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Panzerjager GB (March 1st - June 30th, 2011)

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Posted by JMart on Sunday, March 6, 2011 9:14 AM

Great GB! Do you let in amateurs who mainly build ships? Big Smile  If anything, I know I will learn a lot in this GB. And YES I will finish this GB!

I will enter the (what else?) Dragon 1:35   Stug. IV Early Production Smart Kit (#6520), which comes with a LOAD of goodies. I also have the Aber detail set 35044, 10$ from the “Aber guy” at the AMPS-CT show in Danbury last year. Dunno the scheme; I have yet to paint anything with more than one color in it  Propeller

And another vote for Sprue Brothers… my armor (and special hobby a/c) stash grew a lot from their Super Specials and Holiday specials, worthwhile to check their site frequently!

Speaking of votes… EMIL for the Dupes! Beer

 

 

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Posted by dupes on Sunday, March 6, 2011 9:16 AM

A little bit of reference for those of you still undecided! Big Smile

Sturer Emil:

http://www.achtungpanzer.com/heu.htm (second vehicle down)
http://www.perthmilitarymodelling.com/reviews/vehicles/trumpeter/tr00350.htm

Jagdpanther:

http://www.achtungpanzer.com/panzerjager-v-jagdpanther-sd-kfz-173.htm
http://www.wwiivehicles.com/germany/tank-hunters/jagdpanther.asp

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Posted by dupes on Sunday, March 6, 2011 9:33 AM

Yaaay! It's JMart!  Hey man, you aren't going to Valleycon in Chicopee on the 27th, are you?

Another vote for the Emil...5/3/1.

  1. Tigerman-  Jagdpanther
  2. Panzerwaffe-  Sturer Emil
  3. Bufflehead- ???
  4. RMC_Birdunner- ???
  5. Big Smitty- ???
  6. Wing_nut-  Sturer Emil
  7. Bobbaily-  Jagdpanther
  8. TigerEp1- ???
  9. Nachtflieger- Sturer Emil
  10. Terry35- Sturer Emil
  11. Hinsky- Dicker Max
  12. Dupes- (tiebreaker)
  13. bbrowniii- Jagdpanther
  14. Wolfp - ???
  15. ogrejohn - ???
  16. JMart - Sturer Emil
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Posted by Nachtflieger on Sunday, March 6, 2011 10:41 AM

Guys,

Here's a quick up-date of where I'm at with my Marder III build. Today I finished one side of Friuls, and installed them. The Friuls are actually "handed", so this is the right side. I may remove one link when it comes time to permanently mount them, but I'm leaving them alone for now. I also found that it isn't the sprocket teeth that need to be cut down, it's the guide 'ears' on the tracks themselves that get in the way of a good fit on the sprocket and idler. I bent them inwards where they pass around the sprocket, and the fit is much better.

The roadwheels, track, and hull top are just placed on for looks. Actually, the roadwheels are held on with Blu-Tak so I can remove them for painting.

Here's a few pics of where I'm at.

Nate

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Posted by wing_nut on Sunday, March 6, 2011 10:55 AM

HOLY CRAPLACKISTAN!

You guys are really going at it.  And some sweet work!

And new players too?  Boy, the gangs all here.

Ben- I used the Friuls on my Marder III-M and had to slightly bend the supplied metal drive sprocket a tiny bit.  IIRC, I had to squeeze them to make a wee bit narrower and they fit like a dream.  Had no prob on the idler.

While the base for my PBP dries, I am cleaning up the bench and will make at least "some" progress on the Stug today since it is a "rainy stay in the house and the girls are watching videos all day which leaves me to sit at the bench all day" kind of day.

Marc  

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Posted by bobbaily on Sunday, March 6, 2011 12:46 PM

Looking good Nate.  You can't go wrong with Friuls.....love the sag.

Bob

 

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Posted by tigerman on Sunday, March 6, 2011 1:20 PM

Nate those Friuls look great and I agree, maybe 1 link.

Jmart, glad to have you aboard. The more the merrier. 

Marc, it looks like the Sturer Emil is pulling away. Time top order up for it. LOL

I hope to hit the bench, but it's the wife's birthday and I'm not sure her plans. She has finals this week and she may be studying for awhile tonight.

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 Eric 

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Posted by Hinksy on Sunday, March 6, 2011 1:24 PM

Hey gents,

Some nice looking work going on. There's a Marder nearly in the bag already! I'm inclined to suggest the removal of a couple of Friul links as the Marder track looks a bit too saggy but either way I'd wait until everthing is painted up and the wheels are properly glued on. 

I've spent the last three hours on my Marder III M and have just finished the interior detail and engine - most of which won't be seen or painted but it all makes for good practice (which when it comes to interiors, I need) and I'm of the thought that if I left any parts out I might struggle with the build later as I'd find I'd need them there!

The Drivers compartment is built up 100% as per the instructions as is the transmission at the front as I may have that slightly visible via the removable hatch. The main powerplant is 90% all there but due to some mind boggling diagrams I couldn't get it to fit without removing some pipework and some PE was called for to use as the battery base and cover - I decided I could do without that Whistling The top of the engine is all there and looks good should I feel brave and want to make it slightly visible with some added engine parts. The final cover section at the rear is again all there as that will be visible in the fighting compartment.

Basically I've only done one interior before this one and that was my Dragon Panzer I Ausf A so I'm a total interior newbie! It's looking okay though.

Anyway, as I mentioned earlier on I've assembled one Friul run in record time - I think they will be ok and I'll either have to bend the guide horns inwards a tad where it's tight on the drive sprockets etc or I'll take a skim off the inner wheels with the Dremel Rotary Tool.

My selfish parents Wink have decided to have the loft converted so next weekend I'm on 'emptying the rubbish out the loft' duty and generally doing work - just what I want after a week in the office Angry I will probably get one session in but the second might have to be postponed. I've got a few days holiday soon so I can easily catch up and more besides Yes

Here's where I am with the Marder; it's starting to get tricky but at least the interior is out of the way - I want to start on the exterior which looks stunning and the PaK 40 and fighting compartments are a joy to look at on other folks Dragon Marder III's, I've just got to assemble them myself now!

Drivers compartment - nicely detailed!

Mid-Mounted engine in place, a few eagle eyed folk will notice some small missing parts ie there should be a part of the exhaust going towards that small hole but my exhaust tube was about 1" too low and had to go to allow the engine to fit:

I don't know what this bit is Embarrassed you'll notice the battery hasn't yet been fitted as you look at the picture - it sits on the left: 

Battery now fitted less the PE mount & everything in place ready for the next stage:

 

 

I hope you like her so far. She'll start looking like a Marder soon - I'm not an experienced detailed interior modeller yet so bear with me if it's a bit 'untidy'!

Have a good week guys Yes

ATVB

Ben Toast 

On the Bench - Dragon Pz. IV Ausf. G (L.A.H.) Yes

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Posted by tigerman on Sunday, March 6, 2011 2:19 PM

Ben, you're just buzzing through that Marder. Loving the detail. Excellent progress.

Sorry to hear about the cleanup at the house.

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 Eric 

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Posted by detailfreak on Sunday, March 6, 2011 2:40 PM

             Maybe a loft to workshop conversion?? The Marder does look great so far. All the builds look great so far.Sorry but I'm still waiting to finish what I have going,which is a huge amount of un-finished builds,stalled for lack of interest or parts I do not know. Oh well does'nt mean I can't be a hangaround right?Cool

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Posted by bbrowniii on Sunday, March 6, 2011 3:01 PM

bobbaily

Question for the group-I usually build planes-only a couple of pieces of armor to date.  Do you attach the tools (shovels, axes, etc.) and paint or paint them and then attach?

Bob

I'm sure you've gotten plenty of input on this, but here is my offering:

I usually paint stuff off the vehicle then attach. However, a friend of mine attaches then paints. To simplify the process a little, he slips a post-it note or another small piece of paper under the item he is going to paint, thus protecting the paintjob on the vehicle. I've been tempted to try that approach...

 

EDIT: Which, if I would have simply read TWO more posts, I would have seen you had already received this suggestion... sorry for the redundancy!

GUYS,

Great work going on. I don't know who to single out for praise first, so I'll lump y'all together.

Hey, JMART, great to see you in the GB. How have you been?

I'm with dupes, I'll be looking to start the Hetzer towards the end of the month. Got a couple projects to finish up before ValleyCon (I hope!!).

 

'All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing' - Edmund Burke (1770 ??)

 

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Posted by bobbaily on Sunday, March 6, 2011 3:41 PM

bbrownii-thanks for your input-always good to hear how others approach a task.

Bob

 

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Posted by tigerman on Sunday, March 6, 2011 5:55 PM

The post it is a good idea. How about an index card? A little thicker so paint can't seep thru.

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 Eric 

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Posted by PANZERWAFFE on Sunday, March 6, 2011 10:23 PM

Sorry guys for that double post of mine Dunce

Tigerman - Get your wife a Panzerjager for her birthday and yall can build togtherHeart  Back to reality, this kit is packed full of stuff most being the interior and the gun.  The interior must have two sprues of parts and the gun has three.  Very intricate looking gun. should be fun.

Bob - Thanks. Nice work so far.  It can be a pain but your smart to get all of those wheels out of the way.  Thats my least favorite part of a build but it has to be done.

Nate - Thanks. And you, great work so far.  The track looks great!  I would leave it as is, dont think you should remove any links.  Have seen a lot of pictures that the vehicle has a lot of sag.  I think it is perfect.

Terry - That thing is going to be tiny.  Finished a 1/35 one for the marder madness and thought it was on the small side.  Will be fun to watch this one ome togther.

Ben - These panzer I and variants are small thats for sure.  Have built a couple of the older PZ I dragon kits but not with an interior.  Care is the word with these!

Nice work on your Marder.  Did you ever decide for sure if you were going to leave the hatchs open too see the interior?

Had problems with this build last night no fault of the kit, it was all me.  All parts fit great and I would dry fit and get comfortable with the parts but when I went to glue everything just went to Censored  The worst part and this I do find some fault in the kit,  there is a bar at the rear of the tank and the parts that hold it into place did not have the holes drilled all the way threw.  It would be an easy fix if one would drill the holes BEFORE gluing the pieces that hold it in place on.  Well I glued them on then descovered what I had done about 30 minutes after glueing so spent a lot of time prying the parts off and cleaning them up then redoing .  Luckly everything went well.  This is the bar I'm talking about.

Today things went much better, just a bad day yesterday I guess, in order to get the rear plate on had to build the engine cover so that I could ensure evrything was lined up correctly.

Few other small parts were put on and then went to painting the interior.  Think it still needs to be a little more worn.

Also have the hull interior painted and weathered it's just waiting for the interior to drop into it.  Thats it for now.....More to come.

Rob

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Posted by dupes on Sunday, March 6, 2011 10:34 PM

Whoah - paint already!

That interior looks great...how much will you be able to see when the whole deal is finished?

Tigerman - Sturer parts ordered a few days ago "just in case". Heheheh. Stick out tongue

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Posted by tigerman on Monday, March 7, 2011 12:41 AM

Wow Rob, that interior is looking sweet. Yes

Because of my wife's birthday, I got little done today. I broke a grab handle on the hatch. Syupid attachment points were HUGE. Lots of filing and sanding. It looks like there is supposed to be 4 handles on the two hatches, but the directions only call for 2. I might cheat and just putty the holes for the others. Angry i only saw 3 handles too. Maybe it's late and I'm losing my mind. There are a lot of small parts on this guy. I doubt I'll get much done tomorrow, perhaps Tuesday. Cheers and good night.

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Posted by Nachtflieger on Monday, March 7, 2011 1:48 AM

Rob, beautiful interior! Love the paintwork.

Nate

 

 

 

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Posted by bobbaily on Monday, March 7, 2011 6:07 AM

Nachtflieger

Rob, beautiful interior! Love the paintwork.

Nate

Ditto

Rob-I can't really add any more than that.....with an interior that nice, I can't wait to see the exterior.

Bob

 

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Posted by bbrowniii on Monday, March 7, 2011 8:57 AM

PANZERWAFFE

http://i951.photobucket.com/albums/ad352/PANZERI/Panzerjager%20I/DSC01995.jpg

Also have the hull interior painted and weathered it's just waiting for the interior to drop into it.  Thats it for now.....More to come.

Ummm, WOW!!

Bow Down

'All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing' - Edmund Burke (1770 ??)

 

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Posted by wing_nut on Monday, March 7, 2011 10:51 AM

Awesome paint on the interior.

 

I have joined the ranks of those who have started.  All the road gear is done.  Added some welds using 3 different method figuring maybe 3 different guys... 3 different welds. hopefully the MT's tonight.

Marc  

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Posted by tigerman on Monday, March 7, 2011 11:15 AM

That looks quite convincing Marc.

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 Eric 

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Posted by Nachtflieger on Monday, March 7, 2011 3:07 PM

Quite a bit of progress Marc! I like the welds, and the chipped road wheels. This is gonna look good!

Nate

 

 

 

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Posted by wing_nut on Monday, March 7, 2011 3:36 PM

Eric, Nate... thanks amigos.

I really made it hard on myself too.  The bogie's come with little pins so the road wheels line up perfect.  You cut them off if you want to use the torsion bar suspension.  The Dragon sheet was not too clear about the best way to do it and they ended up way too loose.  It was only after I cut all the bars and got the wheels glued up that I figured out to get them workable and tight too.  Oh well... next time.

Marc  

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Posted by Hinksy on Monday, March 7, 2011 5:14 PM

Hey guys,

Some very nice work appearing! That Panzer interior is simply STUNNING! Top marks! Yes

I was asked in a previous post:

"Ben - These panzer I and variants are small thats for sure.  Have built a couple of the older PZ I dragon kits but not with an interior.  Care is the word with these!

Nice work on your Marder.  Did you ever decide for sure if you were going to leave the hatchs open too see the interior?"

The interior won't be visible apart from the front transmission area which will be painted so it can be left visible via the hatch at the front - the rest I assembled purely for practice and I might find that having the interior present will come in handy during assembly.

ATVB

Ben Toast

On the Bench - Dragon Pz. IV Ausf. G (L.A.H.) Yes

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Posted by dupes on Monday, March 7, 2011 6:41 PM

Cracked into the Sturer Emil after rooting it out of the closet (just in case)...this thing is BIG. Waaaay bigger than I thought! The barrel is enormous - glad I found an AM replacement, or I'd blow through an entire sanding stick trying to get rid of that seam.

Getting fired up!

Unless, of course, the Jagdpanther wins out. Then I'll get fired up for that! 8 ball

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Posted by bobbaily on Monday, March 7, 2011 7:24 PM

wing_nut

Eric, Nate... thanks amigos.

I really made it hard on myself too.  The bogie's come with little pins so the road wheels line up perfect.  You cut them off if you want to use the torsion bar suspension.  The Dragon sheet was not too clear about the best way to do it and they ended up way too loose.  It was only after I cut all the bars and got the wheels glued up that I figured out to get them workable and tight too.  Oh well... next time.

 

Marc-First off, nice work.  Secondly, my Jagdpanzer had the same locating pins and needless to say, I had no idea what they were.....I was thinking.....why would Dragon have that much waste on the boggie's.....and now I know.....ditto on the next time.

Bob

 

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Posted by tigerman on Tuesday, March 8, 2011 12:38 AM

dupes

Cracked into the Sturer Emil after rooting it out of the closet (just in case)...this thing is BIG. Waaaay bigger than I thought! The barrel is enormous - glad I found an AM replacement, or I'd blow through an entire sanding stick trying to get rid of that seam.

Getting fired up!

Unless, of course, the Jagdpanther wins out. Then I'll get fired up for that! 8 ball

Well that Emil has the 128mm. Big cannon. It's going to be heavy. Is there a travel lock? I had to glue my gun in place so it can't elevate, otherwise it will sag. I probably could have used the travel lock, but elected not to.

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 Eric 

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Posted by dupes on Tuesday, March 8, 2011 8:56 PM

Interestingly enough, no travel lock. Pretty amazing considering the size of that gun...almost as long as the rest of the vehicle! Must have bounced around like mad when they were moving at top speed cross-country.

Man, those Lionmarc tracks are pretty hot. Hope they click together as well as they claim!

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Posted by tigerman on Tuesday, March 8, 2011 9:17 PM

I know that Lionmarc are noted for their PE, but I was unaware that they make tracks too.

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 Eric 

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Posted by dupes on Tuesday, March 8, 2011 10:46 PM

I knew they did barrels (I have a couple of Firefly ones, if I remember correctly), but not much past that.

http://www.lionmarc.com/LionMarc%20Products.html

It appears that the Sturer tracks aren't even listed on their website? Odd.

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