The Official F-4 Phantom II Group Build 2011

berny13

Glenn, nice looking Phantom.  You are right about the wing tanks.  It does look like they are pointing down too much.  It could be just the photograph but it looks like the tank pylon isn't the proper shape.  If you need a set of proper tanks I have a box full in 1/48 scale 370's, so I can send you a set if you want them. 

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I just went back to page one and saw where it is 1/72 scale.  I don't have anything in that scale that would help you.  Sorry about that.

Thanks, Berny. I knew when I put those bad boys on that they weren't right, still better than what came in the Revell box, but not 100%. Quick fix will be to saw a diagonal at the top of the pylon mount to get the noses up. Kit bashing quandries!

Listen, I'll be praying for you. My father-in-law is in the midst of fighting cancer himself, and it's been hard to watch him go through it. We're still holding out for a remission, and I hope yours goes away speedily. Take care!

Glenn

Bockscar

 

 

Berny,

I ask for purely selfish reasons, would it be an idea to show your wife how to login here to keep us all updated this week, just in case you are missing in action due to extensive surgery, I'm assuming you are going to feel like a bear with a sore neck.....just wondering.

That is a great idea Dominic.  I am sure everyone here would like to be kept informed about you Berny.

Ken

berny13

Thanks for the well wishes everyone.  The doctor wanted to do surgery Friday but the wife was still away to training.  She wasn't due back until Saturday but the class had only a half day Friday so the group cought a late flight and came home Friday.  Due to bad weather her flight was delayed and by the time it landed here they went on a weather hold due to lightning and couldn't off load the baggage.  I had to break the news to her on the drive home.  What a way to spend our anniversary. 

I plan on winning this battle.  I won the last one and have been free of lung cancer for five and a half years.  It is necessary to remove this one because it can spread to other parts of the body.  I am going to be around for many years to come. 

Berny,

I ask for purely selfish reasons, would it be an idea to show your wife how to login here to keep us all updated this week, just in case you are missing in action due to extensive surgery, I'm assuming you are going to feel like a bear with a sore neck.....just wondering.

Ken:

That's fantastic, I see why you needed the shelf. I think you could paint a real Phantom with the collection you've amassed.

The only thing I've got more of than you is Alclad, I have about a half pint of aluminum and black lacquer. That's about 6 reasons my desk is such a mess!

Hi Everyone,

I put my shelves up, sorted my paint, and placed them on the shelves.  Here is a couple of pictures:

I have a lot more room now on my bench and finding the color and type of paint will be a breeze.  Very much worth the effort.

Ken

Wow Berny, I don't know what to say.....

berney im so sorry to hear about that.  i just want to let you know that you are not alone in this. you have family in FLA. and here as well.keep us in the loop and we are all here for you.

berny13

I got the results from the biopsy and it isn't good.  My doctor told me it is cancer, a fast growing, fast spreading, very dangerious type.  I got the results Thursday afternoon.  I had my pre-op Friday and will have the mass removed from my neck Monday morning.  I go see my chemo doctor on Wednesday to discuss my options. 

How's your wife managing? 

All the best for you tomorrow morning. We are with you all the way! 

Berny.  I am so sorry..  I hope they can get it all.  On the positive side, treatments for Cancer have vastly improved in the last 10 years.  Now they have stuff like that directed radiation treatment and better Chemo.  We're all wishing you the best of luck.  Keep us posted as much as you can.

Best Wishes

Rich and Family

berny13

I got the results from the biopsy and it isn't good.  My doctor told me it is cancer, a fast growing, fast spreading, very dangerious type.  I got the results Thursday afternoon.  I had my pre-op Friday and will have the mass removed from my neck Monday morning.  I go see my chemo doctor on Wednesday to discuss my options. 

Thanks for the well wishes everyone.  The doctor wanted to do surgery Friday but the wife was still away to training.  She wasn't due back until Saturday but the class had only a half day Friday so the group cought a late flight and came home Friday.  Due to bad weather her flight was delayed and by the time it landed here they went on a weather hold due to lightning and couldn't off load the baggage.  I had to break the news to her on the drive home.  What a way to spend our anniversary. 

I plan on winning this battle.  I won the last one and have been free of lung cancer for five and a half years.  It is necessary to remove this one because it can spread to other parts of the body.  I am going to be around for many years to come. 

Glenn, nice looking Phantom.  You are right about the wing tanks.  It does look like they are pointing down too much.  It could be just the photograph but it looks like the tank pylon isn't the proper shape.  If you need a set of proper tanks I have a box full in 1/48 scale 370's, so I can send you a set if you want them. 

Edit

I just went back to page one and saw where it is 1/72 scale.  I don't have anything in that scale that would help you.  Sorry about that.

Berny, that is bad news,,,,,,,do the best you can with your fight,,,,,we're here in your corner

I hate the C word

Rex and Anne

So sorry to hear the results were bad Bernie. You will be in our prayers and hopes for a good outcome and full recovery.

Steve

Just back from a day away and I'm so sorry to hear the bad news on the board. Rich -- that's such a mean trick for them to play, it makes me see red. I hope the problem can be sorted soon and a new place comes along, you all sure deserve it. Berny -- I'm so dang sorry to hear that, and I think I speak for everyone here when I say you're in our thoughts and prayers, and that we're pulling for a completely effective treatment regimen that'll stop this thing in its tracks. I watched my Dad go through cancer many years ago, so have an inkling of what it's about.

With best wishes, Mike/TB379

berny13

I got the results from the biopsy and it isn't good.  My doctor told me it is cancer, a fast growing, fast spreading, very dangerious type.  I got the results Thursday afternoon.  I had my pre-op Friday and will have the mass removed from my neck Monday morning.  I go see my chemo doctor on Wednesday to discuss my options. 

Oh Berny.  I am so terribly sorry to hear that.  There are no words to describe how bad I feel for you.  I sincerely hope that it can be stopped.  I was hoping that since we did not hear back from you right away that it was because you were celebrating good news.  I can hardly type this because I am so upset.  I wish there was something I could do to help.

Ken

I got the results from the biopsy and it isn't good.  My doctor told me it is cancer, a fast growing, fast spreading, very dangerious type.  I got the results Thursday afternoon.  I had my pre-op Friday and will have the mass removed from my neck Monday morning.  I go see my chemo doctor on Wednesday to discuss my options. 

Rich:

Never in US history have the banks been so retentive about lending and the credit bureau's will hang up a deal for a mislaid dollar. I can't get into p*l*t*cs, so that's about all that is appropriate to say. It's not your guy's fault, but you have to wear it and bear the hardship, and there really isn't a whole lot you can do about it within your time frame. 

You are in our thoughts, so much plop has hit the blades recently I wonder how people get through it without all of their hair being voluntarily pulled out in frustration.

Thanks for the Crap-A-Gap info, I'll avoid it.

What really ticks me is we were pre-approved, we had spent 6 months looking for a house, finally found one, then when we made an offer, the poop hit the propeller.  We called the credit bureaus and they had this smug "so what" attitude...  Now we are stuck in a 14x72 foot mobile home with bad electrical, falling apart floors, and severe water damage; nd there is absolutely nothing we can do to fix it...  The Zap A Gap is basically a CA glue, especially formulated for gap  filling applications.  I plan on writing a choicely worded letter to the manufacturer.

Rich

Bockscar

Rich:

Sad to hear about the new house, I've heard things are verging on bizarre in the housing market, that's a tough situation you and family are in.

What is the base ingredient in the Zap-a-Gap? I've had those Gorilla type urethane based glues fizzz so much they've floated parts to different locations of a project.

Here's hoping this week will be a better one!

One more:

Finding another Phantom box top always brightens my day:

Rich:

Sad to hear about the new house, I've heard things are verging on bizarre in the housing market, that's a tough situation you and family are in.

What is the base ingredient in the Zap-a-Gap? I've had those Gorilla type urethane based glues fizzz so much they've floated parts to different locations of a project.

Here's hoping this week will be a better one!

Well.  This week has not been a good one.  Thanks to a screw-up which is going to take months to fix, we won't be buying a house anytime soon...  I hate how credit reporting agencies will never admit they made a mistake, and are slow as molasses to fix something they messed up and don't seem to care how badly is messes up someone's life.  And on the modeling front, We have had a major setback on all of the phantoms.  I used a smooth bead of Zap A Gap medium (Green label) and it looked great for 2 days, then something happened to it because for some unknown reason it puffed up and became bubbly.  So now I have to completely strip the bead out and resand and refill it with modeling putty or something else.  I don't know iof it was just a bad bottle or what, but it's going to add a lot more work on aall of the kits my Daughter and I are working on.  I had the same problem with 2 of my builds for the P38 build as well.  Luckily my Mosquito for the last entry in the Monogram Mafia build is ok, as is my F102 for the wild wings build.   I hadn't filled the gap on either one of them yet.  And I haven't even had a chance to start my Ho229 or my BF110 kits. 

mississippivol

Bocks, that little stainless ruler showed up years ago needing a home. I still don't remember where it came from. It is probably third on the tools hierarchy behind the knife and tweezer, it's been so useful. As for the pull rings, I was going to roll mine from wire. It'll keep a consistent circumference, and would hold it's shape really well. Speakin' of MiG's, maybe we can do a "Phantom Fodder" build next year

Glenn

Or is that Phantom Phodder? Between that and Ken's idea for an natural metal finish Voodoo build, i'll be up at night contemplating the possibilities!

The Migs with that upper lip are so ugly, they deserved to be shot down. I swear, they designed a tracked version!

Hey Rough:

That's a great idea, I take it the line was not a mono-filiment? I don't do any fishing, a big truck used to bring all my fish...I'ld just fillet them, never caught 'em....lol...anything that doesn't require super-glue is an option for me.

Ken;

" It was quite a job but I think it will be worth it.  It actually made more room in the corner where it is all standing, looks a lot better, and I can get to most of it fairly easily now."

I always knew model kit building promoted industriousness and organizational skills, hmmm.....there must be something stacked up in the garage i can use to further my modelling......finally get it cleaned up in the deal!

Still much to do, but I finally got all the decals on that intend to. I will likely shoot on a clear coat today and after that, I will remove the masking around the tail and start shooting on some metallic colors. Then I can worry about gear, pods, pylons, etc. Maybe I will actually finish this bird before the years end!

Missisippivol - Well done, fine looking bird. I will try the pencil shading on mine. Your underneath colour is excactly what I was trying to produce by mixing Buff with Medium blue - which I failed miserably at but have stuck with it as I find it a real hassle getting paint here.

I broke one of the ejector pull hoops on mine and done a reasonable salvage by tying a fishing knot on some 4 lb fishing line, pulled it tight until I had the correct sized hoop then locked it with a small touch of Tamiya extra thin cement. Once that dried I snipped of the loop and glue it on.

Son of Medicine Man - Exciting stuff sorting the man-cave. I have the builders in at the moment and will have a new room by time they finish, part of a whole house renovation.

I have specifically stipulated a lock on the door and also a lock on the solid cupboard door , so I can lock my models away with my other man toys (like my Remington Model 700) away from the rugrats.

Hi Everyone,

Well yesterday I received a big order of Acrylic paint I ordered to use for adding shadow detail.  I realized that I was running out of room for all my paint.  Then I got an idea.  Make a shelf on the wall behind where I sit at my workbench.  It will keep it out of the way until I need it, then it will make it easier to find the color I am looking for if I sort it by FS number.

When I got home from work this evening I started going through the lumber that I have accumulated over the years stacked in the corner of my garage.  That turned into an all evening job.  Once I finally found what I was looking for, I decided to sort the lumber to make it easier the next time I go to look for something.  It was quite a job but I think it will be worth it.  It actually made more room in the corner where it is all standing, looks a lot better, and I can get to most of it fairly easily now.

Tomorrow I will actually work on putting up the shelves which will be very nice when I get it done.  I will have more room on my workbench which wil make it a lot nicer to work.

Ken

Hi Glenn,

Very nice job!  I especially like the foil job.  It looks real smooth.  Did you use regular aluminum foil and added adhesive or did you use a specialty foil?  I think you could do a real nice job on a natural metal finish on say, a Voodoo!!    I also noticed you armed it to go Mig hunting.  Very cool!

Ken

Bocks, that little stainless ruler showed up years ago needing a home. I still don't remember where it came from. It is probably third on the tools hierarchy behind the knife and tweezer, it's been so useful. As for the pull rings, I was going to roll mine from wire. It'll keep a consistent circumference, and would hold it's shape really well. Speakin' of MiG's, maybe we can do a "Phantom Fodder" build next year

Glenn