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Posted by DoogsATX on Friday, April 1, 2011 12:17 PM

Question for the group - anybody have any experience with Alclad's new clears? I read a review of the Aqua Clear Gloss that says it can be used to seal the Alclad high-shine finishes (presumably the other clears can be used on the "regular" Alclads?).

Also, in poking around Alclad's site, I just noticed that they say decal setters and solvents are fine on regular finishes, but not recommended for high-shine. And here I always thought they were verboten altogether. Awesome news, since I don't ever have much cause to work with the high-shine stuff anyway. Aluminum, Duraluminum and friends typically suffice.

On the Bench: 1/32 Trumpeter P-47 | 1/32 Hasegawa Bf 109G | 1/144 Eduard MiG-21MF x2

On Deck:  1/350 HMS Dreadnought

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Posted by Gamera on Friday, April 1, 2011 1:34 PM

Doogs: Funny, Last P-47 I built was 'Raid Hot Mama' though I used the SuperScale sheet on the Hawagawa kit:

 

Don't think I've seen 'Magic Carpet' though. BTW: Lifelike Decals from Japan have about five sheets of great P-47s.

Haven't used the Alclad finish coats but I had some of the Testor's Metalizer sealer lying around and used that. Looks good to me, evened out everything killing the excess shine on the decals but leaving a solid shine on the NM finish.

Alterecho: I like the Metalizer but I stopped using it since it's just so darn fragile. You can't use regular masking agents and I kept accidently scratching it. I've had some luck masking by using moist paper, just enough water to make it tacky but not so much that water is running everywhere.  

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by Casper the Chihuahua on Friday, April 1, 2011 4:36 PM

vetteman42

 

... I was thinking the new one should start on May 2nd and go to May 1 2012...

NMFIII May 2nd?! I'm there!

Cheers

On the bench: A-4F 1/32 Hasegawa

Just deployed: F6F-5N Hellcat Nightfighter 1/48 Eduard

Up next: A6-E Intruder 1/48 Revell

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Posted by JMart on Friday, April 1, 2011 4:58 PM

Richard – Ditto on the Eduard Zooms… that how I started my a/c PE adventures. Careful sanding resin, can be quite nasty, wear the same protection or respirator as when you AB enamels.

NMF III – yes! I already know what I will be building (after being tempted by the 1:144Trumpy Badger). I have to get cracking and complete my Revell P51s. Wife visiting daughter in College, should be able to make a dent this weekend at the bench (if she asks, tell her I indeed took care of the yard…).

RedR- Bummer about the tape; which do you use? I find that the painter’s low tack blue tape can be left on for awhile (months) without lifting paint/primer coats. Any leftover residue can be cleaned with GooGone.

AlterE – I use MM metalizers, both with the AB and brush… I am very happy with the results. If I want to take ‘shiny” to the next level, may have to try Alclad or SnJ. I always paint the MM metailzers last to try avoid accidental scratching.

Doogs – Never used A-clear, sorry.

I also have a Trumpy 1:72 Backfire that will take a gallon of whatever metal paint I choose…. No, not yet, do not have anywhere to put it after its done!

 

 

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Posted by AlterEcho on Friday, April 1, 2011 11:28 PM

JMART GAMERA - Thanks for the info. I did not know that MM was so touchy...hated to find that out the hard way.

DOOGS - I read this a while ago, the ALC 600 Aqua Gloss Clear is the one to use for 'high' shine Alclads. Here is the 'bit:

http://web.ipmsusa3.org/content/6-new-products-alclad-ii

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Posted by Heavens Eagle on Friday, April 1, 2011 11:33 PM

There is quite a lot of nice work on here guys.  Am just now getting back into modelling after 20 years off.  Lot of reasons and things.  Still have my ancient stash from the way back (Woohoo the ex didn't get that!) Now some of these kits are never to appear again.  Crying   'Cept I have them in my stash.  Big Smile

No way I can start the build I have in mind for build 2.  Great possibility for NMF III!  What about something like this?

D0335 221reference.jpg.html

 

I have the kit Tamiya and the Aeries detail add on.  (That is one awesome resin add on)

Also this is my first attempt at adding a photo online in quite a while.  Please let me know if it works.

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Posted by Heavens Eagle on Friday, April 1, 2011 11:35 PM

Well THAT didn't work so I will have to try something else.  Stick out tongue

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Posted by Heavens Eagle on Friday, April 1, 2011 11:40 PM

One more try

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Posted by kermit on Friday, April 1, 2011 11:53 PM

Heavens eagle,

Don't worrySmile All beginning is hard for who never did a certain thing before.

Our friend DoogsATX created a how-to blog here:

http://doogsmodels.com/2011/01/27/how-to-post-your-photos/

Hope this will sort things out for youWinkYes

Richard

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm." - Sir Winston Churchill

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Posted by Heavens Eagle on Friday, April 1, 2011 11:59 PM

OK sorry for the repeat guys but here it is off of a new host.

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Posted by Heavens Eagle on Saturday, April 2, 2011 12:07 AM

Thanks Richard I missed a couple of things on that.  Years ago I had an FTP site for photos.  It was basic and simple, but have not done this in quite a while.

 

(Sigh) Hope this works as it is supposed to this time.  Thanks for your patience guys.

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Posted by Casper the Chihuahua on Saturday, April 2, 2011 12:12 AM

Ah, nice one Eagle! I'm doing one of these for the Way Too many props GB. I'm doing the Tamiya 1/48 kit with the Aires conversion with engines displayed. Can't wait to see how yours turns out.

Cheers

On the bench: A-4F 1/32 Hasegawa

Just deployed: F6F-5N Hellcat Nightfighter 1/48 Eduard

Up next: A6-E Intruder 1/48 Revell

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Posted by Heavens Eagle on Saturday, April 2, 2011 12:49 AM

There were actually 2 planes like this.  The 221 that is in the photo and one other the 219. The 219 has only one photo that is not the best.  It is the same colors as the 221 but it is outside and all the ports are closed up. Also the vertical stab is complete.  

Here is the Photo and the color clips:  

The 119 sitting outside

A color plate showing an artists rendition.  NOTE: In both actual photos the front canopy is off or missing and the 119 is also missing the rear canopy.  Both planes do have the front engine installed but the 121 does not have the rear engine even though the cover is closed and the top is on. Unable to tell for sure with the 119 though the right side hatch is open (air intake just above the wing) and the plane "seems" to set a little lower in the rear as if it has a little more weight in the aft part of the plane.

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Posted by Julez72 on Tuesday, April 5, 2011 12:42 AM

JMart
Richard – Ditto on the Eduard Zooms… that how I started my a/c PE adventures. Careful sanding resin, can be quite nasty, wear the same protection or respirator as when you AB enamels.

JMart, Yeah same here, it was the instrument panels and seat belts that first attracted me to the Zoom sets....Some guys are awesome with their fine detail brushwork and can paint stunning I/P's but i'm not one of them so Eduard allowed me to get some nice cockpits for my models...I'm only now just starting to play with resin and i like it......This current P-51 will be my first with a resin/pe engine and gunbay, can't wait for the Verlinden set to show up.....

Hey looking forward to seeing your P-51Yes

Heavens Eagle, Welcome to NMF GB, nice choice with the Arrow, i have the single seat version in the stash and have contemplated adding the Aires or Verlinden detail set to do an on the production line type of vignette.....

 

 

 

 

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Posted by Heavens Eagle on Tuesday, April 5, 2011 1:08 AM

I have the dual engine Aries set for this kit. I picked it up at the local HS they had picked that set up with the 2 seat trainer kit in a trade in.  ( They do that quite often and you never know what will show up on the shelves)

From the photo on the Aeries box it doesn't look like there is much to it.  I was astounded by all the parts that were inside that box.  Not just the engines and engine bays but landing gear wells and the ultra thin cowling covers to go with it.  It was only after studying all the parts for about a half hour that I finally discovered that one of the part sprues was missing.  The front radiator parts were not there.  (UGH!)  I sent an e-mail to Aeries and they said they would send one.  I have not seen the part yet, and to be frank am not all that worried about it.  It has a full coweling around it in the photo so it probably will not be a problem.  If you would like I will set out the set and take a photo tomorrow and post it here.

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Posted by Casper the Chihuahua on Tuesday, April 5, 2011 2:48 AM

Ok Vetteman, I just purchased a 'stang! I've ordered the Tamiya 1/48 P-51B "Blue Nose" edition with a matching Legend productions P-51B/C cockpit set. I'll save this and the Lightning for the NMF III when ever the post for that goes up.

Cheers

On the bench: A-4F 1/32 Hasegawa

Just deployed: F6F-5N Hellcat Nightfighter 1/48 Eduard

Up next: A6-E Intruder 1/48 Revell

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Posted by AlterEcho on Tuesday, April 5, 2011 2:59 AM

Coming down the home stretch...

  Most of the painting is done. I finished hand brushing Future onto the fuselage, this evening. Added brake lines on the landing gear...I know this is supposed to be OOB, but it looked naked without the lines. I will start the weathering tomorrow...

 

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Posted by Julez72 on Wednesday, April 6, 2011 5:30 AM

Heavenseagle, by all means mate post up a pic of the Aires set, thats the one i would probably go with when i eventually make a start on mine...

Echo, yeah you look close to closing this one out, very coolToast looks excellent so farYes

 

 

 

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Posted by AlterEcho on Wednesday, April 6, 2011 4:47 PM

Well, I made a major goof...I applied a decal (checkerboard) that should have not been there. So, I have repainted the stripes, in black, and have started the rest of the decals. At least it is not something that cannot be fixed.

 

 

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Posted by Gamera on Thursday, April 7, 2011 9:36 AM

AlterEcho: Nice! Very sharp, clean job.

Anyway the B-29 as she currently stands:

Sorry about the photos, they need editing but the work computer won't run the editing tool in Photobucket.

Started fitting the landing gear in place. Seems like everything I think I've finished painting I find something else I need to paint aluminum and have to drag the airbrush out again.

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by vetteman42 on Thursday, April 7, 2011 11:05 AM

Heavens Eagle nice choice of subject for your build YesYes I will enjoy watching it go together. NMF III will be starting on May 2nd so you wont have long to wait. Loads of cool builds are lining up for round III already. How were you planning on finishing it ? Paint or foil or ???

Casper cant wait to see what you do with the Mustang or the Lightening.

AlterEcho yup you are in the home stretch now Big Smile I have to echo what was said above you have a very nice clean paint job there. Very crisp masking work too Toast

Gamera SWEET B-29 !!! A beautiful paint job and I like the markings you have chosen a lot. Your build is making me want to drop everything I have going now and start mine. So hurry up an "Git-er-Dun" cant wait to see it finished.

Randy So many to build.......So little time

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Posted by ColGray on Thursday, April 7, 2011 9:22 PM

AND......... its time to unveal the P-51 Mustang minus the final weathering

The invasion stripes are hand painted the cone was handpainted the checkerboard was a pain to align and get it to sit completly down and not bubble other than that the whole thing was an amazing fit barely had to fill anything

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For once im completly happy and do not want to modify it an anyway.... its weird Big Smile

 

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Posted by Heavens Eagle on Thursday, April 7, 2011 10:25 PM

ColGray- Nice looking Mustang there!

Well as I promised here are some pics of the Aeries Do 335 add on. 

First photo shows the back side of the instruction sheet with all the parts that are included.

 

This is the inside of the front starboard cowling part showing the inside of the duct.  Very thin crisp and nice!

 

The 2 engines from the kit. The right one has a metal insert to weigh down the nose and keep it on the wheel.  The other one is for the rear engine located amid ships.  That one will not be used as the plane wasn't fully finished.  Just an empty mounting, with an open side door.  No problem as the entire compartment is included as well!  Yeah

 

The nose gear well.  Finely detailed. 

 

Close up of some of the parts.  The 3 rounded parts are the front radiator.  It was missing when I got the kit. It arrived from Aeries in the mail today.  Took about 2 weeks, not bad coming from the Czech Republic!

 

The back side of the instruction sheet.  Quite impressive and worth the cost.

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Posted by vetteman42 on Thursday, April 7, 2011 11:59 PM

ColGray wow !!!! I would say you have learned very well my friend YesYes Hurry Home Honey is looking fantastic, cant wait for the finished pictures. And it seems you built it rather quickly too for a large scale. I am really impressed with the finish and your hand painting skills. You used Alclad paints ?

Heavens Eagle oh my look at all those goodies Surprise Your Do335 is going to be loaded with detail and will be a fun build to watch for sure.

A quick update on the Streak Eagle before the fun part starts.......the paint job. It is all ready for masking and painting. I made the nose probe on my little lathe out of brass, didnt think I could still spin diameters that small. The tip is only .040 dia, and the antenna in the cockpit on the rear deck was made from a bit of evergreen plastic I had layin around with hard wire in the base to help locate it in a hole I drilled in the deck.

Randy So many to build.......So little time

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Posted by CallSignOWL on Friday, April 8, 2011 7:15 AM

lookin good vetteman, cant wait to see some paint on that bird.

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Now that I'm here, where am I??

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Posted by ColGray on Friday, April 8, 2011 7:26 AM

That looks great vetteman and thanks i actually used model master's metalizers and all thats left is the enamel weathering which im still worrying about because its an acryl paint job and id rather have it the other way around, then the diorama which is going to be based on this painting

 

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Posted by JMart on Friday, April 8, 2011 7:59 AM

Alter E – very nice, getting close for sure!

Gamera – looks good from here!

ColGray – nice mustang, congrats on the finish! I got a small box of rubber sleeves that I use to snug prop cones, bomb ends, etc for paint jobs. Works great for that pesky yellow line on ordnance, etc.

H-eagle – That is one sweet looking engine/detail set…  *drool*  look forward to the build!

V-man – Bird looks good, time for some paint action

Cheers all 

 

 

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Posted by Gamera on Friday, April 8, 2011 8:47 AM

Thanks guys, hoping to finish her off soon!

ColGrey: Sharp looking job! Great looking NM and fantastic job on the annoying decals on the nose. They look perfect to me.

Eagle: Now that's a nice resin detailing set. Looking forward to seeing all that come together. I forgot the start date but you could run your 'Anteater' in LadyOwl's Odd Animal GB as well if you wanted to.

V-man: Nice! Love how the Eagle looks fast even just lying there nude.

 

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Posted by Julez72 on Friday, April 8, 2011 8:54 PM

Echo, looking very nice mate, not long to wait nowStick out tongue

Gamera, very cool build, love the B-29's....Can't wait for round III so i can get stuck into mineYes

ColGray, Job well done on the P-51, you have done yourself proudToast I had trouble with the checker decal on Grim Reaper, ended up cutting it into 3 parts....

Eagle, Thanks man for posting up pics of the Aires set, i see it's as good as the one i have here for my Stuka...When the time comes i'll definatly be adding that set to my 335....Looking forward to seeing that one of yours come togetherYes

Vette, time for some paint eh, been looking forward too seeing how you tackle the NMF on this one...Hey Tyler shold be starting his Mustang this weekend, the Stuka is almost off the bench...I'll have him post up a pic when he makes a start...As for me, still waiting on the Verlinden set to get here "sigh" i'll just finish the Biber while i wait......Oh and the 190 as well....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Posted by ColGray on Friday, April 8, 2011 10:46 PM

Thank you all so much Smile

But for the diorama, it will be my first.. any tips or step by step, like i said i hope to recreate the painting so it wont be arocky terrain or anything too difficult but still i want this to come to a perfect endBig Smile

 

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