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The OFFICIAL Panzer III and Its Variants GB

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Posted by malone duke on Friday, April 6, 2012 3:16 PM

stik.  your figure is super nice. you did a nice job on that uniform...

deaf.  that paint job is freaking awesome!!!!  i think my next project is gonna have to have a whitewash.  

streetfighter. the build is coming along real good...  super clean work...  

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Posted by Thunderbolt379 on Friday, April 6, 2012 6:06 PM

DP -- I'll look out for 3M products! The blutac I was using turned out to be a generic type that has become too "wet" and sticky and refuses to come off the surface, so I have a Bf 109 with a mess that won't clean off, despite hours of trying with the usual technique (rolling a ball of the stuff over the surface).

I ordered the zim direct from the manufacturer -- there's usually no problem, they're a solid firm...

Cheers, Mike/TB379

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Posted by malone duke on Friday, April 6, 2012 6:30 PM

Hey guys. Give this a shot. Make your own silly putty.  4 parts elmers glue and one part starch.  and keep refrigerated while not in use.  u can vary the mix to your likes.  ive had pretty good results with this recipe.  all commercial products have given me some sort of hassle...  from melting all over everything to not staying in place. plus i always get that oil all over everything too.  i do know i had good results with the silly putty in kept in the fridge and working with it fast enough so it doesnt heat up.

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Posted by armor86 on Sunday, April 8, 2012 12:50 AM

Update Late J - lower hull rear ... filling seam with  sanding to do. Idler adjuster .... Armor86

 


Dan

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Ausf. E Finished
Posted by StreetFightingMan on Sunday, April 8, 2012 11:54 AM

Happy Easter! Angel

I've been working a lot on the Ausf. E for the last few days, and I finished it late last night. I was surprised how easy (and fun) the Magic Tracks were, and, while I didn't get the sag perfect, I think they turned out well for my first try. The fenders continued to be a pain when I put the tools and such on them, but I weathered them enough that I'm OK with the overall result. The decals went well, though they stuck rather quickly, and I had to carefully use Micro Sol to wiggle them a little. I did my usual artist oil wash with Turpenoid, and highlighted the raised detail on the fenders with silver paint. I used a fair amount of weathering pastels to dirty up the tank, and I sprayed a final coat of Testors flat acrylic to neutralize it and keep it all in place. Overall, I give myself a 7/10 on this one.

 

Also, does anyone have anything to share about taking better photos of model tanks? I usually use a lamp or something to brighten the image, but it is almost always too intense, flushing out contrasts and leaving heavy shadows. When I try to reduce the intensity of the light, the tank looks dark, and the pictures barely show any of the detail. Any advice would be helpful, because I wish that I could post pictures of what my tank actually looks like, not what my camera thinks it looks like. I took most of these outside because it's a nice day and the sun is out, but the pictures don't really capture the tank the way it looks like in a well-lit room.

 Anyways, here are some photos:

And one picture with Tamiya's Panzer II (an excellent kit)

Well, it's been loads of fun, and I'm glad I picked this as my first GB. I probably won't be modeling much in the coming months between moving and getting ready for college, but I hope to get on here a couple tiumes to see the other Panzers as they roll off the workbenches. Great work everybody!

Thanks! Yes

-Mike

On the Bench: 1/48 Eduard Avia B-534 Series IV, Cyber Hobby Messerschmidt Bf-109 E-4

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Posted by deafpanzer on Sunday, April 8, 2012 2:08 PM

armor86- Good process on the lower hull!  I am really enjoying your another WIP.  Appreciate you posting pictures because we love 'em. 

streetfightingman- Congrats on completing your superb build! Yes  I don't see anything wrong with it and you did very well.  Those Magic Tracks can be tricky to work with.  Next time you can apply just little thin liquid cement for the top part of the track then it can be little loose again so you can work on them again. 

I would not even manage to build one while I was in college... that's something you should be proud of.  I regret for taking a very long break from this great hobby. 

This is my favorite shot of your Panzer III E...

Again, congrats!  Now I can scratch that gap off the board... Ausf E is officially closed.  Thank you for making this happen so we don't have to worry about this.  Hope we can do it again and do not hesitate to stop by and say hi! Beer

 

 

Andy

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Posted by deafpanzer on Sunday, April 8, 2012 2:28 PM

Guys- Update on my StuG III Ausf F/8... it was my first hairspray technique attempt and I have to say it was fun!  BUT I am afraid I may have gone overboard.  I will let you be the judge...

I can always spray clear flat clear then do another hairspray technique in some area.  Right now I think I am pleased but I want to hear your honest feedback. 

Here it is...

Love those old used dentist tools that my dentist gave me.  She always ask me every time I come if I need.  I have about five or six old tools.  Don't hesitate to ask your dentist... some of them have one end broken but other end is just great!

Most of my work was done on the fenders and the top of hull or turret where crew & troop sit, stand or walk on especially on the corners & edges.

Closer shot...

What do you think? Confused

Andy

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Posted by Tojo72 on Sunday, April 8, 2012 2:31 PM

Nice job on an interesting camo scheme !!

Lotsa good work still coming out of here,great work guys

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Posted by ogrejohn on Sunday, April 8, 2012 3:41 PM

I think it looks perfect Andy! Don't do any more to it. You will really start to see it pop real good once you get some dirt and such on it. I wasn't too satisfied with my T-34 after the scrubbing of the white wash. After hitting it with a filter, I think it was an old Mig product for white-green camo, it really looked much better. Keep going buddy! 

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Posted by malone duke on Sunday, April 8, 2012 4:04 PM

excellent work everyone...  deaf, it's freakin awesome...  wouldnt change a thing...  heres an update on mine, little more paint and some gloss...  i'm hoping some filtering will tone it down, kinda stark right now...[View:/themes/fsm/utility/Uploaded from the Photobucket Android App:550:0][View:/themes/fsm/utility/Uploaded from the Photobucket Android App:550:0]

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Posted by StreetFightingMan on Sunday, April 8, 2012 4:29 PM

Andy, I would definitely leave it the way it is, it seems to be at that point where it looks just right. The pattern looks very tricky, and for a first attempt with hairspray, it looks like it was done by someone with a lot of experience with that technique. I read fsm's article a few months back about this technique, and you definitely do it justice!

-Mike

On the Bench: 1/48 Eduard Avia B-534 Series IV, Cyber Hobby Messerschmidt Bf-109 E-4

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Posted by Thunderbolt379 on Sunday, April 8, 2012 6:36 PM

Mike -- sweet job on the -E! That looks great, the subtle tonal variations are marvelous! The Testor flat -- which one is that? I have my eye on a flat Acryl clear and would love to know if there are any characteristics to watch out for.

DP -- that F/8 is great, I don't think the finish is overdone at all. You're cruising for a great result!

Malone Duke -- marvelous job, that camo looks really good!

I'm really hoping that zimmerit set comes in after the Easter break so I can get going on the StuH 42.

Cheers, Mike/TB379

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Posted by BaBill212 on Sunday, April 8, 2012 7:30 PM

Andy,,,   I like it,,,,,,,,, once you finish weathering,  it will blend well,,,,,,  my vote,,  keep it!

Nice job Pal

Enjoy the ride!

 

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Posted by deafpanzer on Sunday, April 8, 2012 8:09 PM

Anthony- Thanks buddy!  Agree with you this GB factory is still sending out great builds...

John- I am so glad you get to see this.  I was not too sure that I almost PM'ed you.  Thanks for the great tip shared at the show.  It really helped... the only thing I need is to find one of those small device that keeps coffee mug warm so that way I don't have to make few trips to the microwave to warm up the water. Big Smile

MIG pigment?  Great idea!  What if I can use 'Fading Panzer Grey' MIG after I apply dark washes? Earlier I thought maybe I can apply a mist of heavily thinned white all over to blend the camo and base coat together but I think it may ruin the whole thing?

Malone- LOVE the camo job!  I always liked that pattern especially on a Panther.  It will look great after a coat of flat clear for sure! Can't wait to see your next update.  You have been busy... that Pz and the tiny Jagdtiger!

OK, I agree with you I will not change anything to the StuG and move on to the next stage.  Thanks!

Mike- Appreciate your feedback. Yes  I always wanted to try this technique for a long time and I finally did it with help from everybody here in FSM especially John.  Thanks to ogrejohn... you have to see his work on the T-34 that I really liked very much at recent show. 

TB- Sure thanks again for the feedback! Beer  I took the liberty to talk with the postal master and he promised me he will deliver your Zimm set real fast...

Bill- What a nice surprise of you dropping by!  I am glad you are still hanging with us.  Your vote has been counted and I will leave it as it is and move on.  I don't think I will do anything tonight after hosting Easter brunch for my wife's family all day...

Happy Easter everybody if it is not too late!  You guys really rock... Beer Beer

 

 

Andy

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Posted by ogrejohn on Monday, April 9, 2012 2:59 AM

Andy, I wouldn't add any more white to it. The filter I used was a brownish gray but I think the filter for the faded gray would work just fine. Maybe try it on an area like the front lower hull? That way if you don't like it you can hide it some with pigments. 

It's really looking great! 

Dang, looking at all the fine work on here by everybody makes me want to get off my lazy butt and get busy. 

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Posted by deafpanzer on Monday, April 9, 2012 7:13 AM

John- Makes sense to me now.  OK I will not do the mist.  Thanks my friend! Beer  Happy to have you aboard.  Less than three weeks til AMPS Auburn, huh?!?  Hope you have been saving $$$ because I haven't... Tongue Tied

Guys- This is WHAT I AM TALKING about... John's T-34 in case you haven't seen it before.  One of best hairspray technique I have seen...

Y'all have a great day!

 

Andy

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Clear Coats, etc.
Posted by StreetFightingMan on Monday, April 9, 2012 12:09 PM

Thunderbolt379: Thanks for the feedback! I use Model Master Flat Clear Acryl (it comes in a 1 oz. bottle as opposed to the usual Model Master 1/2 oz. bottles, so it's not too hard to find.) Overall, I like the results I get with it. I haven't shopped around a lot with clear coats, so I can't compare it to other clear coats that are available, but the Model Master stuff gets the job done. However, it takes a little getting used to. This probably won't be a problem for you, but if you spray on too much at once, you can get some translucent white spots in the corners of the model. If you want to put more on, just let the wet coat dry first. Also, it works best for blending glossy decals to a flat model. Glossy paints will still look a little different from very flat ones, even after two coats. This may only be the case with the Tamiya paints I use, but it is a good thing to keep in mind. I don't know of any specific solutions to this problem, but seeing as most of what I make is military-related, the weathering I do usually solves the problem for me. And that gets me to pastels and powders. The clear coat will significantly decrease the intensity of some weathering powders, but others seem to keep their appearance. I would recommend testing the effect of the coat on whatever you use on a scrap piece of styrene to find if you are happy with the results. The powders I use are usually some local off-brand that I can't remember the name of, but I don't know if the better quality powders will work better. I put on more than I need as a result, and let the flat coat even things out. Finally, some paint differences may even out, so two shades of gray may become a little more similar. Anyways, I hope I haven't scared you off, because, assuming you mist this stuff on and don't spray it on like a regular paint, I would say my last few models have looked significantly better because of Model Master's Flat Coat. Obviously, some of these things may be different for others, and I don't know how climate effects it, but I would recommend the stuff.

Andy: Sorry, I wasn't thinking and forgot to reply to your post about my photo. Yes, I agree that that one is a good one, so you can use that one for the gallery if you want. Also, that T-34 is crazy awesome! Who did that one again?

-Mike

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Posted by deafpanzer on Monday, April 9, 2012 12:46 PM

Mike- That T-34 was built by ogrejohn (John) and he is building a Strum for this GB.  He did a great step by step how to do hairspray technique earlier here in this GB last September.   

I will update the rooster when I have the chance.  Again thanks for staying with us all the way!

Andy

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Posted by Thunderbolt379 on Monday, April 9, 2012 5:40 PM

Mike -- thanks for the info! That's the flat I spotted in stock at one of my local shops just recently, and I've been having generally good results from MM Acryls in the last six months. I'm starting to build up my collection with 14 colours in hand and several more on order. I use Tamiya acrylic thinner with them and it seems to be completely compatible -- what do you use to thin the clear? I've used a lot of Microscale Satin, and thin it with water, though I'm considering isopropyle to pull down the surface tension and smooth out the finish. I think I'll pick up a bottle of the Acryl Flat and give it a go, it would certainly be a way to beat the glossy decals problem. I usually use weathering pigments as the last round of work and have heard that overcoating with clear can cause clumping or a general change in their appearance, so haven't experimented in that direction so far. Again, thanks for the extensive info!

Andy -- Ogrejohn's T-34 is superb! I keep hearing about this "hairspray techmique" -- can you recommend any tutorials???

Cheers, Mike/TB379

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Posted by StreetFightingMan on Monday, April 9, 2012 7:51 PM

Thunderbolt379: Actually, I don't thin it. It may not be the best, but I've had a bad time trying to thin MM acryls, and I actually have had a lot of success straight from the bottle. I mainly use them for brush painting bits, but when I do spray them, they seem to work without the thinner. But I will try Tamiya thinner with them, maybe it will help even more.

-Mike

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Posted by deafpanzer on Monday, April 9, 2012 8:02 PM

ogrejohn

Bill, The only model I've done it on was this Tamiya T34. Mainly because if I screwed it up I wouldn't have much invested in it.

http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o75/JShown/000_0003-5.jpg

The wooden looking thing in the previous post was done pretty much the same. I took a piece of styrene and scribed in some grooves for boards and some wood grain. I brush painted it in various acrylic browns and a bit of dark gray. I helped speed up the drying by using a hairdryer.

http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o75/JShown/100_0029.jpg

Then I sprayed on some hairspray, TRESemme, with a couple of coats drying each in between with the hairdryer.

http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o75/JShown/100_0030.jpg

I airbrushed on some Tamiya Medium Blue and let that dry about 15 minutes.

http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o75/JShown/100_0033.jpg

Brush on some water on the surface and let that sit a bit then use a short bristle brush and go to work. Sometimes it comes off in bigger chunks.

http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o75/JShown/100_0034.jpg

You just got to play around with it some. A lot of it depends on how thick the hairspray coat is and how much paint you put on. I don't remember for sure but I don't think it took much more than an hour to do the whole process from start to finish on this little project. Hans is a figure I picked up that was in a blister pack already painted up. I used to put him in all my WIPs just for fun.

I'm really thinking about trying to do the hairspray whitewash on my Sturm I'm working on. Like I said, I've only done it on the T34 above.

Mike- I used John's toot he posted a while ago... it was not that hard I thought.  I noticed warmer water does better than cold water.  Another great picture of his T-34 but this time at closer shot. Yes Yes

Hope this helps....

Andy

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Posted by Thunderbolt379 on Monday, April 9, 2012 8:31 PM

Mike -- thanks! I've noticed the Acryls take only a small amount of thinner, 25% is my standard ratio, and I don't get too much bother with tip-drying. I'll pick up that clear next time I'm out that way.

Andy -- thanks for reposting the tute! I'm must interested, i've been wanting to do some winter schemes for a long time but could never find a technique that really appealed, but this one looks great! I might do a quick test project and investigate the "feel" of the process. I wanted to do a winter diorma of Russian armour, and this would be perfect...

Cheers, Mike/TB379

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Posted by armor86 on Tuesday, April 10, 2012 3:29 PM

deafpanzer - I used the same Fading Panzer Grey pigment - worked out great with the early Pz III Early J - local company brand 'ModelMakerZ' - Virginia or Maryland based ... they attended several local / regional IPMS / AMP events when I was out there early last year ... 

StreetFightingMan - Great looking 'E' was that newer DML / Dragon Smart Kit ... have same kit. Try taking pictures outside or near a large window on a overcast day ... or try out diffused lighting - I have bounced flash from ceilings ...

Still working on filling the seam with super glue, sanding ... Armor86

 


Dan

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Posted by StreetFightingMan on Tuesday, April 10, 2012 8:07 PM

armor86: Thanks! Actually, it's the cyberhobby kit. I just checked out that DML smart kit online, it looks like the Dragon Panzer III H I have in the stash, nicer than the cyberhobby release. The cyberhobby one was cheap, though, and gave me some good practice with Magic Tracks. I'm gonna experiment with less intense diffused light like you mentioned, and actually, I just saw a thing on making a good "housing" to take model photos in. Thanks for the advice!

-Mike

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Posted by armor86 on Tuesday, April 10, 2012 10:05 PM

deafpanzer - I had a question on how one gets the Group Build Badge after completing .... Armor86

 


Dan

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Posted by armor86 on Tuesday, April 10, 2012 10:20 PM

deafpanzer - never mind - figured out .... inside the profile settings. Armor86

 


Dan

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Posted by deafpanzer on Tuesday, April 10, 2012 10:33 PM

TB379- No worries!  You only owe John a Beer for the toot he posted last September. Wink  I have a StuG III Ausf B that I built two years ago and it wasn't the best so I am tempted to use it as second candidate to tune up my hairspray technique further more. Stick out tongue

armor86- Awesome about MIG Fading Panzer Grey.  I will give it a shot... glad you got it figured out how to add GB badge to your profile.  I have to tell you it looks great! LOL  Again, I really appreciate you stepping up to build second kit for this GB so we can close another gap.  

 

 

 

Andy

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Posted by JMart on Wednesday, April 11, 2012 12:40 PM

Hey guys… sorry I have been AWOL, usual combo of work/family/health reasons kept away for a bit.

Some great work in here and congrats on the finishes.

I will re-start work on Tamiya Ausf L soon. I was looking at my mini-stash of cyber-hobby kits and I have a  Ausf J Control Tank w Borgward (kit 6510). would that be another variant needed for this GB?

will post some pics next week, cheers all

 

 

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Posted by deafpanzer on Wednesday, April 11, 2012 2:31 PM

JMart- It is great having you back.  I was wondering about you when I reviewed the GB roster and hoped you would come back.  Glad you are doing good now.  Looking forward to your WIP on Tamiya Pz III L. 

If you want to do second build, that Ausf J Control with Borgward sounds like a fun build.  Tell you the truth I have no idea what it is about.  Control?  Maybe you can tell me more about it. 

Right now armor86 is doing Ausf J so that gap will be closed.  I am now concerned about Tauchpanzer III as we haven't heard from Phil H who signed up to build that variant.   

Guys- I will post updated roster to give everybody better idea which variants are still vacant.  So far it looks good to have all gaps filled... Dupes is thinking about doing Flammpanzer, I will do Pz III Ausf K and Hinksy can do StuG III C/D but he is looking to buy a good kit.  Maybe Dupes can help him out... I heard that his place is like a warehouse. Whistling

 

 

Andy

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Posted by deafpanzer on Wednesday, April 11, 2012 2:45 PM

Guys- Below is updated GB roster... lookin great so far and we still have three months left.  But I will extend the deadline for a month or two to allow us to close gaps.  No way I can finish my Pz III Ausf K by July... everybody knows how slow I build. Stick out tongue

Panzer III  Participants Done Started
Panzer III Ausf A,B,C,D      
Panzer III Ausf  E telsono, streetfightingman X  
Panzer III Ausf F  satch ip X  
Panzer III Ausf G  Tojo72, geist  XX  
Panzer III Ausf H  Phil H, stikpusher X  
Panzer III Ausf J Initial  armor86 X  
Panzer III Ausf J  Nachtflieger, armor86 (2nd)   X
Panzer III Ausf K deafpanzer (2nd)    
Panzer III Ausf L  MAJMike,DoogsATX,M1A1A2,carsanab,Jmart X  
Panzer III Ausf M  Shellback, BaBill12 XX  
Panzer III Ausf N  Hinksy (2nd), detailfreak (2nd), malone duke XX  
Variants      
Artillerie-Panzerbeobachtungswagen III  dupes X  
Bergepanzer III  detailfreak   X
Flammpanzer III  Dupes    
Minenraumer III      
Sturm-Infanteriegeschutz 33B  ogrejohn (2nd), bobbaily (2nd)  Hinksy X  
Sturmgeschutz III Ausf A  dupes (2nd) X  
Sturmgeschutz III Ausf B  Chazzer   X
Sturmgeschutz III Ausf C/D  Hinksy (3rd)    
Sturmgeschutz III Ausf E  bbrowniii X  
Sturmgeschutz III Ausf F  bobbaily, Chazzer   X
Sturmgeschutz III Ausf F/8  deafpanzer   X
Sturmgeschutz III Ausf G  Mjolner, AceHawkDriver, ogrejohn   X
Sturmgeschutz III Ausf G 10.5cm a.k.a. StuH Ausf G 10.5  Panzerwaffe, terry35  X  
Sturmgeschutlz Ausf G 42  Thunderbolt379   X
Soviet SU-76i   DaveB   X
Tauchpanzer III  Phil H    

I just noticed that Tauchpanzer III hasn't been started and I am trying to get hold of Phil H to see if he is still planning to build it or not.  Stay posted...

Andy

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