

I'm not going to be able to start on time either as I have a build going on in the 1000 roadwheels build right now. I'll be watching, and cheering everyone else on though!Smile [:)]

Nate

 

 

 

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Posted by chris hall on Friday, October 30, 2009 5:24 AM

I'm in with the Dragon 1/35 Sd.Kfz.234/2 Puma. The Griffon Model etched set arrived from Luckymodel a couple of weeks ago. It's amazing, containig pretty much everything you need to superdetail and upgrade the basic kit to competition standard, and costing barely 1/3 what a similar set would cost from Eduard, and sold through a UK-based retailer.

I'll be adding a couple of crew figures, probably not in the vehicle, but on or around it, for scale. Haven't made up my mind which ones to use yet, though I have several sets f Dragon and Tamiya late-war panzer and SPG crew figures which have figures which would serve. Also the usual items of personal eqipment - may open up some of the stowage bins for this.

Probably won't be able to start on time, though - have a couple of projects to finish first, and a few review builds on the horizon  which have to take priority - but will report back when I do.

Cheers,

Chris.

Cute and cuddly, boys, cute and cuddly!
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Posted by Thunderbolt379 on Thursday, October 29, 2009 6:02 PM

GRIN -- patience, gents! It's October 30th here in Aus, I'll be posting the official 'Gentlemen, start your engines' tomorrow, and the flag drops at midnight -- okay, there's the dateline business, and I believe November 1st arrives first in the western hemisphere -- right? Bascially we can get started this Sunday!

Cheers, Mike/TB379

http://worldinminiature.blogspot.com/

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