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Achtraden! 8x8 Group Build '09-'10

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  • From: Weymouth, Dorset, UK
Posted by chris hall on Friday, January 29, 2010 6:03 AM

For main painting, I started, as usual, with a primer coat of Humbrol 140 medium grey.

The subject of my build is a vehicle operated by the 2nd Panzer division in Normandy in Summer 1944, in Olivgrűn squiggles over Dunkelgelb. The Olivgrun squiggles are about 1mm wide, and have tight, but feathered, edges. There’s no way my airbrushing skills are good enough to do this freehand, so I started by spraying the whole vehicle in Olivgrun, using Tamiya acrylics.

I then spent the best part of a couple of days rolling out very thin sausages of white tac, and applying them to the model, in squiggle and smoke ring shapes. They were applied fairly lightly, so as to facilitate feathered edging:

For the Dunkelgelb, I again used Tamiya acrylics, mixing equal parts Desert Yellow and Deck Tan. I usually use Buff to let down Desert Yellow for Dunkelgelb, but had forgotten that I had run out, and my LHS was out of stock. To make it easier to get the soft edges, I reduced the spray pressure to about 10psi, and sprayed at right angles to the surface, from about 6” away. I then added some white to the spray cup, and used this mix to let down the centres of the panels to be painted in Dunkelgelb. As you can see, the resultant colours:

are on the light side, but this is intentional. On top of this will be three or four coats of Future, a burned umber oil wash and three coats of Mattcote, all of which will serve to darken the finish significantly.

I also sprayed the road wheel tyres in Tamiya acrylic Flat Earth, and then dry-brushed them in Neutral Grey. With some of the brown showing through, this makes a quite realistic colour for German WW2-era synthetic rubber. The dry-brushing also leaves the tyre recesses in earth tones, and \I think this looks more realistic than spraying the wheels tyre colour and then dry-brushing the earth/ mud.

Next up – decals, washes, detail painting and varnish.

Cheers,

Chris.

Cute and cuddly, boys, cute and cuddly!
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  • From: Weymouth, Dorset, UK
Posted by chris hall on Monday, January 25, 2010 6:37 AM

Those ships do look good!

Meantime, back to the Puma...

I used the etched set’s turned brass smoke projectors and smoke grenades, because they seemed either thinner or better-detailed than the kit items. I used the kit mounts, however, because the etched items seemed very fiddly for not much extra detail.

Assembling the hull upper and lower halves went routinely enough, though the rear section had to be clamped while the glue set. I considerd replacing the engine deck ventilator vanes with the etched items, but once again found them to be a lot of extra, fiddly, work for not much, if any, improvement on the kit items. I did, however, use the etched grille mesh beneath them.

Things went less well when it came to assembling the fenders. I opened up a couple of the side stowage bins, and made new doors from 20thou pc, using the etched fret locks. Assembling the fenders to the hull sides, however, showed up a lot of large gaps, which I filled with CA and Tippex.  At first, I thought this was down to my lack of modelling skills, but in this month’s Scale Military Modeller International, there’s a build article on the Dragon Puma by Bill Plunk, whose modelling ablity I know and respect. He encountered similar problems, so maybe it was the kit after all!

I wanted to have the rear stowage boxes open, so used the etched items, which are much closer to scale thickness than the kit items. Likewise, and for the same reasons, the spare wheel mount. To give them a rusted texture, I coated the exhaust mufflers with Mr. Surfacer 1000, and then stippled them with a short, stiff, brush, dipped in laquer thinner.

And that was more or less it for main assembly – though there was still a fair bit of detail work to go. Next up – main painting.

Cheers,

Chris.

 

 

Cute and cuddly, boys, cute and cuddly!
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Posted by TD4438 on Monday, January 25, 2010 5:04 AM

I personally would like to see some close up shots of those ships.Can you tell us more about them?

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Posted by deafpanzer on Sunday, January 24, 2010 9:39 PM

I am guilty... haven't done much for last 2-3 weeks.  Thanks to the freezing weather that it was too cold for me to do airbrushing in the garage.  By the time it was finally warm enough, I was busy helping my boys build their racing boats for the cub scout event.  Believe it or not, they won first and second places in best boat designs... it made me very PROUD.  Future modelers you can say as they did great job...

Andy

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Posted by Thunderbolt379 on Saturday, January 23, 2010 9:53 PM

Hi Terry -- great to have you in the saddle at last, and I look forward eagerly to seeing the Centauro go together!

It's been a bit quiet round the eight-wheelers clubhouse in the last couple of weeks, I was thinking of making a start on my M1126 Stryker in the near future to help get the pagecount turning again too.

Cheers, Mike/TB379

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  • From: Dublin Rep Of Ireland
Posted by terry35 on Saturday, January 23, 2010 9:33 PM

Hi, Mike, I've been dropping by from time to time, great GB going on, cool builds so far. I was distracted with work being done in the house.

Well earlier on this evening I finally started the CENTAURO. I hope to have pic's up ASAP.

I'm delighted to be typing this message as I was one of the first to sign up over in armour and pobably the last to start. I hope to get regular posts here and in the Armour Forum.

Terry.

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  • From: Weymouth, Dorset, UK
Posted by chris hall on Thursday, January 21, 2010 2:31 PM

Moving on to the hull and turret interior. The interior detail is very good, and I found little need to replace anything from the Griffon etched set. Most of the etched detail, in fact, just a straight replacement for what you already get with the kit, just a bit more fiddly and often less realistic.  Life is too short, for example, to replace plastic brake pedal treads with etched ones, especially as they’ll never be seen on the completed model.

The kit turret is a bit more lacking in detail, though. The etched set provides turret seats, recoil sield and other gun details, radios, and more, and I decided to use it, even though not much will be seen on the completed meodl, unless you remove the turret. I’m also going to add a co-axial MG34 from the spares box. It’s not the best one I have, but even with the turret off, not much, again, will be seen.

The basic interior colour is Panzer interior cream, with Dunkelgelb main gun breech and dark green seat cushions. I pre-shaded the interior cream in black, with a white dry-brush and a burned umber watercolour wash to further bring out detail. Here are some more piccies:

Pre-shading

 

Hull interior

Roof detail – the vision ports were tricky to assemble. The instruents are made up from individual decals. Though time-consuming to apply, they look very convincing when completed.

Next up – hull assembly.

Cheers,

Cute and cuddly, boys, cute and cuddly!
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Posted by TD4438 on Sunday, January 17, 2010 8:33 AM

The line up of completed builds is becoming seriously impressive.Nice job fellas.

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Posted by Thunderbolt379 on Sunday, January 17, 2010 12:39 AM

Hi guys, it's been a while since I posted here, but I've been keeping up to date with everyone's excellent work. Chris, nice suspension coming together! Ryan, that's a sweet finished build! You'll be pleased to know I've added yours and my own finished builds to the wall of honour in the lead post.

I pulled out the Trumpeter M1126 Styker for a look an hour ago and I'm very impressed -- the company seems to have its act together by this point. I had a poor experience with one of their earlier models a couple of years ago and lost a bit of enthusiasm for their product, which is a shame. The Stryker looks very good, very crisp mouldings, with vinyl tires and a photoetch fret for grills, jerry can racks and the topside blade, etc. The hull parts fit together perfectly at the first dry test. It has the feel of a model that will go together well and be a fun project.

I'm not sure when I'll get to it, i must finish a couple of planes first, but I'll hopefully be adding this kit as my second go round for this build.

Cheers, Mike/TB379

PS: If there's anyone I've missed from the completion gallery, just let me know!

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  • From: Connecticut, USA
Posted by Nachtflieger on Friday, January 15, 2010 3:43 AM

Niiiiiiiice! Love the camo.Big Smile

Nate

 

 

 

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Posted by M1Carbine on Thursday, January 14, 2010 3:14 PM

Brother Ryan.................OoooooooooWeeeeeeeeee....Sweet!  whats next on the bench.  Any more groupbuilds???  Turretless for me after I finish my 1\32 F4F-3

 

Bob

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  • From: Carmel, IN
Posted by deafpanzer on Thursday, January 14, 2010 1:32 PM

Ryan!  I really like your camo... that's the probably the best part!  Did you use airbrush or was it hand painted?  Welcome to our club... I returned to my hobby last year after not doing for 20+ years.  I know the feeling... it was awesome!  Hope to see more of your future builds.  I will do Turretless GB after this...

Andy

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Posted by Rhino92 on Wednesday, January 13, 2010 8:27 PM

Well here are my final shots of my completed build;

I had a wonderful time with this build. I did do some experimenting with my oils as it was my first solo final paint on, this, my second build in 20 years. I have really enjoyed seeing everyones finished builds as well. I am looking forward to my next GB!

-Ryan

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  • From: Weymouth, Dorset, UK
Posted by chris hall on Wednesday, January 13, 2010 4:59 AM

Back in November, I decided to build a Dragon 1/35 Sd.Kfz. 234/2 Puma, with the Griffon etched fret and some Armorscale turned brass shells for this GB. I see that I posted an in-box review of the kit then, but nothing since.

My notes tell me that I started this project on December 6th last year, but I can’t see anything that suggests that I’ve written any WIP posts so far. So here’s making up for lost time.

Assembly of the lower hull and suspension was uneventful. The only change I made was to remove the locating pins on the drive shaft ball joints, so that the road wheels can be posed at an angle. This in turn required alterations to the steering linkages, but nothing particularly difficult. When the suspension had been set up, I placed the whole underframe assembly on a flat ceramic tile, and weighted it down with a couple of heavy books, so that all eight wheels would touch the ground when they wer cemented in place.

Here are a couple of piccies – the first one shows the whole suspension assembly:

And the second shows a close-up of a couple of suspension arms:

Next up – hull and fighting compartment inteior.

Cheers,

Chris.

Cute and cuddly, boys, cute and cuddly!
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  • From: Weymouth, Dorset, UK
Posted by chris hall on Saturday, January 9, 2010 2:56 PM

Hi guys!

Just calling in to say that I haven't forgotten this GB. Some excellent work going on - love Mike's Italeri Puma.  my own Dragon Puma is progressing slowly - things like Christmas, review builds and work getting in the way. However, I've now almost completed the interior, and will be starting on detail painting tomorrow. Construction is about 70% complete, and exterior painting should be starting in a week or so.

Should be able to post a few piccies in a day or so, but in the meantime, a quick query. My instinct tells me to use a MG42 for the Puma's co-axial machine gun. Would this be correct, or should I use a MG34?

Cheers,

Chris.

Cute and cuddly, boys, cute and cuddly!
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  • From: Carmel, IN
Posted by deafpanzer on Tuesday, January 5, 2010 10:05 AM

Mike,

Ditto  I agree with Nate... the camo came out GREAT!!! Yes  You only need to apply dull coat then you are done!  I hope I can do the camo painting as good as you did this weekend.  Unfortunately it is freezing in the garage around 20-30's so I have been not able to do airbrushing or it will screw up the painting job. 

Andy

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  • From: Connecticut, USA
Posted by Nachtflieger on Monday, January 4, 2010 3:17 PM

Very nicely done Mike! I like the way your camo came out! Also, the wheels don't look bad to me. As for the glossy decals; you can seal them with an over spray of Testors clear flat in the spray can. I use it on all of my builds with good results.

Nate

 

 

 

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Posted by Thunderbolt379 on Monday, January 4, 2010 6:37 AM

Hi all,

Gallery photos of the Itaerli 1:35 Sd.Kfz 234/2 Puma -- finished this morning to the last possible detail. The decals are unfortunately glossy, and I don't trust my ability to apply clearcoats at this time, so they'll have to stand. They were also out of register, rare for Microscale manufacture. Nevertheless, a satisfying build and a lot of fun at the weathering stage. I dusted the wheels to semi-blend the rims into the tires and obscure the fact I could neither mask nor freehand the line acceptably, something I'll have to perfect in future.

I guess I can grab my badge now!

Cheers, Mike/TB379

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Posted by Thunderbolt379 on Sunday, January 3, 2010 11:02 PM

DP -- nice masking trick! Must look for something like that in future, these wheels are the devil to work with and I ended up hiding the fluffed separation with dust on mine.

Re the putty, try the white version, it seems to have a longer working time than the green, and is finer. Another trick I've often used is to reduce the putty to a soft paste by "cutting" it with Testor liquid cement, this makes it thin and workable, you can apply it with a flat edge as if you were using a miniature spatula or pallet knife, it extends the drying time further, and you can simply wipe away excess before it dries.

Cheers, Mike/TB379

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Posted by deafpanzer on Sunday, January 3, 2010 10:42 PM

Here's the pictures of my process over the weekend... unfortunately it was slow but I had a GREAT day at the Train Expo today.  Check my posting in the Armor forum... promise you will enjoy!

Painted the tires... thanks to the forum, a guy suggested using a marker cap as a template... I found an exact match which made the painting job alot easier!

 Painted Italian brown as primer...

Applied Mr. Surfacer 1200 to the mufflers... wanted to get 500 but hobby store was out of it but I think it came out just fine.  Tabbed the paint several times to make it as thick and rough as possible for rust effect...

Closer view of the mufflers...

Tell you the truth, I used the putty for the VERY FIRST TIME today... I used Green Putty from Squadron... it was PAIN IN B*TT!  It kept to dry up quickly before I could finish the job.  I am not sure if I have done it right... I tried to cover the openings between the hulls which is the only major issue I have with this DML kit.

Any suggestion how to deal with green putty next time?  I think I need to apply little more as it has shrunk a bit already.

Andy

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Posted by Thunderbolt379 on Sunday, January 3, 2010 9:00 PM

FF -- great work so far!

DP -- thanks!

Update -- the Italeri Puma is finished -- gallery shots coming tomorrow. I just did the last few details, dusted hull and wheels, and mounted the wheels. The radio mast is an unknown factor, I'll need to check some pics to decide if I should replace the kit piece with wire -- I've left it loose for that reason. And the periscopes will get attended to later when I figure out the best way to do all my existing armor models in that area!

Cheers, Mike/TB379

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Posted by deafpanzer on Saturday, January 2, 2010 12:51 PM

Happy New Year guys!

Figure freak- I am glad you have joined aboard!  Looking forward to follow your 234/3... I don't think one of us are doing it.  That's why I suggested earlier for you to join us...

M1Carbine- I think you need professional help!  LOL  Nah, just for for it! Big Smile

Mike- Real good looking BTR!  No question about it... Yes

Nate- Can't wait to see your PUMA! 

I am glad we are seeing more activities in 8X8 GB... I better get my butt back and resume my work as I have been sick with stomach virus that hit everybody in my family and being away from home for the holidays.  I did work on the wheels earlier and will post pictures soon!

Andy

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  • From: Joplin, Mo
Posted by figure freak on Saturday, January 2, 2010 12:42 PM

Hey thanks guys, i wish i could skip the interior but it has the open top on it leaving it very visible from the outside.  I absolutely love this kit!

Today started with doing the upper half of the interior and last night i did the finishing touches on the suspension which i think is this kit's  best part, great detail.

 

 

 

 

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Posted by Nachtflieger on Saturday, January 2, 2010 6:35 AM

I like the look of the turned wheels; gives it more of an animated look.Smile

As soon as I wake up a bit, I will get back to work on my Puma. I don't have a lot left really; I need to whip up a batch of pigments so I can weather the tires, paint the tools, and exhausts, then add some chipping.

Nate

 

 

 

 

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Posted by Thunderbolt379 on Saturday, January 2, 2010 6:24 AM

Hi Nate -- as it happens, no, Dragon engineered a steering linkage into the kit. Not very precise, the whole settup can only be described as loose and sloppy, but so long as the animal just stands there it makes no difference. There should be a bandsaw on the rear starboard side, but I had to shoot around its absence, the part cracked off while I was doing the shoot and there was no way I was going to stop and fiddle with superglue again at that point...

M

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Posted by Nachtflieger on Saturday, January 2, 2010 6:05 AM

Looking good Figurefreak! On my Puma, I decided to skip the interior since I planned on having it closed up. You're doing a great job on yours.Yes

Mike: Love that BTR! Did you have to modify the kit to pose the wheels turned?

Nate

 

 

 

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Posted by Thunderbolt379 on Friday, January 1, 2010 7:07 PM

FF -- sweet kit, I look forward to seeing her go together!

For your viewing interest, here's the one I just finished for No More Excuses -- not an entry for this build but certainly an 8x8. It's Zvezda's (ex-Dragon) 1:35 BTR-70, in Afghan War markings:

Cheers, Mike/TB379

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Posted by figure freak on Thursday, December 31, 2009 2:36 PM

thanks guys, its the dragon kit straight out of the box... heres where im at

 

 

 

 

 

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  • From: Cary, North Carolina
Posted by M1Carbine on Thursday, December 31, 2009 2:10 PM

Hmmmm, I may have to build another............LOL

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  • From: Connecticut, USA
Posted by Nachtflieger on Thursday, December 31, 2009 2:54 AM

Welcome to the build figure freak!

Nate

 

 

 

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