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Posted by fightnjoe on Wednesday, February 4, 2004 5:20 PM
finally, my p-40 is on the way. i am ready to begin building it.

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Posted by scottrc on Wednesday, February 4, 2004 10:13 AM
Hi,
I'm a newbie to this Group build thing so bear with me!!!!

Hope it's not too late to get started???? I have been waiting for weeks for a PE set from Great Models for a 1/32 Corsair just to find out I didn't meet their $10.00 min order so they were holding it. I had them throw in a HC P-36 to seal the deal since thats a favorite of mine. Acording to Nick I may have a fit (pun intended) over the wheel well, of well, for $12, I get what I paid for. I may have to go with the kit decals, all the decals at Great Models are on a 6 to 8 week back order. No surprise, I have been waiting 3 months for Major Decals 1948 1/48 stars and bars. They also said the P-36 is on back order but would try to expidite it so I can get it within the next two weeks.

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Posted by djmodels1999 on Tuesday, February 3, 2004 4:40 PM
At last, I got my model in the mail this morning. It's, as planned, Special Hobby's 1/72 SB2U Vindicator. The kit looks very well molded, finely engraved with plenty of details, even under that long greenhouse of a canopy. There are resin bits with the kit. And the decals look real cool! I have a couple of important projects to complete first, but it should not be that long before I tear open that plastic bag..!
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Posted by tempestjohnny on Tuesday, February 3, 2004 1:20 PM
I seem to be the only one doing a VAL. It is coming along wings are on and in primer. arrghh&^*%$% just realized I don't have any IJN Grey sooo off to the LHS tomorrow.
I am doing the No1 AC 21st Section 1st Squadron from the Soryu. This is a very colorful aircraft black cowling, green topside, grey bottom, and tail section is bright red with yellow and blue markings. JOHN

 

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Posted by nmayhew on Tuesday, February 3, 2004 11:03 AM
hmmm...not much progress recentlyDisapprove [V].
all i've managed to do is spray the top side of my p-40 with metallic grey, in preparation for using swanny's salting technique...could be quite interesting!![:0]
won't be able to do anything this weekend either as i'll be in moscow on a party weekend!!Big Smile [:D]
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, February 2, 2004 11:28 PM
I have that same Tamiya Zero kit. I haven't started as I am not sure what color the interior of the A6M2 was. I primarily use acrylics. MM preferably though Tamiya paints are also stocked at the local shop.
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, February 2, 2004 3:36 PM
yup, I surfed it for a few, but I'll be taking a little more indepth look tonight. Thanks for the sight fightnjoe!
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Posted by fightnjoe on Monday, February 2, 2004 3:00 PM
ajacketsfan

i havent even purchased mine yet so late would be relative. did you find what you needed on that site?

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, February 2, 2004 2:57 PM
Here's the Zero, I'm going to build it and then perhaps I'll drag out the SBD...
At this rate I won't be started before the rest of you are finished... oh well.

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, February 1, 2004 5:51 PM
Thanks Joe! I'll check that sight out for sure... I may do a Zero, and an SBD then.
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Posted by fightnjoe on Sunday, February 1, 2004 5:04 PM
ajacketsfan,

my search did not take me as long as i thought. sbd's were involved in the attack. the enterprise scout squadron 6 was inbound and got caught up in the second wave. 18 a/c were involved, 15 were sbd's. the best place to go for info is http://www.cv6.org/ship/logs/ph/ you should find everything you need there.


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Posted by fightnjoe on Sunday, February 1, 2004 3:29 PM
Originally posted by AJACKETSFAN

I'm having trouble finding appropriate markings for a Pearl Harbor SBD Dauntless, I can't find any pix of which markings/identififcation.


let me do some looking in my files. some of the a/c off the carriers was inbound to ford island at the time of the second wave. not sure of the type will have to look. may be able to help on plane numbers and such also. give me a day or so.

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Posted by nmayhew on Sunday, February 1, 2004 12:45 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by obiwan

Almost completed the cockpit already...

Does anyone know how to pose the rear gunner's seat of the Kate
into the fighting position?
can't seem to find the answer anywhere.


hmmm, you got me there i'm afraid obi wan. sorry i can't help.Disapprove [V]
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, February 1, 2004 8:51 AM
Erh Obi which part are u in malaysia , knew any good Hobby shop supply PE and resin stuff ? do u go to HObby HQ ? Low' s place

Knew anyone from sabah ? im from sabah
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Posted by obiwan on Sunday, February 1, 2004 4:29 AM
Almost completed the cockpit already...

Does anyone know how to pose the rear gunner's seat of the Kate
into the fighting position?
can't seem to find the answer anywhere.
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, January 31, 2004 8:44 AM
That's what I thought at first look, too, John. RLM 02 is more "green," however. Shifting the hue of RLM 02 towards the IJN color would be more difficult than starting with tan. (Red, yellow & white would have to be added to RLM 02)
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, January 30, 2004 5:25 PM
QUOTE: To my knowledge, only White Ensign Models produces this color. I'm going to mix mine. Hope this helps those building Zekes !


It looks like RLM 2!!![:0][:0]
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Posted by nmayhew on Friday, January 30, 2004 5:30 AM
hmmm...i heard that as well about the japs not using IJN grey at pearl, but i think that if i ever repaint my zero i made a while back (in the pre-future, slivering days!![:0]), i'd still use the IJN grey that say polly scale provides...me mixng paints is a recipe for disaster!!Blush [:I]
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, January 29, 2004 9:20 PM
Here's the tail codes & colors of the Pearl Harbor Zekes. The reds are the same as the Hinomaru color, orange-yellow same as IJN/IJA leading-edge ID color. Blue resembles "true blue."

http://photopile.com/photos/blackwolfscd/pix001/87517.jpg

This is a link to the actual color of the Zekes at Pearl. They were not painted in IJN gray.

http://j-aircraft.com/research/jimlansdale/pearl/jimlpearl.htm

To my knowledge, only White Ensign Models produces this color. I'm going to mix mine. Hope this helps those building Zekes !
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Posted by Aurora-7 on Thursday, January 29, 2004 10:59 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by AJACKETSFAN

I was thinking of getting a "Zeke" to do. Tamiya has one, but I'm not sure if it's appropriate markings, how close do I have to come. I mean to me it's important but, time is at a minimum right now.


I have the Tamiya kit and I'm using it for this build. I'm using a third party decal sheet for Zuikaku markings. I think the Tamiya kit comes with Akagi marking for the Pearl mission but I'll have to check when I get home tonight to be sure.

 

 

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, January 29, 2004 10:48 AM
Adam - if I'm not mistaken, the SBDs were aboard the carriers, which were fortunately not in Pearl at the time of the attack.

The Zeke flown in the attack was the A6M2 type 21. The Tamiya kit is less expensive than the Hasegawa kit, has raised panel lines and is less detailed than the Hasegawa offering. I have some markings info that shows tail codes from the Akagi, Kaga, Hiryu, Soryu, Shokaku & Zuikaku. These were the six Japanese carriers that were used at Pearl Harbor. There is a Hasegawa kit that includes markings to build any of the planes used in the attack.

Hope this helps.
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, January 29, 2004 10:34 AM
I'm having trouble finding appropriate markings for a Pearl Harbor SBD Dauntless, I can't find any pix of which markings/identififcation. I was thinking of getting a "Zeke" to do. Tamiya has one, but I'm not sure if it's appropriate markings, how close do I have to come. I mean to me it's important but, time is at a minimum right now.
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Posted by nmayhew on Thursday, January 29, 2004 4:53 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by obiwan

i don't think that would be a problem.
if it smells like a duck , looks like a duck ,feels like a duck...
it has to be a j2f-6!


ahh yes, but does it quack like a duck?!
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Posted by obiwan on Wednesday, January 28, 2004 6:49 PM
i don't think that would be a problem.
if it smells like a duck , looks like a duck ,feels like a duck...
it has to be a j2f-6!
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, January 28, 2004 4:59 PM
is it alright if i do a j2f-6 duck. They didnt get created until 1942 but earlier variants such as j2f-4 or 5 were at pearl. Reason is i would convert it but they dont sell cowls for it.
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Posted by obiwan on Wednesday, January 28, 2004 11:22 AM
nice He219 pix .You did that beautifull and gracefull plane
justice.I'm sure tamiya will provide replacements for
the missing parts.

on another note..finally started painting the cockpit of my kate.
weird yellowy green colour too.however the kit looks very
promising.

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Posted by fightnjoe on Monday, January 26, 2004 9:04 PM
thankyou pixilater, you and the others are proving to be a wonderful source of information on both history and modeling.

benne911, your question on the j2f may be answered or at least partially answered at http://www.nastillamook.org/gallery/aircraft/index.htm at least i hope this helps somewhat.

joe

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, January 26, 2004 8:03 PM
fightinjoe - a good source for decals is :

http://eaglestrikeproductions.com

You can do a search there by type & scale. These usually show you the profiles, in color, along with info (useful to find out if the markings were at Pearl). They can be found discounted at many on-line hobby shops, such as Squadron & Great Models.

Yope you find them.
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Posted by fightnjoe on Monday, January 26, 2004 7:31 PM
this question has most likely been asked but here we go again. where do i find either usaac fighter markings (black), the early insignia usaac, or if all else fails black decal sheets.

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, January 26, 2004 2:47 PM
And also, do the planes need to be serially numbered like they were on dec 7 or do they just just have to be the same variants such as a p-40 b or c??because when i saw the pby on a previous page, i wondered if those were correct markings from dec.7 or earlier.
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