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Achtraden! 8x8 Group Build '09-'10

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  • From: Connecticut, USA
Posted by Nachtflieger on Thursday, December 3, 2009 7:49 AM

Lots of great work going on here guys!Smile [:)]

Andy: Your 234 looks great! Love the details in the turret.

Mike: Nice camo on your Puma! That is going to look GREAT when complete!

I haven't been posting much because I've been fighting the flu for the last 2 weeks. I'm feeling a WHOLE lot better, and I hope to do a little bit of painting on my Puma soon. Keep up the great work guys!

Nate

 

 

 

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Posted by Thunderbolt379 on Monday, November 30, 2009 10:35 PM

Thanks Bob and Andy -- I was hoping to get to the oil wash today but it's not going to happen. Ah well, an extra 24 hours curing time for the acrylics never hurts before I start scrubbing at them with enamel thinners! It's been a fun build so far, and I think she'll look the part in the display case.

I should think I'll get to at least one of the Trumpeter contemporary 8x8s as well, this build still has miles to go!

Cheers, Mike/TB379

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  • From: Carmel, IN
Posted by deafpanzer on Monday, November 30, 2009 9:34 PM
GREAT CAMO!  I really like it! Thumbs Up [tup]  You are almost there...

Andy

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Posted by M1Carbine on Monday, November 30, 2009 8:47 PM

Looking great Mike, camo really came out excellent my friend.

 

Bob

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Posted by Thunderbolt379 on Monday, November 30, 2009 8:24 PM

Progress report: I got the olivegrun disruptive scheme sprayed yesterday on my Testor/Italeri Puma. I used Tamiya XF-58 and freehanded it, and was very happy with the result. This is some of the tightest spraying I've done, with virtually no overspray problem. I used the small tip and needle on my Paasche VL, thinned the paint 1:1 and sprayed at 30lpm flow rate, which is about double my usual running pressure for the larger tip.

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I got a nice clean demask on the turret ring, and the tires are done through a template, they still need their edges cleaned up.

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And here, with the tires press-fitted. She's looking pretty good. I might adjust the camo pattern a tad where the hull and turret meet so the junction is less abrupt.

Oil filter weathering comes next, there's plenty of dirt and rust to apply, and the external tools to paint.

Cheers, Mike/TB379

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Posted by TD4438 on Monday, November 30, 2009 6:00 AM
Good looking build,deafpanzer.Hopefully you'll reclaim that barrel from the carpet monster.

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  • From: Cary, North Carolina
Posted by M1Carbine on Monday, November 30, 2009 2:08 AM

Nice work DP, love the looks of t so far.  The primer issue I think is something that will always strike up debate, personally I would tend to think that they used what was on hand\available.  I almost always go with MM 2104 panzer interior buff. I would think that what ever light you had available in inside the vehicle you would want a lighter shade interior color to cast\reflect some light on what you were doing inside, I would think a darker color would absorb whatever light you have and would make it more difficult to see inside. Up top to in the turret I would think the darker primer would suffice to keep light reflection to a minimum. I have also seen pictures of white interiors.  So like I said the primer issue will spark lots of debate.

Anyway thats my 2 cents and by no means am I an expert in this field, go with what you like the best and enjoy the build, thats what counts.

 

Bob

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Posted by Thunderbolt379 on Monday, November 30, 2009 12:51 AM

Hi DP -- stupendous detail! yep, the gap in the tires is an interesting point. The fit of the Italeri tires was closer than that but still left a gap, I pressed the parts close together and dressed the joints by adzing the superglue. I would be interested to know if the gap was actually supposed to be there... The way Dragon's tires are set up, it sure looks like it!

Fabulous work, I'm looking forward to seeing this one move along.

Cheers, Mike/TB379

http://worldinminiature.blogspot.com/

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  • From: Carmel, IN
Posted by deafpanzer on Monday, November 30, 2009 12:13 AM

Here's the pictures of my latest process on 234/1.  I am really loving this Dragon kit...

 

Gas cans are pretty good.  But not too sure about the huge gaps in the tires... should i fill 'em up with putty or Zap-a-Gap glue?  Doesn't look right to me.

 

No question the gun turret is the BEST part of this kit... so much details!

 

 

Only one MAJOR problem so far... couldn't find the metal gun barrell I already bought as it was recommended by one of you guys earlier. SoapBox [soapbox]  For now I am using one that came with the kit until I find it hopefully. 

For now I will stop and wait for that referrence book to arrive by mail before I can paint the interior... red oxide or else? Whistling [:-^]

 

Andy

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  • From: Joplin, Mo
Posted by figure freak on Sunday, November 29, 2009 7:47 PM
very interesting i would imagine on the late war vehicles as the germans were very short on supplies that the interiors would just be red oxide...hmmmm very interesting
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Posted by deafpanzer on Sunday, November 29, 2009 7:31 PM

Hey again, guess what I have been doing for last two hours?  Surfing for more information to confirm the correct interior color for the 234 series.  I found it very interesting that there was limited information because very few 234 survived the war.  Folks in the forums are saying it was done with only red oxide primer and the factory didn't apply another coat of paint for the 234 series.  It happened for a short time before they decided to paint beige or buff again at end.  I can't imagine how red it is inside if you drove one! 

If you can look at the photo carefully... you can see the red interior.

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This book I ordered weeks ago... Amazon screwed it up BIG time with the back orders so I had to order one from evilBay.  My order should arrive this week... I'd be more than happy to scan pictures if you need more details.

 

Andy

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  • From: Carmel, IN
Posted by deafpanzer on Sunday, November 29, 2009 4:56 PM

Thanks guys! Thumbs Up [tup] I was planning to use Model Master Panzer Interior Buff.  Yes, it is kinda of off white with little touch of tan.  I am not sure how much interior we can see as it will be only visible thru the gun turret and opened door/windows.  So I will just go ahead with the paint interior buff then apply little red/beige using a sponsage to reflect chips and wear. 

Looks like I need to make another quick trip to the local hobby shop tomorrow just for the red/beige paint. Big Smile [:D]  P-L-E-A-S-E don't tell me wife...

Andy

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Posted by Thunderbolt379 on Sunday, November 29, 2009 4:31 PM

Hi Andy -- I have no specific information but my best guess is the interior of the hull would be Panzer Beige over red oxide primer. Interior wear on corners and edges would show through to red. I think Model Master make Panzer Beige in their enamel range. I mixed it for my open-hatch StuG IV, in Tamiya acrylics, gloss white X-2 and flat buff XF-57, mixed 1:1, and it looked pretty close to the shade inside the restored StuG III photographed for the Sqad/Sig Walkaround volume.

Great progress, can't wait for pics!

Cheers, Mike/TB379

http://worldinminiature.blogspot.com/

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  • From: Joplin, Mo
Posted by figure freak on Sunday, November 29, 2009 4:31 PM
the interiors of these vehicles is an off white ivoryish color exept in the turret which would be dunkelgelb.  Im no expert but am i right?
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Posted by deafpanzer on Sunday, November 29, 2009 4:12 PM

Guys, made a great process today as the gun turret and wheels are done and I am loving the PE parts.  I need to paint the indoor first... the only biggest drawback for choosing this kit 234/1 is that I have to do more detail painting inside.

Now I need your HELP!  Still without a referrence book and google was not much of help.  Which color should I paint for the interior?  Dunkelgelb (dark yellow) or Panzer Buff (off white)... I know for sure it will be Dunkelgelb inside the gun turret... no question about it. 

I hope I can airbrush the indoor section tonight.  Will post pictures tonight.

Andy

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Posted by Thunderbolt379 on Sunday, November 29, 2009 1:54 AM

A little progress to report on the Testor/Italeri 234/2 -- I sprayed the dust/shadow coat in the wheel wells and underside areas (dark yellow with a dash of brown), and used the template method to paint the wheel hubs both sides. I sprayed the small sealer hubs and the corner indicators off the vehicle to be mounted later, and did one jerrycan in Panzer Gray for contrast.

The jobs get more specialised now: fine the division between hubs and tires with a brush in tire color, spray the green disruptive scheme plus the fade coat, then it's over to oil wash weathering and dust.

Cheers, Mike/TB379

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Posted by Thunderbolt379 on Saturday, November 28, 2009 3:57 PM

Hi Andy -- Yep, that makes sense, a fuel dump would always be in a secured area, so the visors would be up for visibility and airflow, and the engine vents may very well be opened up for cooling. Go for it!

Cheers, Mike/TB379

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  • From: Cary, North Carolina
Posted by M1Carbine on Saturday, November 28, 2009 2:08 PM

Deaf, that kit looks awsome, I have to pick one up.  I think I would leave the engine vents open for cooling as you suggested.  It would be a shame to waste all that good Dragon details. Open up the visors as well. 

Bob

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Posted by deafpanzer on Saturday, November 28, 2009 10:19 AM

Guys, I am back at my desk... my kit is offering several options such as closed or open engine vent and closed or open armored visors.  I plan to build a simple diomara with two figures refueling...

Would it make better sense if engine vents are open for cooling down while it is being refueling?  My reference book hasn't arrived... Amazon.com stinks!  It was confirmed for 2 weeks delivery then at end I received a notification that it is backordered and it will take another 4 weeks to arrive.  I cancelled the order and found similar book via eBay for quicker delivery.

I plan to have all armored visors open while it is being fueled if possible....

Andy

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Posted by Thunderbolt379 on Friday, November 27, 2009 9:05 PM

DP -- a nother Dragon stummer going together -- they're somewhere between intimidating and inspiring! Can't wait to see that turret go together with the PE screens!

I've made some progress on my testor/Italeri 234/2. Here's the turret ring masked:

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I altered some of the masking to better seat the jerrycans into place, and the cans are now sprayed off the model along with the jacks and fire extinguishers. I sprayed a lot of bits for my StuG IV at the same time. I had to get both models along to the paint stage simultaneously. While spraying the accessories I had some dark yellow (XF-60) left in the AB and put a quick coat on the turret to see how it covered over the dark gray plastic. Not too bad, as it happens, so I decided to forget priming:

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Here the hull is fully masked to the last locator point and axle stub, so she's ready for the main coat. Here are both models fully basecoated:

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I'll let the dark yellow harden off probably til tomorrow, then I have green for the 234 and redbrown for the StuG. Then fade coats, being dark yellow lightened and misted on, and a shadow coat under the sponsons of each, dark yellow darkend with brown. A little more detail paint to go and one or two parts to add.

Cheers,

Mike

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  • From: Carmel, IN
Posted by deafpanzer on Friday, November 27, 2009 4:56 PM

Guys, hope y'all had a GREAT Thanksgiving yesterday as I am still feeling stuffed. Finally started the 234/1 kit two nights ago.  Long weekend is going to help me accomplish as much as I can!

Zillions of parts... no question I will end up with plenty of spare parts! Broke two pieces already but no problem at all because there were extras. 

First page... probably most complicated part as it took me a while.

As of last night...

More pictures to come over the weekend for sure!

Andy

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Posted by TD4438 on Thursday, November 26, 2009 8:13 AM
 deafpanzer wrote:

TD4438, thanks for the tip!  It really helps... I was wondering if water really hold the salt earlier.  Again, outstanding job! 

Guys, now I am REALLY ready to start to build my 234/1!  I think I am done with the German figures that I have been working on for a while.  You can check it at /forums/1163670/ShowPost.aspx if you guys are interested.

Water will hold the salt,but it won't stay where you want it to before the salt is applied.It runs all over the place.

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Posted by M1Carbine on Wednesday, November 25, 2009 12:03 PM

Thank you all for the great feedback.

Happy Thanksgiving to all

Bob 

 

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Posted by Rhino92 on Wednesday, November 25, 2009 11:41 AM

Bob,

          Another fabulous build! Looks great!!

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  • From: Carmel, IN
Posted by deafpanzer on Wednesday, November 25, 2009 11:25 AM

TD4438, thanks for the tip!  It really helps... I was wondering if water really hold the salt earlier.  Again, outstanding job! 

Guys, now I am REALLY ready to start to build my 234/1!  I think I am done with the German figures that I have been working on for a while.  You can check it at /forums/1163670/ShowPost.aspx if you guys are interested.

Andy

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Posted by TD4438 on Wednesday, November 25, 2009 9:46 AM
Thanks dude.FYI....I didn't use just water for the salt to stick to.It just wouldn't stay still.I thinned out some Elmers glue,brushed it on then added the salt.To remove the salt,you'll need something stiffer than a brush.I used an old bookmark I had on hand.

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  • From: Carmel, IN
Posted by deafpanzer on Wednesday, November 25, 2009 9:41 AM

Bob- Loved your build especially its camo on the second build!  Well done! Thumbs Up [tup]

TD4438- Thanks for showing us how to do salt/chipping method... it helped me realize how easy it is.  One day I will give it a shot but not this time with my current build 234/1.  Loved your result! Bow [bow]

Chris-Another beautiful work especially the tires! Big Smile [:D]

I plan to start building my kit tonight and I hope to complete as much as I can over the weekend since it will be 4 days weekend.  Happy Thanksgiving... try to go easy on the gravy this year! 

 

Andy

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Posted by TD4438 on Wednesday, November 25, 2009 8:04 AM
Thanks fellas and nice job M1!

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Posted by Nachtflieger on Wednesday, November 25, 2009 7:24 AM

Nice job td4438Thumbs Up [tup]Thumbs Up [tup]

Nate

 

 

 

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  • From: Connecticut, USA
Posted by Nachtflieger on Wednesday, November 25, 2009 7:22 AM

Nice work Bob!Thumbs Up [tup]Thumbs Up [tup]

Nate

 

 

 

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