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Panzerjager GB (March 1st - June 30th, 2011)

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Posted by Shellback on Tuesday, May 31, 2011 12:08 AM

bobbaily

Question for the group-does anyone know if the gun cleaning rods were metal or wood?  I would think wood to prevent scoring of the barrel, but given the length of the L/70V, I wouldn't want to guess.

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Posted by bobbaily on Tuesday, May 31, 2011 6:18 AM

Eric & Carl-thanks for the info....looks like it's time for a 'do over'....gotta love the Dragon instructions....

Bob

 

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Posted by Shellback on Tuesday, May 31, 2011 12:33 PM

bobbaily

Eric & Carl-thanks for the info....looks like it's time for a 'do over'....gotta love the Dragon instructions....

I've read that their instructions leave a lot to be desired still .

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Posted by tigerman on Tuesday, May 31, 2011 10:26 PM

Uh, just thinking. I probably should have waited to attach the side skirts after I installed the tracks. It will complicate matters I'm afraid. I'm sure I can still do it; it will just make things a bit messier.

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 Eric 

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Posted by Shellback on Wednesday, June 1, 2011 12:17 AM

tigerman

Uh, just thinking. I probably should have waited to attach the side skirts after I installed the tracks. It will complicate matters I'm afraid. I'm sure I can still do it; it will just make things a bit messier.

Yes , probably should have attached the tracks first .Whistling Just have a lot of patience before you start attaching the tracks Eric .

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Posted by Shellback on Wednesday, June 1, 2011 12:21 AM

OMG !!!! I might get this thing done by the deadline !!!!!Stick out tongue

I'm about ready to start painting the exterior .

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Posted by dupes on Wednesday, June 1, 2011 12:49 PM

 Ho ho! It's June! Which means it's Sturer Emil time! Big Smile

I actually won't be able to start in on her today (monthly club meeting tonight), but I figured I should throw down the pre-project photos, and hopefully I'll also get to match up the kit instructions with the PE instructions some time this afternoon.

Obligatory shot #1 - the kit sprues:

This is going to be a big sucker. Don't have an Elefant/Ferdinand chassis built up to compare it to, but I imagine they're about the same size:

The boatload of aftermarket that accidentally fell into the box over the past year or so - RB Models barrel and shells, Lionmarc resin tracks, Voyager PE set.

Decals are the bane of my modeling existence...luckily, Voyager has seen fit to include a set of stencils to avoid any chance of silvering ALTOGETHER. Not to mention the jacks that are missing from the kit, plus other assorted goodies.

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Posted by dupes on Wednesday, June 1, 2011 12:51 PM

There were two SE chassis produced, with slight differences between them...both were panzer grey, so that's the route I'll be going. I may attempt this whole "color modulation" thingy if I think I can pull it off. We shall see!

Devil

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Posted by Shellback on Wednesday, June 1, 2011 7:16 PM

Dupes , looks like a real project . Have fun with it .Yes

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Posted by tigerman on Wednesday, June 1, 2011 8:00 PM

Good luck Dupes, but I bet you'll get her done. 

Me? I'm a little skeptical that I will finish, but will do my best. The weather is being a downer, but it's supposed to improve.

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 Eric 

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Posted by PANZERWAFFE on Thursday, June 2, 2011 1:04 PM

CARL - Sweet!  Looking forward to the paint.

DUPES - Sure it would have been a nice build out of the box but with all the extra goodies its sure to be nice!  Looking forward to your progress.

ERIC - Surely theres tie to finish, right?

Rob

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Posted by tigerman on Thursday, June 2, 2011 2:31 PM

PANZERWAFFE

CARL - Sweet!  Looking forward to the paint.

DUPES - Sure it would have been a nice build out of the box but with all the extra goodies its sure to be nice!  Looking forward to your progress.

ERIC - Surely theres tie to finish, right?

Rob, you've seen how slowly I've moved? 3 months blew by. If I get my now sick rear into gear, perhaps I can beat the deadline. I'm home today ill, so that will give me time to get a little done. I'm going to have to step it up to make the deadline.

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 Eric 

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Posted by tigerman on Thursday, June 2, 2011 3:44 PM

Reminder to self: Don't rattle-can primer in windy conditions.

No I didn't get it all over me, but debris blew all over the tracks. It was relatively calm when I went outside, but then it just kicked up like a deliberate knee to the groin. I mean come on.........

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 Eric 

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Posted by ogrejohn on Thursday, June 2, 2011 6:01 PM

Looking good Carl!

Dupes, that sure is going to be one nice build!

Eric, I might be right along with you in the finish of mine. Dang mesh screens !

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Posted by tigerman on Thursday, June 2, 2011 8:17 PM

You can always sans the screens John. Wink

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 Eric 

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Posted by Shellback on Thursday, June 2, 2011 8:47 PM

Eric , debris ? Just how windy was it ? Over here when it gets that windy we end up with the sky full of tri-cities dust .

John , what happened to the mesh ?

Ok , update . WOO HOO ! Or is it HWOO WHOO HOOT ! ? 

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Here is all of the exterior stores temporarily mounted .

Its temporary so i can remove it all for painting . There are no mounting holes or pins on the parts in this kit to locate where the parts location is , only some light engarvings that were mostlyeilliminated with after sanding and would not show up following painting anyway  I used 3/64th styrene  rod to mount the jerry cans .

And then i used .020 copper wire and a #76 bit to drill the holes for rest of the equipment .

 

Now i must decide what paint scheme to piant this ...................................Geeked

 

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Posted by tigerman on Thursday, June 2, 2011 9:09 PM

It was windy enough Carl. I couldn't paint the other side, because the wind kept changing directions and was spraying my tracks with yard debris. Ridiculous considering it's June.

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 Eric 

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Posted by Shellback on Thursday, June 2, 2011 9:25 PM

Eric , are we going to have summer for one week in August and then back to more winter weather ? We had fog and rain all day ...............well at least i'm able to work on the model ..................Toast

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Posted by tigerman on Friday, June 3, 2011 12:08 AM

I think we'll be lucky to get that one week in August. Sheesh what a year so far.

Got a little done today, so all wasn'tlost. Just need some nice weather which it's supposed to be this weekend.

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 Eric 

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Posted by tigerman on Saturday, June 4, 2011 3:41 PM

Hey Carl, how about this weather! Wow, sunny and 85 today. Yeahhhhh babbbbbbbyyyyy.

Small update: I primed and sprayed the tracks. I hope to get the base coat finished this weekend. I mostly just have painting and weathering left. Construction for the most part is finished. Camo is going to be one-shot gig, so I'd better like it!

I must say these magic tracks are awesome. They are pretty durable when glued too. I was afraid the slightest touch and they'd break. I've been man handling and they're holding up.

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 Eric 

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Posted by Shellback on Saturday, June 4, 2011 9:27 PM

Great weather isnt it Eric !!!! I got to work outside all day !!!!!

Sounds like some good progress your making .YesBeer

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Posted by tigerman on Sunday, June 5, 2011 2:02 PM

Shellback

Great weather isnt it Eric !!!! I got to work outside all day !!!!!

Sounds like some good progress your making .YesBeer

Yes we do have to take advantage of the weather while we can. Wink

I might not get as much as I wished to done today, I'm meeting up with some friends at the pub, so I'm not sure how I'll feel after that. LOL

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 Eric 

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Posted by ogrejohn on Sunday, June 5, 2011 2:13 PM

It's really shaping up Carl! I remember when I done the Italeri 234/1 that the tools and jerry cans were a bit of a pain. I didn't bother with the locating pins. Just got them painted up and Gator glued them in place.

Eric, looking forward to seeing the camo you decide on.

Got mine almost ready to primer. I'm thinking I just might get this thing done after all. Maybe....

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Posted by tigerman on Sunday, June 5, 2011 2:33 PM

ogrejohn

It's really shaping up Carl! I remember when I done the Italeri 234/1 that the tools and jerry cans were a bit of a pain. I didn't bother with the locating pins. Just got them painted up and Gator glued them in place.

Eric, looking forward to seeing the camo you decide on.

Got mine almost ready to primer. I'm thinking I just might get this thing done after all. Maybe....

That's another problem John, I still haven't settled on a camo scheme. 

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 Eric 

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Posted by Shellback on Sunday, June 5, 2011 4:46 PM

Eric  , LOL ! Beer + Beer + Beer + Beer + Beer + Beer = you aint working on no model when you get home ! Stick out tongue

Thanks John !  Sounds like you have been busy .

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Posted by tigerman on Sunday, June 5, 2011 9:41 PM

Shellback

Eric  , LOL ! Beer + Beer + Beer + Beer + Beer + Beer = you aint working on no model when you get home ! Stick out tongue

Thanks John !  Sounds like you have been busy .

I'm not British and you're so correct Carl, I'm not working on any bloody kit. LOL

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 Eric 

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Posted by Shellback on Sunday, June 5, 2011 11:34 PM

tigerman

 Shellback:

Eric  , LOL ! Beer + Beer + Beer + Beer + Beer + Beer = you aint working on no model when you get home ! Stick out tongue

Thanks John !  Sounds like you have been busy .

 

I'm not British and you're so correct Carl, I'm not working on any bloody kit. LOL

Good thing probably , no telling what the results might have been .Toast

I managed to get some primer sprayed on tonight . I only had one beer today Eric ....................Beer

And from underneath . WOW , what a nice can under there !!!!!Stick out tongue

 

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Posted by bufflehead on Monday, June 6, 2011 12:28 AM

Carl - the 234 is looking good!  You'll be finished in no time!

Eric - glad you like them Magic Tracks, they're really pretty nice once you've done a couple of sets! 

dupes - Whoa, you're getting quite the late start AND all that AM stuff!!  Looks like it might be a battle to see if you or I will finish last!  Shoot, I'm pushing hard to just finish on time!

as for you fellas and your Beer Beer Beer Beer Beer......I'm more of a wine drinker so here you go...... Toast Toast Toast Toast Toast   Big Smile

UPDATE! 

Hetzer work has been slow while resin parts were curing and I continue to pack for my imminent move (I hate moving  Dead), but at last I have completed all the resin parts and can get back to plastic!  I've included some info on the resin work I did:

First, here is what I use.  Tap Plastics "Platinum Silicone" for the mold, Micro Mark's CR-600 HP Resin for the parts.  I used Tap Plastics because they're just two buildings down from where I work.  When I run out I'll probably switch to Micro Mark's Silicone/Urethane just to try them out. 

Gotta have stuff to mix the components in and some mold release!   Tap Plastics for the mold release and unmarked mixing cups, Tamiya mixing stick.

To start I had to create the mold master.  Thje original parts are first glued to a piece of styrene, then I simply built a "box" around it with more styrene.  Just deep enough to make the mold, which is typically 1/2" all round the parts. After the glue dried I sprayed the mold release in the box and worked it around with a small brush.  This will clean the parts and box, and allow the mold to easily separate from the box and masters.  I allowed the mold release to dry completely before mixing and pouring in the silicone.

I didn't take any photos of the actual mixing of the components, but its really pretty simple:  With the silicone just mix equal parts of A & B and slowly pour into the box, staying in one corner.  This helps prevent air bubbles in the mold.  Then I quickly used a large sewing needle to poke out any stray air bubbles caught on the parts.  Working time with this brand is about 10 minutes, plenty of time to work out those bubbles!  After 24 hours I pulled the box apart and gently separated the mold from the master.  In the photo, the upper mold is one I made last year for the Pz 38(t)'s jack block.

There was some flash around the edges because I didn't fully glue the masters to the sheet, but this is easily trimmed away with a small sharp scissors.  Mold release applied, after drying I mixed the resin which is done exactly like the silicone!  Equal parts A & B, but the resin only has 7 minutes of working time.  Because the mold recesses are pretty narrow and shallow, instead of pouring in the resin I used the Tamiya mixer to gently drop the resin mix into the molds, filling just slighly higher than the tops.

The resin cures quite fast!  30-60 minutes for big parts, 60-120 minutes for small, thin parts like these, and turns white.  It also gets quite warm which is normal for resin curing.

First few batches.

The first resin backplate was a reject as I made it too thin and forgot to poke out air bubbles.  S'OK since I planned on making extras! 

And the end results:

Now that the suspension parts are done, back to plastic.  I noticed that the rear fenders have nasty pin marks that have to be dealt with!  They're in very difficult spots because of all the ribbing...I think my first try to fix them will be to fill with Mr. Dissolved Putty and then very carefully sand smooth. 

The upper hull has the small tie downs molded in.  I think I'll shave them off and use some 28 gauge brass wire to recreate them.

Hopefully I'll have another update later this week!

 

 

 

 

Ernest

Last Armor Build - 1/35 Dragon M-26A1, 1/35 Emhar Mk.IV Female

     

Last Aircraft Builds - Hobby Boss 1/72 F4F Wildcat & FW-190A8

     

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Posted by tigerman on Monday, June 6, 2011 11:23 AM

Great save there Ernest.

Why are the pinmarks in such obviously bad locations? You think it would have been easier to put them underneath the fenders. I had a few on the Jagdtiger that were hard to fill and hide. Again, not much thought on where to put them.

I got the base for the most part laid down. What a big vehicle. If it were a Maus, I'd probably rattle-can it.

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 Eric 

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Posted by Taps88 on Monday, June 6, 2011 5:04 PM

I'm still around...

I haven't had much bench time since the weather has been nice and my "Honey Do" list has been sooooo long. Lord...we've actually had dry weather here in Ohio, for the past week or so. Although..I did get a tornado, on my video camera, about 3 weeks ago. Sent the footage in to Weather.com.

 

So, anyhoo....Pool opened, grass, weeding, planting and such are up to speed now..I'm finally caught up.

 

I'm going to try to get my Emil done, in the time frame.

Eric / Formally known as Erock68

On the Bench:

Academy: 1/72 B17 Memphis Bell

Tamiya: 1/35 Panther G

Dragon: 1/35 Platformwagen SSy

 

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