Weathering GB - 2/1/2011 - 1/31/2012

Julez72

I've been lurking around in here and keeping an eye on things and i have to say there is some absolutly superb work going on in here

Doogs, if it's ok with you i'd like to finish my Tamiya FW190 A in here, it has been started but there is still a long way to ggo on it....

Done! Which flavor of A? 

Well, it's February 1, so the GB is officially officially underway! 

To, uh, kick things off, I got the canopies sprayed last night, and found out that I'll need to do some filling around the rear canopy before I can go on. Boo.

I also put the prop together. Looks pretty slick on the plane.

Couldn't do much more while waiting for the RLM 02 to dry, so I drybrushed the Sherman (which has made enough appearances now that maybe I should just add it...):

jbrady

Steve: I have to agree with pepper on the fading thing. I add about 25% of alighter color (in this case light grey to the base intermediate blue) to fade back the colors.

Now that looks mighty tasty ... I love that method of 'bleaching' the upper (and sides) surfaces ...

pepper

Doogs: Will you please add the F6F I'm doing... VMF(N) 542 Okinawa May 1945. I'm going to add it to the night fighter build also.

Sanderson 91 and DoogsATX: Steve, if its all right with you, I'd like to model the particular airplane shown in the photo. It is so rare to have a good color photo to work from and that plane cries out to be modeled in that condition. The information I have is that it is a field repaint of a plane originally done in intermediate blue-grey over light gull grey. The plane is the CAGs LtCdr Jimmy Flatley on the Yorktown in August 1943.

Doogs: Last change I promise. Will you add the F6F 3 as well as the F6F 5.

jbrady

Doogs: Last change I promise. Will you add the F6F 3 as well as the F6F 5.

Both have been added. I'm assuming they're both Eduard cats?

Added my Sherman, as well as an ICM Spitfire VIII I'm planning to build as a battered RAAF ship operating out of Indonesia. Scored it for all of $5 on eBay, so I've got room to royally screw it up!

Doogs: They're from the Eduard Royal Class boxing... got it for 65 bucks on e-bay a few months ago.

Doogs, cheers The tamiya 190 is an A-8, i'm also building an Eduard A-5 for the no aftermarket GB as well so i'll post up the odd pic of that one as i go...The spitfire MK VIII is still my prime build for this GB but it will have to wait until later in the year, i still have to order the Aires merlin for that one....

How are you finding the Eduard 109??? The 190 is a tricky little kit but the detail is superb... Your Sherman looks very nice, the drybrushing came out greatdrybrushing is a skill that i've struggled with..

Cowling is bit of a pita. Took a while to get a somewhat close fit.

Now I hope I can get the exhaust stubbs in. For some reason the instruction call for them to go in before the cowling... they'd be bear to mask if I did it that way.

jbrady

Sanderson 91 and DoogsATX: Steve, if its all right with you, I'd like to model the particular airplane shown in the photo. It is so rare to have a good color photo to work from and that plane cries out to be modeled in that condition. The information I have is that it is a field repaint of a plane originally done in intermediate blue-grey over light gull grey. The plane is the CAGs LtCdr Jimmy Flatley on the Yorktown in August 1943.

Doogs: Last change I promise. Will you add the F6F 3 as well as the F6F 5.

jbrady - go for it!  I think that it's a great picture and you should be able to build up a nice F6F-3.  I like the F4F - I think I'm going to what you did and mist several lightened shades of the sea blue and intermediate blue.

Doogs: I agree that the insignia as a whole is still too dark and needs to be toned down.  I'm going to let the oils set a few more days then cover with future.  I am going to take jbradys advice and try to mist on several lighter colors of the sea blue and intermediate blue once the future is cured.  After that, I'll apply a pin wash of burnt umber to darken the panel lines as well as give it a bit of a dirty appearance as well.  I know what I want to do I just hope that I can pull it off!  Thanks!

Steve

Looking forward too seeing these Hellcats finished...Love that plane

WIP pic of the Tamiya office...

I know this is the first day of the GB but can I post a Ford F-150 that I just completed.

Bob

Robert 92562: You gotta tell us how you did that man. I'm still not sure its not a real truck.

Julez72

Doogs, cheers The tamiya 190 is an A-8, i'm also building an Eduard A-5 for the no aftermarket GB as well so i'll post up the odd pic of that one as i go...The spitfire MK VIII is still my prime build for this GB but it will have to wait until later in the year, i still have to order the Aires merlin for that one....

How are you finding the Eduard 109??? The 190 is a tricky little kit but the detail is superb... Your Sherman looks very nice, the drybrushing came out greatdrybrushing is a skill that i've struggled with..

The 109's been pretty good so far. This is my first "modern" Eduard kit, and I'm kinda surprised that they're still so vague with locating tabs and indents and the like. I'd have preferred a more solid fit, especially on some of the fiddly parts like the stabilizer supports, but for the most part it's pretty awesome. Though I think Dragon's new E-4 eats its lunch (and could be built into an E-7 Trop if they'd included the tropical filter...everything else is there)

I've got an Eduard 190F-8 in the stash...looks like an absolute monster of a kit, especially side by side with the Tamiya. 

Julez - the 190's looking good - are those Eduard belts? 

jbrady - First the 109 and now your Hellcat - Eduard seems to have cowl issues!

Robert92562 - That's one slick looking F-150! Unfortunately I can't put it on the front page since this GB is all about WIP pics and "seeing behind the magic", as it were. But I'd love if you could expound a bit on your process, and by all means dive in with another!

Doogs: I don't understand why they didn't mold the cowl in two pieces instead of three. There are no positive locators, it's like trying to stand three playing card on their sides end to end with no supports. Kind of wierd because one of the strengths of the kit is the shape of the chin. It's taking some very careful sanding not to change the shape of the nose.

jbrady

Doogs: I don't understand why they didn't mold the cowl in two pieces instead of three. There are no positive locators, it's like trying to stand three playing card on their sides end to end with no supports. Kind of wierd because one of the strengths of the kit is the shape of the chin. It's taking some very careful sanding not to change the shape of the nose.

Crap, don't tell me that, I've got three of them Hellcats in the stash!

I'm starting to think the lack of positive location is an Eduard thing. My Yak-3 didn't even HAVE locator tabs. At all (even on the gear struts...). But it was dead-simple so it didn't matter. More complicated kits like the Hellcat or 109 and yeah, your playing card analogy is dead on.

Doogs: wait until you try to get the dihedral on the wings right. I had to walk away from the bench and shut down for the night... think I got it though... medium super glue when it sets flood the joint with plasti weld. I wish they had included at least one head-on shot. It would make me feel a lot better if I had something to reference.

jbrady: just Google "f6f hellcat"..... you are sure to get some 3 view drawings that include a head on shot.  

Owl: Been doing that for an hour. I get a lot of text about the reason for the gull wing design. More stuff about a proposal for a change in wing design to eliminate the gull wing. And every picture, drawing, diagram is either top, bottom, side, or a quartering view. This is what I came up with. I haven't used the plasti-weld yet so If I find something between now and the next round of shoveling I can pop them off.

CallSignOWL

jbrady: just Google "f6f hellcat"..... you are sure to get some 3 view drawings that include a head on shot.  

Sometimes the quickest way to Google a pic/image is to use Lycos!

Thanks owl you saved me on that one.

For the next Hellcat, I've read that a people have found it easier to install the wings before joining the fuselage halves. Haven't built one yet so I don't know, but it could work I guess?

Not much to report on my end. It was COLD last night. Yeah, I realize Austin's 18 degrees/0 wind chill is peanuts for those living up north, but keep in mind that I work in my garage, not some cozy basement. Didn't want to break out airbrush, so I confined myself to puttying the rear canopy area on the 109 and working on the Sherman.

I started the filtering last night...

The cold's supposed to be around for several more days, so the 109 is probably stalled out until it eases up somewhat. Guess in the meantime I'll be working on the Sherman and maybe breaking into another armor kit (or something that doesn't need priming/painting right away!).

Doogs: The Sherman looks great. How much are you gonna beat up on it?

I've read that about installing the wing on each side before you button it up but I don't see how that helps. There is no access to the wing root from the inside of the fuselage... open up one of the kits and look at the fuselage pieces, you'll see what I mean.

Don't get me wrong, I really like this kit. The problems are easily fixed with a little patience. I used Google Images this morning and this is what I found. I think I got it right.

Back to shoveling

DoogsATX

I'm starting to think the lack of positive location is an Eduard thing. My Yak-3 didn't even HAVE locator tabs. At all (even on the gear struts...). But it was dead-simple so it didn't matter. More complicated kits like the Hellcat or 109 and yeah, your playing card analogy is dead on.

Yep it's exactly the same on the Eduard FW190 A-5, i was struggling last night to fit the dashboard thingy...It's engine cowl is also in 4 seperate peices but the fit isn't an issue if you plan to show off the BMW801 that comes with it....

Doogs, that sherman is looking sweet, great job on the weathering

jbrady

Doogs: The Sherman looks great. How much are you gonna beat up on it?

Thanks! 

Not sure exactly how far I'm going to take things with the Sherman...I'm kinda sorta following the lead of a series of articles FSM published a few months back, but I'm certainly planning on some dot filtering for stains, some misted coats of Tamiya Buff and Brown for dust, pigments on the tracks and wheels, etc. 

Basically I'm just trying to get a sense of what works and doesn't with armor. Figure I'm going to take on a Tamiya KV-II next, before moving up to some of the big boy kits I've got in the stash (Tasca M4A3(76)W, AFV Club Achilles, Dragon T34/76, Dragon Tiger I). I've got PE and friuls for the KV, so it'll be good practice on the AM front...

I've yet to try any of Eduard's WWII subjects, but their WWI stuff over the past ten years or so doesn't seem to have a lot of the issues you fellas are talking about.

Doogs, the Sherman is looking awesome! What is this filtering technique you mentioned?

ruddratt

I've yet to try any of Eduard's WWII subjects, but their WWI stuff over the past ten years or so doesn't seem to have a lot of the issues you fellas are talking about.

Doogs, the Sherman is looking awesome! What is this filtering technique you mentioned?

Thanks ruddratt!

The filtering I'm talking about is basically a filter wash. About a pencil eraser-size amount of Winton & Newton raw umber artist diluted with Mona Lisa odorless thinner. Mixed it in one of those artist palettes with the shallow plastic bowl indentions, then brushed it on with a wide brush. The ratio's probably about twice as strong as the one I used on my P-47, but I'm liking the effect on the Sherman so far.

Which Eduard WWI subjects would you recommend as particularly good? Always see them at the LHS but have never bought for fear of rigging!

Well, I got a fair bit done but I'm having some serious PC problems at the moment and don't know when complete failure will happen.

I just want to post quickly some progress photos.

These are what I had done 'till yesterday, I got work done tonight  but can't work on the images yet.

I used lifecolor dust and rust set to create these rust effects. More work is needed.

The upper and lower interior just lined up to make sure the weathering is following some kind of line.

The inner roof section, the effect I'm trying to get is of a vehicle  a couple of years old exposed to a salt water enviornment.

There are several roof hatches which will be left open and I want the viewer to see something other than a bland interior.

Sorry again for the quickness of the post but its late and this machine needs a full re-install.

 thanks for looking, all comments welcome,

Regards,

Terry.

Due to PC problems at the moment I am afraid to spend too much time online, I will get a better chance to read the thread and get some responses at the weekend. Don't want to seem rude, I see people making progress and would love a chance to read through properly.

Terry.