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60th Anniversary Korean War Group Build- extended for the duration

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Posted by Dr Win on Monday, April 4, 2011 2:05 AM

Which Andy pepper?? Theres are loads of us!!!

"When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro..."

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Posted by the_draken on Monday, April 4, 2011 2:19 AM

Okay, I've _FINALLY_ gotten around to not only taking photos of the kits I've finished and brought to work, but also putting them on the web!  Here's a few of my more recent ones that I haven't posted to the group.  I still have the WIP of the diorama on an SD card at home, so those won't go up for a while.

Here's the Pegasus M-26:

Next here's the Airfix Churchill AVBL:

Next is the Revell/Matchbox Churchill AVRE/Bridge Layer

Revell/Matchbox Humber and Hasegawa Daimler:  

If you look closely you can see that the vehicle commander is a ginger with hairy arms...

Now the Yak-18 and teh Yak-9P:

The Amodel Yak-18 isn't too horrible, It went together kinda quick and wasn't too badly out of line.  I did have to do some filling and sanding, not as much as usual with Amodel subjects, though.  It has dropped aeilerons from the factory.  Unless you want to cut and reposition them, you're going to be building it gear down.  And they are typically like that when it's on the ground.  At least the vehicle in the Korean War Memorial Museum is the same way.

The ICM Yak-9P is a nice little unit, but you have to cut out the fuselage to make the window for the RF aerial.  A pain in the keester, unless you just want to paint that area silver or something.  Otherwise, not too bad.

Next up is the Monogram/Revell AG F-82G Twin Mustang:

I know, the F-82 is already up, and that's cool, I'm building the majority of these kits for me and my students.  Cool

Here's something you don't see too often, the 1/72 SHQ metal 105mm Airborne Howitzer and gun crew.  I figured that it and the 76mm were probably dropped in the two airborne drops so I purchased and included them.  I've already put up the 76mm.  Here's the 105mm.

 

Now comes my baby...  The Field Aid Station Diorama.  I'm very happy with how it turned out.  I used drywall joint compound for the base on a picture frame.  Then it was spray painted and then some brush paint was used.  The materials on the road (rocks/sand/brush) are all natural materials from outside my apartment, and the 'rice stalks' are from a grass that's outside my apartment.  It's supposed to represent a rainy day at a surgical aid station near the front.  A sign along the road says that the Main Line of Resistance is 2000 yards away.  I made up a unit number (712th) and put it under the 2nd ID.  The two ambulances were already built earlier, as was one of the stretcher units.  The rest of the figures came mostly from SHQ (metal), the house from Airfix, one stretcher case was with the house and so was the radio and operator.  The tarps are kleenex that are spray painted OD green, the water tank is a resin kit from England (can't remember manufacturer).  The rest of the gear and equipment came from all over.

So, anyway...  That's what I've been doing since the B-29 was finished.  I don't know what I'm going to start on next.  Maybe the C-47 or the C-119.  I'd like to have some airborne troops inside the Dakota ready jump, and maybe a vehicle ready to be pushed out the back of the Boxcar.  We'll see what happens.

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Posted by Helo H-34 on Monday, April 4, 2011 2:50 AM

Absolutly AWESOME Andy [Draken]  Bow Down

Everything is just superb ; You certainly have put a huge amount of work into everything .

I like the base for the first aid station , the mud looks very realistic .

Well done sir Toast

                                  John .

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Posted by the_draken on Monday, April 4, 2011 2:57 AM

Dr Win

Which Andy pepper?? Theres are loads of us!!!

I THINK he means me...  I'm holding out for a better offer though.  Angel  Just kidding! 

I dunno who he means, we've all been posting as of late.

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Posted by the_draken on Monday, April 4, 2011 4:52 AM

Helo H-34

the mud looks very realistic .

 

I used Testors' Model Master Vietnam Brown (The printed info is worn off of my bottle, FS34102?) and then for the puddles used the gloss coat in drops.  I then oversprayed everything with men's hairspray (Hey, do I get extra points if the spray can is camoflaged?  No crappin'!  It really is!) to hold the light stuff in place and give it the satiny, not totally gloss sheen.  I've had really good luck with this in the past.  For a flat look I spray Testors' dullcoateCrying over everything, but I can't get spray cans of that here in Korea.  Crying  Right about now, I'd give almost anything for some REALLY good US spray cans, but no one ships them surface from the states.  Damned terrorists...

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Posted by stikpusher on Monday, April 4, 2011 1:54 PM

HOLY MOLY DRAKEN!!!!!! SurpriseDid you ALL of these kits for this GB??? Or are some previous builds your showing on here to keep in the theme? If there are all part of the GB I gotta do some cutting and pasting to get them all on page one here. It looks like Helo John has a competitor for most active builder here...Toast In any case a very nice Korean War collection of yours.

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

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Posted by stikpusher on Monday, April 4, 2011 2:31 PM

Draken here is a good account of the 1st drop by the 187th RCT in Oct 1950. No 75mm or 105mm guns mention, but there are 90mm AT guns and 4.2" mortars listed. Lots of good pics too!

http://home.hiwaay.net/~magro/cicolello.html

 

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

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Posted by the_draken on Monday, April 4, 2011 5:26 PM

Stick;

I'm essentially doing the same as Helo.  I had started building one of everything used in the Korean War before I found this GB thread.  I'm continuing with it because a) I love building models, b) I'm also a history teacher, c) I'm also a military historian, d) it's helping to teach the local Korean kids at my school about their heritage.  Anything you wanna put on page one is up to you,   Big Smile  I'mma build 'em all anyways!

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Posted by manji99 on Monday, April 4, 2011 6:24 PM

I half wish I had time to get in on this GB. I have a 1/48 MiG-15 started that I was going to build for my best friend, since his dad flew one for North Korea. I even have the book that his dad wrote about his defection to the west. Haven't been able to touch the kit since my friend died 4 years ago...maybe I'll just finish it anyway.

Ken

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Building 1/48 P-47G "Doublebolt", 1/48 MiG-15bis, 1/144 B52-I "Old Dog"

 

 

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Posted by tonka on Monday, April 4, 2011 7:52 PM

Draken,,,I echo STIK's comments! HOLY COW!! You and Helo are model building factories!  Some really nice work!

I have lagged on my Chosin dio with some other builds and those dang individual links! At least I finished my Marine fig....

You have motivated me to jump back in!

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Posted by pepper kay on Monday, April 4, 2011 8:14 PM

Dr Win

Which Andy pepper?? Theres are loads of us!!!

Sorry guys ... I'm looking for deafpanzer ... if you're on board, please e-mail me at pepperkay@aol.com ...

Many thanks,

pepper

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Posted by Gamera on Tuesday, April 5, 2011 2:38 PM

Draken: Wow that's some great stuff - thanks for posting it. The aid tent dio looks great, nice job on all the confusion and traffic.

Ken: A N. Korean pilot who defected? Dang that would have to be a great story there.

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by stikpusher on Tuesday, April 5, 2011 3:10 PM

There may have been more, but the first and most famous was Lt Ro Kum Suk, who flew his MiG-15 to Kimpo a few months after the Cease Fire in 1953.

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

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Posted by manji99 on Tuesday, April 5, 2011 8:32 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Kum-Sok

This is my friend's father, No Kim Sok. He wrote an excellent book, "A MiG-15 to Freedom"...mine is autographed with his English name as well as his Korean name in both English and hangul characters. I got to have dinner with him and his wife as well, he is quite a good storyteller...for example he told me how surprised the pilot of the F-86 looked when they passed each other on the runway at Kimpo AFB when he landed his MiG.

The History Channel taped 45 minutes of interview with No Kim-Sok for one of its programs that would compare the MiG-15 bis to the F-86 Sabre. My late friend told me that afterwards they could not allow his father to watch that particular program because they cut all of his negative comments-and there were a lot of them-from the interview...he was very angry about this and rightly so. As a retired aeronautical engineer, as well as a former MiG-15 pilot, he knew the plane very well.

Good luck finding a copy of his book. It's been through about 4 printings that I know of. If you check the article on Wikipedia, they have a link that will help you find it at the local library.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:BookSources/0786402105

Ken

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Posted by stikpusher on Tuesday, April 5, 2011 8:50 PM

Manji, with your particular special personal connection there I  would invite you to join us and complete your MiG kit.  The end date of this GB is on the anniversary of the Cease Fire date in July. You still have over 3 months.

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

       - Plankton

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Posted by manji99 on Tuesday, April 5, 2011 9:42 PM

Then I'd better get to work...Big Smile

Hopefully soon I can get my workbench set back up after I move it down from the Ex's house.

 

Ken

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Posted by Daywalker on Tuesday, April 5, 2011 10:24 PM

stikpusher

There may have been more, but the first and most famous was Lt Ro Kum Suk, who flew his MiG-15 to Kimpo a few months after the Cease Fire in 1953.

http://www.bob-west.com/af/MIG-15.jpg

That's the one I'm building! Yes

Frank 

 

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Posted by the_draken on Wednesday, April 6, 2011 7:05 AM

Heya folks!

Started the C-47.  Anyone got a good link, or pics that they could post of the C-47 in USAF markings with high vis red tail/wings? 

advTHANXance!

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Posted by Helo H-34 on Thursday, April 7, 2011 6:10 AM

Andy , good luck with the italeri C-47 build , mine went together quite well without any fit issue's . Sorry I can't help with any reference pic's for the color scheme your thinking of doing .

I picked up the Heller 1/72 F-86F Sabre with the markings for MAJ John H Glenn "Mig Mad Marine"

I don't have a lot of reference on the F-86 but from what I have read so far , there seems to be two different types of wings , slatted and hard wing . Looking through my stash of F-86 kits , the Academy F-86E has seperate wing slates , the Academy F-86F doesn't have seperate wing slates , is that what they mean as a hard wing ???

I just wanted to make sure the decals in the Heller kit for John Glenn's bird are suitable for a non slatted wing or slatted wing .

I also have on order one of those Falcon Vacuform conversion sets of a P2V-5 Neptune to convert Hasegawa's P2V-7 kit . I have several of Hasegawa's Neptune kits in the stash am I right in thinking that the P2V-5 operated during the Korean War . I have had some success with the Falcon conversion sets in the past , despite the vacuform plastic being quite thin .

As alway's I appreciate any help with my couple of questions , I hope everyone else is getting some good bench time .

                          John .

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Posted by the_draken on Thursday, April 7, 2011 8:27 AM

Helo;

Here's a link to the F-86 pics for Mig Mad Marine on my photobucket account.  A restored Sabre in those markings stayed at the Fargo Air Museum for a period and I took a couple of detail shots.  I have no idea if the leading edges show up or not.

http://s1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa345/the_tunnan/Aircraft%20and%20equipment%20-%20Photos/?action=view&current=MMM3.jpg

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Posted by pepper kay on Thursday, April 7, 2011 9:07 AM

Helo H-34

 Looking through my stash of F-86 kits , the Academy F-86E has seperate wing slates , the Academy F-86F doesn't have seperate wing slates , is that what they mean as a hard wing ???                        

Hiya John:

Here's some info on the wing for you (more than you ever wanted to know :-)

Narrow-chord wing, fitted to early-model Sabres. This wing formed the standard fit of XP-86, F-86A, F-86E and F-86D Sabres.  It was fitted on all F-86Fs up to and including Columbus-built F-86F-25 s/n 51-13340 and Inglewood-built F-86F-30 s/n 52-4505. Finally, it was fitted on all NAA and FIAT-built F-86Ks prior to s/n 56-4116.

The '6-3' wing of  Korean War fame. Extended in chord by 6 inches at the root and 3 inches at the tip, the wing was fitted to F-86F-25s from s/n 51-13341 and F-30s from 52-4505. This configuration was also retrofitted in Korea to many earlier F-86F fighter models, plus a few F-86Es.

Best suggestion I can give is to have a picture handy of the specific Sabre jet you're going to build ... you'll be able to tell if it has slats/wing fences or not, some of them, none of them, blah, blah ...

pepper

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Posted by Gamera on Thursday, April 7, 2011 9:29 AM

Ken & Frank: Looking forward to seeing your captured MiGs. Picked up a sheet recently myself for the MiG-25 the defecting Soviet pilot flew to Japan back in the '80s.

On the flip side, I finished off my second subject for this GB: The Trumpeter 1/48th F9F-2 Panther.

Kit went together great, built her out of box except for a Eduard ZOOM set the kit really didn't need. Only real hang-up was figuring out the whole white bracing on the canopy. Seems it was fitted to later models so it's right for the Monogram kit which is a F9F-5. Oddly it was retro-fitted to some F9F-2s which threw me for a loop. Looking forward to seeing more of your 'Bridges of Toko-Ri' Panther SP.

 

 

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Posted by detailfreak on Thursday, April 7, 2011 10:05 AM

                           Very nice build Gamera.YesYes

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Posted by stikpusher on Thursday, April 7, 2011 3:33 PM

Gamera, that is a real beauty!!!!YesYes I hope that mine turns out as nicely.Bow Down

I have been nickle and diming mine over the past few days. Possibly this evening I will have some pics worthy of posting. I have been concentrating on my Academy 1/350 Graf Spee on my days off these past few days and have been bitten by the ship building bug this past week or so...

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

       - Plankton

LSM

 

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Posted by stikpusher on Thursday, April 7, 2011 4:06 PM

OK, page 1 has been updated with the latest completed builds.106 pages here so far, 41 completed kits or dioramas and still going very strong.Stick out tongue Special thanks to Draken and Helo for a large portion of those 41 completed so far...Wink

Keep up the fire boys, keep up the fire!Toast

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

       - Plankton

LSM

 

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Posted by deafpanzer on Thursday, April 7, 2011 7:24 PM

Stik, you are doing an outstanding job to keep this GB running.  I have been enjoying it very much even tho I am not really into those wingy things but I learned a great deal from you guys.  I can't wait to finish my M24 Chaffee when I return.  In case you didn't know I am still in Florida for the spring break. Cool

Gamera, great work on your plane! Yes  I used to play on that very same plane when I was very young.   It is located at one of parks in Town of Tonawanda just north of Buffalo.  Of course all open spaces have been covered and it was lowered so kids can climb on it easily.  Great memories!

 

Andy

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Posted by deafpanzer on Thursday, April 7, 2011 7:36 PM

I was wrong... the plane I played on was F9-6P Cougar.  They both looked almost the same... here's a nice article of the park about the plane and dedication to the Korea War veterans.  It has been there for 5 decades!!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Town_of_Tonawanda_Veterans_Memorial

Andy

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Posted by tonka on Thursday, April 7, 2011 10:29 PM

John........According to Squadron's P2V IN ACTION, P2V-5 s did serve in Korea running patrol missions late in the war.

try this link to the book online,,great pics and details on the P2V.

http://www.scribd.com/P2V-NEPTUNE-IN-ACTION-SQUADRON-1068/d/20610007

Good luck with it and the Mig Mad Marine,,I have that Sabre in my stash I think from Fujimi ..look forward to seeing your build of it.

Kevin

Helo H-34

I also have on order one of those Falcon Vacuform conversion sets of a P2V-5 Neptune to convert Hasegawa's P2V-7 kit . I have several of Hasegawa's Neptune kits in the stash am I right in thinking that the P2V-5 operated during the Korean War . I have had some success with the Falcon conversion sets in the past , despite the vacuform plastic being quite thin .

As alway's I appreciate any help with my couple of questions , I hope everyone else is getting some good bench time .

                          John .

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Posted by Helo H-34 on Friday, April 8, 2011 6:35 AM

Hey guy's ,

Thanks for the info and the links on the F-86 , one of those sites lead me to this finding this pic ,

There are those small wing fences on the outer portion of the wing , just before the yellow band ; Academy's F-86F has those , so I'll use the Heller "Mig Mad Marine " decals on the Acedemy kit .

Thanks also for the link on the Squadron publication of the P2V Neptune , I had the good sense to order one of Squadron signals P2V in action book  with the Falcon vacuform conversion set . I already had Falcons AP-2H vacuform conversion for a Vietnam Gunship Neptune , so when the book arrives in about a weeks time it  will come in handy for both builds .

Cliff , another gem from your workbench . I like the subtle panel lines and wash in the recesses , your weathering techniques are really excellent . I did notice that the wheel wells are white , this is not a criticism but there always seems to be some debate over Korean War Navy aircraft finished in overall blue . I read some modellers paint the wheel wells the same as the fuselage color and the landing gear struts as well .

I have started one F9F-2 panther which will have USMC markings followed by a similar Navy bird and then a overall silver F9F-4/5 reconn version . I'm just wondering about what color to airbrush the wheel wells on the two F9F-2's ? .

In any case an awesome F9F Panther Cliff , well done Sir Toast

                       John .

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Posted by the_draken on Friday, April 8, 2011 6:59 AM

Heya Helo!

How are you doing the Recon version of the Panther?  Is that still part of the Airfix/MPC kit, or is that another conversion?  I've been trying to get the Airfix kit off of ebay for a while now but keep getting outbid ($15 USD for that heap of junk?!?!  Get serious!). 

I'd considered the Neptune, I have the same Falcon conv set at home with a kit.  But I'd rather leave it in my home collection.  I've also got the In Country resin set for the AP-2H.  I did one of the Falcon conversions for an F-106B and was THRILLED by it.  My only disappointment was that it would have taken too much effort for opening the weapons bay.  I had used the radar from my Revell SR-71 and left the nose cone off, as well as added resin seats and correct control yokes (made from stretched sprue).

I'm focusing more on the aircraft that served from Korea alone, but I'm including a few from Japan (not many).  E.g. the Academy B-29 was SPECIFICALLY "Korean War" so I had to do it!

On another note, I happened upon a movie on the local cable system last night which (WAY TOO MUCH!) dramatized a battle over a school between South Korean Cadets and DPRK troops.  I was happily surprised that the North Korean trucks were correct and they included the use of a BA-63 Armoured Car!  Cool!  I have no idea what the title was, it was just too damned small to read, and they didn't run the credits or anything.  BTW, the battle took place a short time before the break out from the Busan perimeter.

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